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Kirian's Bracket Week One
« on: March 21, 2012, 07:02:08 pm »
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Season of the Witch

This week we will all play matches dominated by Base Dominion.  Each match is seven total games.  Make sure that you set Isotropic's filter system to include exactly six cards chosen at random from the base set!

Please report your outcomes here; feel free to comment on your games.  Please have your match completed by 18:00 GMT Thursday, March 29.  Good luck and have fun!

Week One Match-ups:

Pacific Group:

Tmoiy vs. ednever 2-4-1
shark_bait vs. antony 2-5-0
DGHunter79 vs. Insomniac-X 5-0-2
O vs. Titandrake 6-1-0

Mountain Group

[MAD] Mergus vs. Yuma 4-2-1
Axxle vs. tlloyd 4-3-0
Jorbles vs. PerdHapley 5-2-0
coheed vs. Ignorantmen 2-4-1

Central Group:

BJ Penn vs. ninjabus 2-5-0
ebEliminator vs. mikemike 2-3-2
CarpeDeezNuts vs. A_S00 2-5-0
michaeljb vs. mnavratil 5-2-0

Eastern Group:

Mean Mr Mustard vs. ^_^_^_^ 6-1-0
rspeer vs. AHoppy 6-1-0
Brando Commando vs. Nicki Menagerie 4-3-0
RisingJaguar vs. greatexpectations 5-2-0

Bracket Results (and future weeks) are here:

http://challonge.com/kirianisodom1  (Pacific)
http://challonge.com/kirianisodom2  (Mountain)
http://challonge.com/kirianisodom3  (Central)
http://challonge.com/kirianisodom4  (Eastern)

Thread for Week 2 will be posted very soon.
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 07:30:46 pm »
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Big thanks for co-running this Kirian!
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 07:57:37 pm »
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My first reaction: "What? How'd I get signed up for this tournament"
...Then I remembered you're helping MMM with his tournament. Thanks!

Looking forward to this!
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 09:09:58 pm »
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For those wondering here are current rankings of players

Pacific: ednever: 27, gorgonstar, 30, shark_bait, 39  antony, 29, DGHunter79, 38  Insomniac-X 15, O, 37, Titandrake, 34 average 31

Mountain: [MAD] Mergus 33,  Yuma 28, Axxle, 33  tlloyd, 39 Jorbles, 32 PerdHapley, 39 coheed, 30, Ignorantmen (no rank) average 33 w/o ignorantmen's data 28 if assume he is 0

Central: BJ Penn 37  ninjabus 42, ebEliminiator (no rank) mikemike, 35, CarpeDeezNuts, 27 A_S00, 36 michaeljb, 35 mnavratil, 33 average 35 w/o ebEliminator's data, 30 if assume he is 0

East: Mean Mr Mustard 38 ^_^_^_^ 24, rspeer 29 AHoppy 3,  Brando Commando 29, Nicki Menagerie 22 RisingJaguar, 45 greatexpectations 36 average average 28

I couldn't find any info on ebEliminiator or Ignorantmen
Groups look pretty evenly split. Can't wait to play with a lot of great players
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2012, 09:16:09 pm »
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For those wondering here are current rankings of players

Pacific: ednever: 27, gorgonstar, 30, shark_bait, 39  antony, 29, DGHunter79, 38  Insomniac-X 15, O, 37, Titandrake, 34 average 31

Mountain: [MAD] Mergus 33,  Yuma 28, Axxle, 33  tlloyd, 39 Jorbles, 32 PerdHapley, 39 coheed, 30, Ignorantmen (no rank) average 33 w/o ignorantmen's data 28 if assume he is 0

Central: BJ Penn 37  ninjabus 42, ebEliminiator (no rank) mikemike, 35, CarpeDeezNuts, 27 A_S00, 36 michaeljb, 35 mnavratil, 33 average 35 w/o ebEliminator's data, 30 if assume he is 0

East: Mean Mr Mustard 38 ^_^_^_^ 24, rspeer 29 AHoppy 3,  Brando Commando 29, Nicki Menagerie 22 RisingJaguar, 45 greatexpectations 36 average average 28

I couldn't find any info on ebEliminiator or Ignorantmen
Groups look pretty evenly split. Can't wait to play with a lot of great players
ebEliminator is level 18, kirian had an extra I in his name :)
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 10:59:52 pm »
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ebEliminator is level 18, kirian had an extra I in his name :)

And fixed.

According to the sign-up point, the other missing name is Ignorentmen, but s/he also has no record.  Forum username is ignorentmen.  Coheed, let me know if you have trouble contacting him/her.
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 11:04:43 pm »
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He pmed me and told me he's new to isotropic. We're scheduled to play on Friday so everything's all set! Thanks for helping organize this, kirian it's going to be a lot of fun!

I'm a little unsure of how to set up the games.. do we do "from 6 to 6 cards with tag set=base" for all 7 games?
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2012, 12:25:14 am »
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I'm a little unsure of how to set up the games.. do we do "from 6 to 6 cards with tag set=base" for all 7 games?

That's correct.  As in MMM's thread, point counter highly encouraged.
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2012, 12:28:30 pm »
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michaeljb earns 10 points, mnavratil earns 4. Annotated videos to come. Thanks to mnavratil for the match, it was good fun and good competition, and I think I got lucky with a couple oddball moves (like opening Mint game 1, going Cellar/Adventurer/Tunnel in game 7). And thanks to MMM and Kirian for organizing and running this!

