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[Carline]

Hi, everybody. I’m new in these forums and this is my first post.

I’m from Brazil, so please excuse me about any mistakes in my writing.

First of all, thanks Donald for this wonderful game.

In normal times, I play a lot of Dominion IRL with my friends. I never played online before this quarantine, but now it’s the solution.

Playing with the bots, I proposed myself this challenge: how many VPs can I do in a real game against them without the bots make any single point?

These are the rules of the challenge:

- Three players game, you against two bots
- You may choose the entire setup from all expansions: all kingdom cards, up to four landscape cards, colonies or not, shelters or not
- You may choose player's order
- You may restart the game until you have luckier draws on first 4 turns
- On scoring, the bots must end up with zero VPs or negative

The best I could do was this:



However, I think you, more advanced players than me, can do a lot better. I don’t know, maybe you already know an almost infinite loop you can line up before the bots get $8 in hand and buy a province. I’d like to see your results.

I will post later the cards and landscapes I used. By now, how many of them can you guess?

Thank you very much.

[bitwise]

Pretty amusing challenge!

I have an infinite solution here. I tried to make it as quick as possible in clicking time, but I made the mistake of using a ruins pile instead of a pile of all the same cards, which would have made it easier to click.

There's a quirk in the bots that makes it relatively easy to lock them -- as far as I know, they always discard to Torturer as long as there are curses left. So if you can play 3 a turn, they'll never take turns, then you can Witch them to make sure they get to negative points. After that, you get all the time in the world to do your combo, and there are infinite ones.

Here's a screenshot of mine:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643886239233081366/702629645656391720/Screen_Shot_2020-04-22_at_2.18.44_PM.png

[Carline]

Pretty amusing challenge!

I have an infinite solution here. I tried to make it as quick as possible in clicking time, but I made the mistake of using a ruins pile instead of a pile of all the same cards, which would have made it easier to click.

There's a quirk in the bots that makes it relatively easy to lock them -- as far as I know, they always discard to Torturer as long as there are curses left. So if you can play 3 a turn, they'll never take turns, then you can Witch them to make sure they get to negative points. After that, you get all the time in the world to do your combo, and there are infinite ones.

Here's a screenshot of mine:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643886239233081366/702629645656391720/Screen_Shot_2020-04-22_at_2.18.44_PM.png

Very nice job!

It’s cool how Way of the Horse makes the game infinite and at the same time prevents your deck from any clogged hand, even with a lot of terminals.

Did you ever use Stonemason and Apothecary or they aren’t part of your solution?

Since itīs easy to block the bots (Is there another way besides using Torturer?) and it removes time constraint, making the challenge almost equivalent to “how to make infinite VPs”, maybe we can add a new rule to it: you can’t pin the bots in a situation intrinsically useless.

[sudgy]

Couldn't you just give the bot a Junk Dealer?

[bitwise]

The apothecary was originally there because I know the bot can get locked opening potion chapel, and will end up having a deck of only chapel, one silver, one potion, and some apothecaries. They weren't doing it consistently and I was getting impatient waiting for them to trash all their estates so I went for the Torturer/Witch lock instead.

The stonemason is just there to build faster.

[majiponi]

Draw deck
Play 3 highway
loop:
Buy stonemason, overpay for two cavalry
Play 2 cavalry with +$1 token on it using way of the horse
Play stonemason with +Action token on it using way of the horse
Repeat loop

Generates infinite coins, buys, and actions. You can empty the piles and play them all the same turn.

Wow! Incredible! Maybe Talisman and Quarry makes this combo more practical...

3 Kingdom cards and the Way of the Horse create an almost-infinite loop. Practical as we use only 2 Expansions.

Kingdom: Cavalry, Quarry, Talisman
Landscape: Way of the Horse
Setup: Gain 2 Quarries and a Talisman.
Draw all.
Play 2 Quarries and a Talisman
Buy Cavalry (+1 Buy)
Play 2 Cavalries as Horse
Buy Copper, Cavalry
Play 2 Cavalries as Horse
Play 2 Coppers
Buy Talisman, Cavalry
Play 2 Cavalries as Horse
Play 2 Talismans
Buy Copper, Cavalry
Play 4 Cavalries as Horse
Play 4 Coppers
Buy Talisman, Cavalry
Play 4 Cavalries as Horse
Play 4 Talismans
Buy Silver, Cavalry
Play 8 Cavalries as Horse
...

Buying Coppers and Silvers lets you gain anything without Potion or Debt costing cards.

EDIT: See game #39881835. 17 piles are empty after the turn 3.

Maybe it works. Introduce Goons to earn infinite vps.