Game 1
michaeljb 45-31 mnavratil

Game 2
mnavratil 24-39 michaeljb

Game 3
mnavratil 20-44 michaeljb

Game 4
mnavratil 28-18 michaeljb

Game 5
michaeljb 52-41 mnavratil

Game 6
mnavratil 57-55 michaeljb

Game 7
michaeljb 48-45 mnavratil
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2012, 05:16:51 pm »
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Thanks for the games michaeljib.
I didn't think luck played too big of an overall part (okay, maybe some bad timing in my draws on that IGG/Mountebank affair in game 3), but otherwise I got the feeling that I was being outplayed rather than getting bad luck. I actually did like that Mint/Embargo opening on game 1 though. Nice bold way to start a series.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2012, 09:50:34 pm »
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I don't know if any of my messages to Ninjabus went through, because they aren't showing up in my "sent messages". If not, tonight at 9 pm works fine.
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2012, 10:06:06 pm »
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Brando Commando gets 8 tournie points, Nicki Menagerie get 6 tournie points.

NM was a gracious opponent and played very well; ultimately there were very few buys of his (hers?) that I disagreed with.

I missed the first two games, which Nicki Menagerie won, but here are the rest

BC wins game 3: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-182508-f9fb701c.html

BC wins game 4: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-182508-f9fb701c.html

BC wins game 5: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-183057-ce4ab691.html

NM wins game 6: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-185032-ad471c0b.html

BC wins game 7: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-190042-59b1c89b.html
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2012, 10:27:34 pm »
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Jorbles takes the series winning 5 games (10 points) over PerdHapley's 2 (4 points).

Game 1 - PerdHapley 39 -  Jorbles 24
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-180422-5f0fadad.html

This one was basically a blowout. perdhapley opened Witch/Chapel to my Silver/Silver plus he had first turn advantage. I played on, but there probably wasn't much I could have done to turn it around.

Game 2 - Jorbles 61 - PerdHapley 45
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-181222-a9e934ca.html

An interesting BigMoneyish game in which Gardens came into play. The big difference between our two decks was that I had 2 Golds to his 1 Gold and he went a bit heavier into Border Villages (usually with a Festival) to get more cards faster. There was only Labs for draw though and neither of us bought them over Festivals. So my extra Gold paid off and we split the Provinces 5/3 in my favour. There was a fair amount of Duchy and Garden dancing going on in this game and tactically we both played pretty well.

Game 3 - Jorbles 39 - PerdHapley 32
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-181822-723f566a.html

We both make the mistake of opening Militia on a board with Library, so it ends up hurting us equally. Aside from that just a BMU mirror match. I broke PPR at the end because I figured my Merchant Ship would help me hit $8 two turns in a row (it did), Perd had some bad luck and hit $7 and had to settle for a Duchy.

Game 4 - Jorbles 43 - PerdHapley 33
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-182538-cc0e5bb1.html

A game where Vaults, Margraves and Militia rule the board. Not really sure what decided it we seemed to be playing similar games. Looking at the deck construction he had a few more actions than me so maybe he was suffering from terminal collision. The game goes long with a lot of Duchy dancing at the end. In the end perd realized he was drawing dead and Remodelled a Province into a Province to end it.

Game 5 - Jorbles 43 - PerdHapley 32
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-183300-706f971d.html

I open Moneylender anticipating his eventual picking up of an Ambassador so I can trash the Coppers he puts in my deck for some benefit. We both end up getting an Ambassador each. He opens with a Remake, which doesn't seem great with Ambassador as it reduces your own handsize and tends to get rid of cards you want to send to your opponent. Aside from that the other interesting interaction on the board that we both tried to take advantage of was the Library/Festival combo. I think the Moneylender had the greatest effect on the game and let me build my economy up faster than his.

Game 6 - PerdHapley 35 - Jorbles 22
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-184330-f04116fc.html

I was really sad to see this board and not have Gardens on it (Workshop/Thief/Crossroads/Ironworks/Bureaucrat were the cards costing $4 or less). Anyways it was a Torturer game, PerdHapley got his Torturer engine off the ground way quicker than me and he was smart enough to dip into a Festival allowing him multiple buys in the late game. He played this game perfectly, and I didn't have much of a chance.

Game 7 - Jorbles 36 - PerdHapley 18
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/22/game-20120322-185348-a61ec4b5.html
A three-piler where Villages, Curses and Platinums (!) ran out. I thought this was the most interesting game in the match. We both open Militia/Swindler, but he quickly picks up a Potion for Universities, I end up getting a good opportunity to buy a Mint to clear out 3 Coppers from my deck, which combined with Mine really accelerates the amount of Platinums I pick up, Swindlers also accelerate their disappearance. I've got a big enough lead (2 Colonies) by the time Platinums run out that I just buy up the last Villages and Curses winning the game.

Thanks to PerdHapley for some great matches! He is a great player.
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2012, 10:40:48 pm »
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2012, 10:44:06 pm »
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Please post the scores for your games in the thread and not just the links!  Very helpful for me. :)
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« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2012, 12:03:14 am »
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Some quick comments on my games with Jorbles:

#1 - Nothing to see here. Witch/Chapel followed up with that almost perfect turn 3 draw was just dumb luck.

#2 - And so begins the stretch of games in which Jorbles is consistently one step ahead of me. I fell into a Gardens trap based off the allure of BV/Festival fattening the deck, and was stuck watching helplessly while Jorbles hit Province after Province. Whoops! Totally outplayed here.

#3 - I believe the last couple turns here put me on tilt a bit for the rest of the series. Jorbles timing with the PPR here, one turn following it and the next turn breaking it, was absolutely perfect.

#4 - I think I went overboard on Vaults and Margraves here, but only slightly - replace one (probably the second margrave) with a Gold and I think I might've pulled this one out. It certainly felt close... until it didn't. The Remodel business at the end was basically just a desperate attempt to draw perfect and pull out a double province turn.

#5 - I agree with the Moneylender assessment here, and think I just shouldn't have bothered with Ambassador at all. Nevertheless, I felt pretty confident in the early going. This game was a toss up at the end, as evidenced by the hand I would've drawn had I gotten one last turn. My plan here was good, I think, but I made some mistakes towards the end.

#6 - Not much to say here either. Step one: play a bunch of Torturers, step two: throw in a + buy, step 3: time Inn purchases to keep the torture chain going strong.

#7 - ...Please don't judge me for this one, guys. I played this absolutely terribly, in stark  contrast to Jorbles, whose plan made sense and was well executed. I honestly don't know what I was thinking even considering University here, and as the game went on and I became more disgusted with the non-strategy I'd picked, my buys might as well have been random.

Jorbles played excellently throughout this set, and his 5-2 victory is even more impressive when you consider how totally screwed he was by pure shuffle luck in game one. Thanks for being such a friendly opponent, Jorbles!
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« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2012, 07:56:19 am »
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Kirian you should edit the part of your first post where it states to use AT LEAST 6 cards from the original set.. This is what confused me because in MMM's rules thread it states: "2) Exactly 6 cards, chosen at random, in each game must belong to the current week's expansion, using the excellent option to filter cards in Isotropic."
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« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2012, 09:16:59 am »
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Kirian you should edit the part of your first post where it states to use AT LEAST 6 cards from the original set.. This is what confused me because in MMM's rules thread it states: "2) Exactly 6 cards, chosen at random, in each game must belong to the current week's expansion, using the excellent option to filter cards in Isotropic."

Done!  Thank you for noticing!
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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2012, 05:20:27 pm »
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Just had a nice series against Yuma. Thanks for the games!

Overall score: Mergus wins 4, Yuma wins 2, Ties 1

Here are the logs
Mergus 46 - Yuma 36
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-130657-d4a88aaa.html

Mountebank game with Harems and Alchemist. Didn't feel much like base Dominion yet.


Yuma 24 - Mergus 24 (TIE)
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-131246-9d3c00df.html

His Watchtower/Chapel works just as well as my Silver/Chapel.


Yuma 19 - Mergus 25
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-131933-8fa07eac.html

Workshop-Gardens game, Yuma opens Nomad Village leading to a 5-3 Garden split in my favor.


Yuma 26 - Mergus 31
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-132737-e235910a.html

We both figure that Hamlet can be a nice addition to Jack of all Trades, accidentally through my 5-2 split.


Yuma 42 - Mergus 33
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-133546-a5c5e5fc.html

Witch game with split curses and split labs. He managed to pick up one more Gold which helps him get 5 Provinces.


Mergus 34 - yuma 19
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-134900-23072863.html

The most fun game of the series from my point of view. Chapel and Witch and he gets 5-2. I try Chapel/Worker's Village to get Peddlers which turns out very well.


Yuma 36 - Mergus 24
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-140403-0239efff.html

I'm still too excited about the Peddlers from last game. Also thinking they'd be a good counter to Saboteur. He just goes double Councilroom and big money, beating my mass Spies.
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2012, 06:11:28 pm »
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Finished my games vs Ignorantmen

Final result: Coheed wins 2, Ignorantmen wins 4, 1 tie

Game 1: Coheed(54) Ignorantmen(55)http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-140510-46e39ded.html

Yucky board.. I felt margrave BM would be dominant so I picked up an early horse traders. He chose to steal some early duchies which I let him do and I decided I'll get golds and eventually block out a few duchies to stop him from getting super powered dukes. I wasn't really able to get enough provinces and I chose to try to fight him on the dukes even though I lost the duchy split 5/3. VERY close coming towards the end and I chose to end the game on a 3 pile thinking I'd have enough cards to boost my gardens but I was ONE CARD SHORT!

Game 2: Coheed (33) Ignorantmen(33) http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-141126-526a5919.html

Another yucky board with no engine possibilities.. From the start I knew it was going to be a BM game with a few remodels for extra VPs later on. With 2 provinces left and me losing by 6 I took a risk and broke PPR in hopes he wouldn't be able to buyout the last province. He chose to end the game in a tie by remodeling his province.

Game 3: Coheed (13) Ignorantmen(17) http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-141348-7a258463.html

Gardens workshop.. enough said. I HATE Gardens games because they always come down to luck.
He won the split 5/3 and it was basically over from there.

Game 4: Coheed(24) Ignorantmen(34) http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-141911-fa17f58c.html

Pretty tricky board.. Lots of different strat possibilities. We both decided to just ignore the familiar because of the masquerade on the board. He opened Masq/silver and I decided to go chapel/silver. I don't really know what I was thinking with my explorer pickup but I think it was AWFUL. Chapel proved to be too slow for this board as he built up a deck with superior buying power compared to mine.

Game 5: Coheed (27) Ignorantmen(35) http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-142434-02d4480b.html

Once again, no engine possibilities. I noticed heavy cursers with witch and IGG so I decided not to get a militia cause I feel its discarding ability is weakened since we both will easily be able to shake off the attack with our curses. I felt he got a pretty lucky draw since he was able to buy Witch and IGG on turn 3/4. It came down to who could buy more provinces in the end which was obviously him since I lost the curse split 7/3.

Game 6: Coheed(36) Ignorantmen(23) http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-143303-f54dcaef.html

FINALLY!! an engine board! I immediately saw my favorite card, tactician and some nice +$ actions to pair with it so I went for a double tactician engine. I couldn't really hit it that consistently because there was a lack of draw. He built an early VP lead and I was starting to get scared that the game would become out of reach and I still wasn't finished building my engine. I started getting some menageries fast to try and get some drawing power in my deck and from then on I was able to buy province after province to get my first victory in the match.

Game 7: Coheed(31) Ignorantmen(28) http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-143906-d3478cb3.html

Another juicy double tactician board. I built my deck wrong early and had some trouble getting 5$ early on. I got cellar REALLY late too which was a big mistake because it's a great card in a tactician engine. I find it a little funny that the only 2 games I win are with my favorite card, I guess it pulled through for me.

Ignorantmen is a very strong player and I think he's going to fit in nicely with the community. I hope to play him again sometime soon!
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2012, 10:34:34 pm »
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My thoughts on the games against Mergus:

Game one: I felt the biggest differences in this game were Mergus' getting 3 Alchemists to my one and him getting his second Mountebank earlier, turn five compared to turn 9. Still the curses ended up being split. I also bought two thieves hoping to 1. prevent him buying Harems and 2. if he did to steal them. That ended up not working.

Game two: I forgot that Chapel was my goal when I bought Watchtower. But I decided to try something new and get Chapel anyways. The two worked surprisingly well together. Mostly cause I didn't draw them together until turn 12. That was probably a bit lucky. My biggest mistake in this game was buying Militia that I never used instead of an estate in the late game (turn 10). That could have been a difference maker.

Game three: Workshop beat Nomad Camp at its best (I was able to open N.C., Festival) I can only wonder how it would have faired if I hadn't gotten lucky there.

Game four: I couldn't see anything else to do but standard double jack even though it was boring. If it had been a non tournament game I would have tried something more interesting but I was trying to win! That was a mistake as Hamlet/Council Room addition turned out to be a good addition. Interesting thing about Council Room is that it effectively nullfies the opponent's Jack draw... Hadn't thought of that before.

Game five: I finally win one. I think my experience playing against computer's on the Iphone app finally paid off as I basically play a Base game as the other cards didn't do much for me.

Game six: I went through a couple of emotional phases in this game. First glee at getting a 5/2 split with Witch and Chapel, second frustration that my witch and chapel kept coming up with each other, 3. fear as I saw Mergus going for Peddlers very successfully and 4. awe as I saw him demolish me with great strategy. Phew that was a rough game for me.

Game seven: We had talked early about how Mergus totally hates Saboteur and I opted to not buy one mostly because he had been such a nice opponent thus far. Turns out 2 Council Rooms were pretty good in that situation especially with all his spies. I was able to play one just about every turn.

Mergus is a quality opponent, play against him if you get a chance.
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2012, 11:42:27 pm »
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Result: Axxle 4 - tlloyd 3
So, Axxle earns 8 points, tlloyd earns 6

Game 1: Axxle 32 - tlloyd 30 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-194324-4bed7073.html
A chapel game, I go for Fool's Gold and tlloyd goes for big money with lab support, taking some of my FG's when he can.  I take this one although it's close.

Game 2: Axxle 38 - tlloyd 31 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-195025-323782d2.html
I go BM+Council Room with one Hoard, tlloyd pile drives the city pile but can't quite get a mega turn in time.

Game 3: Axxle ? - tlloyd ? lost log
I remember opening jester/cellar, and there being hunting parties.  tlloyd wins this one

Game 4: Axxle 27 - tlloyd 37 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-200054-9984d5d2.html
I get a 5-2 split, but open vault with militia on the board.  things don't go so well from there.

Game 5: Axxle 33 - tlloyd 35 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-200752-4badfad0.html
A game with minion and witch without good trashers.  I make a fatal mistake by needlessly trashing my opening mining village and tlloyd gets a majority of the minions. I also made the mistake of getting duchies instead of silk roads when we started doing rushes of piles.

Game 6: Axxle 46 - tlloyd 24 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-201619-7e585732.html
tlloyd tries to do something funny with border village/council room/treasure map but that doesnt really get off the ground till the end.  His council rooms let me line up my remodel and border villages a few times.

Game 7: Axxle 43 - tlloyd 42 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/23/game-20120323-202457-cad83d2f.html
Again I have 5/2.  I open tactician and he makes it a priority to get one too.  I think my scheme was very important here since it let me replay my tac immediately a few times.  tlloyd made the mistake of ignoring the estates twice too many times and let me squeak by at the end.

I had a good amount of luck these games.  I open 5/2 a lot and tlloyd did just once.  I think I needed the luck a lot more than he did knowing his skill and seeing it in action again.  Thanks for the games tlloyd, and good luck in the tournament!
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2012, 04:16:56 am »
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I had a good amount of luck these games.  I open 5/2 a lot and tlloyd did just once.  I think I needed the luck a lot more than he did knowing his skill and seeing it in action again.  Thanks for the games tlloyd, and good luck in the tournament!

These were all great games, and I don't think luck had much to do with the outcome. In games 1-6 the winner just had a better strategy. Game 7 was a toss-up at the end, and I'm not sure buying those estates would have given me better odds of winning, even though that seems to have made the difference in hindsight. I hope all the other rounds are as competitive as this one was -- though it'd be nice to win game 7!
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2012, 04:16:50 pm »
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First off I want to say what a great set up this is. I am new to isotropic and this forum.  I have read somewhat from the blog that ?theory? writes. Amazing stuff especially since it is all fan based and volunteer. Just wow!

My thoughts on the games, Coheed was a great player and introduced me to some newer terms and lingo that I hadn't fully heard of before, such as the term engine--I understood the practice but never heard of it it described as such.

Anyway, onto the games!

1. Ever since I bought Intrigue I have liked playing with Dukes. Alternate green cards are some of my favorites. I think I might have been helped more by one more HT or Margrave instead of just one each. My hope was to get one more HT in the midst of my Duchy/Duke rush the first time I got 4$ but that never came up. I only hit $3 and $5. By the time I did hit some $4 we were garden rushing.  Interesting note that I could have won and ended the game my second to last turn buying the last garden, 52 to 51 instead I opted to buy a province letting Coheed have the last garden. That was nearly fatal.

2. Pretty basic game. I started 5/2 and herbalist helped me out a couple times putting golds back on top. But Coheed battled well with a remodel/lab strat. I felt I had no choice but to tie it by remodeling the last province and buying an estate. I was pretty sure I would be able to win this one, but Coheed played well.

3. We flew through a garden rush. I think the key here was on turn 4 I bought a garden while Coheed bought another workshop. From there I was at least +1 gardens the rest of the way. Not the funnest game but at least it was fast. 11 turns each.

4. This was a good, interesting set...I opted to ignore Chapel and Familiar--things I almost never do--for Masquerade/Apprentice. I was able to get a small lead and once trashed a province to keep things rolling. I felt good about my strategy throughout despite a second market pickup that I really didn't want...

5. I love cursing games and this was no exception. I was very lucky getting $5s for witch and IGG on turn 3 & 4. My militia buy was mostly to prevent him from getting an early witch, which didn't work too great as he bought his on turn 5 a turn where I had played my militia. But it ended up helping me have some extra cash when I needed it. The end game got pretty ugly with estates and duchy buying furthering the clutter caused by curses, IGG and coppers.

6 & 7. I mentioned to Coheed that the only set I don't own is Seaside. This was evidenced by my poor play with Tactician. Coheed introduced me to the idea of a double-tactician engine, which he said didn't work perfectly in these games--but still wow! I was blown away. Game 6 was a blowout, but I felt I was a little more competitive in game 7.  Whomever gets to play against me during the Seaside round should be in for a treat. I am not too great with those cards....

Thanks for the games and I look forward to the rest.
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2012, 04:02:14 pm »
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NinjaBus wins 5-2 against me. (10-4 in points)

I just typed up a long review of each game, but I wasn't logged in and I lost it all  :-[.

I'll put the game logs up tomorrow.
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2012, 09:56:25 pm »
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A_S00 5 (10 points) - CarpeDeezNuts 2 (4 points)

Thoughts:

Game 1: A_S00 (34) < CarpeDeezNuts (36) - I greened too early, and it didn't occur to me until too late that with Moneylender as a big part of my income and no +Buy, I was going to run out of Copper.  Consequently, I stalled.

Game 2: A_S00 (10) < CarpeDeezNuts (52) - I tried to get fancy with Scheme/TR/Thief, thinking I could keep my opponent from hitting the critical mass of non-Copper money it would take to get to Grand Markets (the only +$ on the board).  Turns out I couldn't.

Game 3: A_S00 (31) > CarpeDeezNuts (27) - Despite some terminal collisions after a Chapel buy of questionable wisdom, turns out a 5/2 split with Council Room in play is just too strong on a money board.

Game 4: CarpeDeezNuts (65) < A_S00 (68) - A real nail-biter.  We both went Lab+money, and I picked up a Remodel to go with it, while he grabbed a Conspirator.  I think Conspirator was probably the better choice, as he was ahead for most of the game.  I was in desperate green-rush mode at the end of the game, and I was honestly pretty surprised when I pulled it out.  I think slightly earlier greening by my opponent would have sealed the deal.

Game 5: CarpeDeezNuts (37) < A_S00 (44) - A Familiar board with a couple twists.  I credit my Bishop with the win.

Game 6: CarpeDeezNuts (24) < A_S00 (39) - This just in:  Jack is pretty good.  Also, turns out to synergize decently with the Remodel and Gain functions of Governor.

Game 7: CarpeDeezNuts (17) < A_S00 (40) - With a Sea Hag and a Witch early against an opponent who only picked up a Sea Hag on turn 3, I won the Curse war 7-3, then sailed through the rest of the game fairly comfortably.  I really think my opponent should have picked up Witch instead of Governor with his 5/2 split.

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Fun games overall, if mostly fairly straightforward (base set and all).  Thanks to CarpeDeezNuts for playing!
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2012, 11:12:51 pm »
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RisingJaguar 10pts - greatexpectations 4pts

Base influenced sets aren't the most exciting to an engine player, but we had some really great games.

Game 1: GE 27 - RJ 30 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-175716-d5ce670d.html
By far the most interesting game, so I saw some sort of engine-y thing with Inn and card drawers, BM-Envoy, BM-Margrave.  I settled on Margrave because I actually considered transitioning into engine if my early draws led me that way.  Then I saw him buy a bridge, then start to buy silver/moat, extra coppers and I knew it was gardens.  I then have to slightly adjust my game to get gardens.  I barely get enough to be able to finish the game off on 3-piles.  I think he uses Inn very well in this game.

Game 2: GE 28 - RJ 36 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-180507-ebad62c7.html
It's odd because I miss my $5 on T3/T4 yet I win the curse battle, not sure what just happened.  Libraries essentially carries me all the way to victory.   I really wanted to buy the last city to get level 3 cities.  But as i was behind, he could've bought out the last 3 FV and I would've lost. 

Game 3: GE 10 - RJ 48 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-181343-c5a56a62.html
Tournament match with a chapel.  I get the early tournament and stops his strategy VERY quickly to a blowout.  It's not as bad as it seems but I will say that tournament games need to get to province quickly.  GE spent too much time getting to a small deck.  Although if his was fast enough, he would've had an interesting throne room/bridge set up. 

Game 4: GE 48 - RJ 38 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-182507-22ad5aad.html
GE goes for an envoy-BM set up, and I should've too but I try to get fancy with an engine.  It really struggles here but I think I play the end game near optimally.  With 2 provinces left, I clear out all other VP cards to ensure I win with the last two provinces (as opposed to just tying).  I manage to do that and get province #7 but not the last one. 

Game 5: RJ 44 - GE 35 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-183856-74466cd2.html
A lot of usable cards that are just good.  So engines are kinda build here.  Greatexpectation starts greenly really early, using remodel to trash pretty fast.  I get really bad draws in T10-T13.  He gets one on his last turn. 

Game 6-7 are dominated by witch... you can look yourself.

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-184934-7f5e26ed.html
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-185859-35584a29.html

Overall a very fun set, for the first few games.  Thing I learned, witch changes games...
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2012, 11:22:07 pm »
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Mustard defeats ^_^_^_^ 6-1 (12-2)

Game 1 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-190742-eb460ded.html

In the first game I opened 5/2 and had some choices.  I decided to grab a Upgrade first, since it is one of the best openers.  There was an option to go BM-Wharf, which my opponent chose to try, but I felt that I could end the game faster with some Labs and some treasure.  I picked up Chancellor rather early, which surprised my opponent.  I like this card in games with non-terminal draw!  It helps in a situation like this because it gets those Labs into play faster and helps accelerate the Upgrade (if you use Chancellor properly, anyway).  At any rate, it worked.  Mustard 42-32.

Game 2 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-191505-eb8b6f8b.html

The general rule (mine, anyway) is open Chapel or not at all.  I broke that rule.  Instead, I opened Smithy/Silver with the hopes of having a good Mint buy, and it worked.  I was able to Mint away 6 Coppers very early, chapel the Estates and add lots and lots of Golds.  We danced around the Gardens and Duchies in the end, but I was staying >6 up and was never in danger.  Mustard 51-40.

Game 3 http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120325-192349-232804e2.html

My opponent opts out of Witches.  Mustard 46 - -100.

Game 4 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-193909-3939faa4.html

This was a complete mess.  Looking at all the attacks I overbuy Moat (isn't buying one Moat overbuying?  How about four or five?)  I get lucky and duck quite a few KC'd Swindlers.  At one point in the mid-game I was tempted to resign.  Somehow I get very lucky and win.  Mustard 31-28.

Game 5 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-194741-6ea2a5a1.html

My opponent opens Witch, I get mine later but it misses the reshuffle.  Game over.  ^_^_^_^ 33 -21

Game 6-7 http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-195448-e0d0a2d9.html

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/25/game-20120325-200226-749aae76.html

My opponent tilts and resigns both games prematurely.  He had a chance in both games.  I hope he doesn't lose heart and drop from the tourney.
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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2012, 12:08:14 am »
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a few quick comments on my set with RisingJaguar...

as he pointed out in his comments, base doesn't really encourage engine building. i thought that gave me some good odds, as RJ struck me as an engine player whereas i typically lean towards BM. in the end though, you just can't make mistakes against a top 10 player.

game 1 -  easily the most interesting set of the series.  i go gardens from the start, and he wises up to it and adjusts beautifully. i should have grabbed a second margrave or an envoy earlier, but i didn't want to lose the garden split.

game 3 - i'm reminded of the anchorman scene - "boy that escalated quickly". i decide to thin instead of buying gold turn 7. it sets me back a turn and that was gg.  he gets steed and followers turn 9 and my tournaments are all blocked from turn 9 on.

game 5 - a noob's dream board - 4 different villages, throne room, and smithy. i greened earlier and twice considered remodeling my own provinces.  on second view it might have been worth it to take the game to RJ a bit.

games 6/7 - as RJ said, kind of boring.  both boards were 5/2 with witches and the winner of the curse split (1p) coasted.
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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2012, 02:23:38 pm »
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Is it cool to get in touch with our next round opponent and work out a time to play after the 29th?
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« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2012, 03:38:17 pm »
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Is it cool to get in touch with our next round opponent and work out a time to play after the 29th?

Oh, most certainly!
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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2012, 04:17:15 pm »
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A_S00 5 (10 points) - CarpeDeezNuts 2 (4 points)

Thoughts:

Game 1: A_S00 (34) < CarpeDeezNuts (36) - I greened too early, and it didn't occur to me until too late that with Moneylender as a big part of my income and no +Buy, I was going to run out of Copper.  Consequently, I stalled.

Game 2: A_S00 (10) < CarpeDeezNuts (52) - I tried to get fancy with Scheme/TR/Thief, thinking I could keep my opponent from hitting the critical mass of non-Copper money it would take to get to Grand Markets (the only +$ on the board).  Turns out I couldn't.

Game 3: A_S00 (31) > CarpeDeezNuts (27) - Despite some terminal collisions after a Chapel buy of questionable wisdom, turns out a 5/2 split with Council Room in play is just too strong on a money board.

Game 4: CarpeDeezNuts (65) < A_S00 (68) - A real nail-biter.  We both went Lab+money, and I picked up a Remodel to go with it, while he grabbed a Conspirator.  I think Conspirator was probably the better choice, as he was ahead for most of the game.  I was in desperate green-rush mode at the end of the game, and I was honestly pretty surprised when I pulled it out.  I think slightly earlier greening by my opponent would have sealed the deal.

Game 5: CarpeDeezNuts (37) < A_S00 (44) - A Familiar board with a couple twists.  I credit my Bishop with the win.

Game 6: CarpeDeezNuts (24) < A_S00 (39) - This just in:  Jack is pretty good.  Also, turns out to synergize decently with the Remodel and Gain functions of Governor.

Game 7: CarpeDeezNuts (17) < A_S00 (40) - With a Sea Hag and a Witch early against an opponent who only picked up a Sea Hag on turn 3, I won the Curse war 7-3, then sailed through the rest of the game fairly comfortably.  I really think my opponent should have picked up Witch instead of Governor with his 5/2 split.

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Fun games overall, if mostly fairly straightforward (base set and all).  Thanks to CarpeDeezNuts for playing!

My brief thoughts about the match.

Game 1 - He ran out of copper to crush. I win.

Game 2 - I was able to buy all the Grand Markets. I win.

Game 3 - And this is where my incompetence in dominion begins to show. I go double Bureaucrat (one of my favorite cards, I do realize it is awful) on a money board with Council Room. I lose.

Game 4 - I should have bought provinces on hands that i pissed away on labs. I lose.

Game 5 - I neglect Bishop like a scrub. I lose.

Game 6 - The idea here was for me to get a good amount of governors, and be able to draw my deck well enough to be able to hit the militia and negate the council room drawing effect for the opponent. I also made a couple misplays somewhere near the end with the governor trashing effect that would have made the final result closer. Simple put, I cant figure governor out. I feel as though it is a very difficult card to play correctly. And jack is good. I lose.

Game 7 - I neglect witch like a scrub. I lose.


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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2012, 01:06:31 am »
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Tmoiy and I just finished our first round (Special thanks to Tmoiy for stepping in when my original competitor dropped out earlier this week).
Final results: Tmoiy 2 wins, 1 tie (5 points). ednever 4 wins, 1 tie (9 points)

Here are the games (with commentary):

Game One: T 28 - E 44
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/26/game-20120326-201819-f632effa.html

We both opened Horse Traders / Silver. I picked up a lucky gold, then we both moved into double witches. That gold plus some lucky landings of the witch (I win the curses 6-4) makes all the difference. I use my time to pick up a bunch of Nobles which puts me far enough ahead that T couldn't catch up. Just bad luck for T with both of us playing the same strategy.


Game 2: T 26 - E 44
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/26/game-20120326-202617-b2e0b8d2.html

Our first Chapel game – mixed with a little Horde. Tmoiy got unlucky again. My chapel hit with 1 copper, 3 estates. I picked up a couple of early hordes and pretty soon I was had a half dozen gold in small deck. I picked up one market for the extra buy, but never used it. Meanwhile Tmoiy picked up the chapel on hand 5 with both silvers and could only kill two copper. Hard to come back from that.


Game 3: T 23 - E 14
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/26/game-20120326-203817-f9351ec9.html

Classic Gardens/Ironworks. We split the gardens and the ironworks, but T's first player and a little luck put him well over the top


Game 4: T 22 - E 19
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/26/game-20120326-205013-31d01e05.html

We were both swearing a little at this game - Gardens again, this time with Workshop. I think T said something like "Gotta love the basic set" after seeing these two games in a row. But if game 3 was luck, this time T outplayed me. I had first player advantage, we split the gardens. I had slightly more cards that T did, but he picked up a dutchy. I was almost able to end it before he hit 30 cards, but when I didn't it was just gg.


Game 5: T 42 - E 66
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/26/game-20120326-210213-37c87c19.html

More gardens, but this time no facilitator. Also Duke - so a fair amount of alternative VP. I pick up Feast/Silver for lack of a better option. T breaks with tradition of us opening identical and goes Smithy/Silver. My first thought is he's going big money, but instead he picks up an apprentice, another smithy and some labs (and gold). By turn 12 he has two provinces and I draw "7". I realize his engine is going faster than mine, so I make a quick decision to leave him all of the provinces - I am going to start a duchy rush on turn 12 and pick up my first one (good this, he picks up his third province immediately after that). T uses his Apprentice to kill a province and pick up another one. Only four left now. I'm glad I made my call. I pick up a few more duchies before T figures out what I'm doing. We split the duchies 5/3 thanks to my council room +1 buy. From there we run down the Dukes and the Gardens. The point counter helps a ton for figuring out where I stood, and as soon as I got ahead I dipped back into the provinces. This was a fun game.


Game 6: T - 19 - E -19
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/26/game-20120326-211707-02b29820.html

Another chapel game. We make identical openings (Bureaucrat/Chapel). I think we both thought we could reduce the effectiveness of the other's chapel by making the estates go away (and picking up silvers as we killed our coppers). T's works better off the start forcing me to keep estates while he transitions into Witch/Scheme and then Venture (which is great when you only have silver and gold in your deck). I don't draw the money to follow him. I do Witch/Scheme and supplement with villages to better utilize the witch drawing power. Then we both pick up forges. I'm a little ahead as we trade provinces (T sneaks in a Duchy). Then T breaks the PPR to get 1 point ahead. Unfortunately I can't buy a province, so I forge a province into a province to kill the last one and pick up an estate for the tie. The best game we have so far, and totally appropriate for us to tie.


Game 7: T 27 - E 34
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/26/game-20120326-212502-4cc7d225.html

Weird set of cards. No extra actions and the only attacks Ghist Ship and Thief. GH doesn't work very well if you can't play it every turn, so my best idea was to pick up a double moneylender to kill my coppers, then pick up a Vault. I figured a few golds and silvers with Vault and I would be cruising - and with Vault I could always discard the Moneylenders  if I drew them together. I couldn't figure out T's strategy at the time but when he explained afterwards it made a lot of sense. We was picking up oasis with the plan to combine with the library. Unfortunately he got caught up in a gold rush when he kept drawing 6's and only ever found time to get a single library and 2 oasis (but 4 gold). My vault plan better than I hoped and I had five provinces by turn 14. Game and Match.


I'm really liking the tournament and T was a great competitor. I don't think I've ever concentrated this hard on playing before.

Looking forward to next week,

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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2012, 05:43:05 am »
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I'll make a few comments on each game as well.

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Game One: T 28 - E 44
http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120326-201819-f632effa.html
Key cards: Witch, Nobles
I somehow manage not to pass out a curse until turn 10. Ednever opts for a turn 3 gold over witch; his early economy combined with winning the curse war wraps up a conclusive win for him.

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Game 2: T 26 - E 44
http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120326-202617-b2e0b8d2.html
Key cards: Chapel, Hoard
Another terrible start, and it's really hard to catch up against a chapel/hoard deck once it's set up.

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Game 3: T 23 - E 14
http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120326-203817-f9351ec9.html
Key cards: Gardens, Ironworks
My luck turns around a bit here: I manage to take a duchy as well as win the estate split, before piling out the ironworks.

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Game 4: T 22 - E 19
http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120326-205013-31d01e05.html
Key cards: Gardens, Workshop, Talisman
This time we split both the gardens and the estates evenly, but again I have one duchy. Ednever grabs a couple talismans after splitting the gardens, which gives him a small but significant deck size advantage. I then commit a serious error in running the workshop pile too low - this gives him a really good chance to sneak in a win on turn 13, while he's past the 30-card mark and I am not. Fortunately for me he's unable to buy the last two workshops in time, and I barely pull out with a second win.

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Game 5: T 42 - E 66
http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120326-210213-37c87c19.html
Key cards: Duke, Apprentice
I was totally outplayed this game. The support for the kingdom victory cards seemed fairly marginal here, so I decided to try money and Smithy with some acceleration from Apprentice. This worked quite well until ednever dives into the duchies with incredible speed, including a brutal double-duchy buy on turn 15. I end up losing the duchy split 2/6, and trying to follow him into dukes for denial doesn't help. A very deserved win for my opponent.

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Game 6: T - 19 - E -19
http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120326-211707-02b29820.html
Key cards: Chapel, Witch, Forge, Venture
A chapel/witch game. I have better luck in the early game, which I probably squander with some questionable buys. Ednever sets up a tighter deck while I'm buying better treasure, and in the end we tie.

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Game 7: T 27 - E 34
http://councilroom.com/game?game_id=game-20120326-212502-4cc7d225.html
Key cards: Vault, Library, Moneylender
An interesting set of $5 actions on this board. My plan was to use Library; it's a hard counter to Ghost Ship and a soft counter to Vault, and there was some support in Oasis and Cellar. In retrospect, however, I think that the Moneylender/Vault strategy is just much stronger and more consistent. In any case I don't even execute my plan very well, and the Vault wins the day.


Looking back at these logs, I'm constantly finding yet more mistakes that I didn't catch during play. It's pretty embarrassing to have all of them out there for everyone to see...

All in all a very instructive match; ednever was definitely a top-notch opponent. I only hope that I can step up my own game in future rounds!
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2012, 07:14:52 pm »
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Kirian:
Do we know which sets we will be playing each week? (i.e., the order)
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2012, 08:21:37 pm »
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I believe Mustard intends to play sets in release order, i.e. week two will be Intrigue.
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2012, 01:24:00 am »
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Played my match against AHoppy. rspeer 6, AHoppy 1.

When there are so many games going on, I like the six-word-summary style, so here goes:

rspeer 42 - AHoppy 32: Horse Traders can't stop the Witch
AHoppy 35 - rspeer 48: Cutpurse leads to Margraves and Banks
AHoppy 87 - rspeer 57: turns out Library's better than Expand
rspeer 30 - AHoppy 15: Chapel, Witch, and Hunting Party: unstoppable
AHoppy 29 - rspeer 37: treasure map fail turns out okay*
AHoppy 31 - rspeer 34: lame jack fight
AHoppy 26 - rspeer 44: lame lucky sea hag

* This one deserves more commentary. I had three Treasure Maps and a Chapel. They kept showing up one per hand, or being drawn dead. Finally on turn 12 I decide to refrain from playing my Witch, so as to mathematically guarantee that they hit in the next hand, getting my extremely belated first province on turn 14. But I came back from that remarkably quickly, because at least I had given him 5 curses to my 1 in that time.
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2012, 02:44:00 pm »
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Played my match against AHoppy. rspeer 6, AHoppy 1.

When there are so many games going on, I like the six-word-summary style, so here goes:

rspeer 42 - AHoppy 32: Horse Traders can't stop the Witch
AHoppy 35 - rspeer 48: Cutpurse leads to Margraves and Banks
AHoppy 87 - rspeer 57: turns out Library's better than Expand
rspeer 30 - AHoppy 15: Chapel, Witch, and Hunting Party: unstoppable
AHoppy 29 - rspeer 37: treasure map fail turns out okay*
AHoppy 31 - rspeer 34: lame jack fight
AHoppy 26 - rspeer 44: lame lucky sea hag

* This one deserves more commentary. I had three Treasure Maps and a Chapel. They kept showing up one per hand, or being drawn dead. Finally on turn 12 I decide to refrain from playing my Witch, so as to mathematically guarantee that they hit in the next hand, getting my extremely belated first province on turn 14. But I came back from that remarkably quickly, because at least I had given him 5 curses to my 1 in that time.
But you were able to play the Witch practically every turn in the meantime, doesn't sound so bad.
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« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2012, 12:27:16 am »
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Edit: Failed at copy-pasting the URLs, hopefully fixed.

O defeats Titandrake 6-1 (12pts - 2pts)


Game 1: O - 30, Titandrake -25
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-193614-19ef4ce4.html

Titandrake mistakenly buys hamlet in the opening, thinking CR would be more prevalent. It isn't, and I win the curse split and then the game with a large coin superiority.

Game 2: Titandrake-11, O-36
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-194930-59ef2bb5.html

Silver-Militia beats silver-courtyard to a torturer engine, leaving Titandrake no real chance of recovery.

Game 3: Titandrake-30, O-43

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-195932-d97aeb55.html


I roll to victory on a 5-2 Council Room opening. Titandrake made the slight mistake of trying to transition from a Bishop opening into a CR/BM game.

Game 4: Titandrake-27, O-33

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-201321-f36d7473.html

A close game. I open Militia/Silver, he opens silver/silver, not sure which is better. I somehow magically win a 6-4 curse split that I shouldn't have and pull out a win. Titandrake played perfectly except for the possibly errant purchase of a smithy.

Game 5: Titandrake-37, O-24

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-202513-468157c3.html

Titan opens 5-2 with HP/Chapel/Goons and no +actions on the board. While he buys a lab for his first buy, he then correctly transitions into a HP-Goons engine and thwamps my HP-Militia with accurate play.

Game 6: O-66, Titandrake- 41
http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-204340-50ddd636.html


I win with a 5-2 opening and a lab split in my favor.

Game 7: Titandrake-30, O-36

http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-205915-12e21e06.html

I win the Familiar curse split 6-4 due to luck, he makes the mistake of buying council room while I mistakenly buy Remodel late. (buy it earlier or not at all) Turns out the curse split is too hard to overcome and I win a closely contested game.

Thanks to Titan for the matches. None of them seemed particularly base-dominant, and all but the torturer game (I won) and the HP-goons game (he won) were competitive. It was also fun to beat you since I remember you were so clearly better than me seven months ago.  :P
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #41 on: March 29, 2012, 12:50:29 am »
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antony: 5 wins; shark_bait: 2 wins
shark_bait 38 - antony 45
I go for a basic lab + BM, grabbing a HT on the way, shark_bait goes for the more sexy festival + watchtower, which was slower this time.
shark_bait 27 - antony 42
CR/Horn/HT/Mining Village/TR/Workshop/Woodcutter: I was thinking about going for a simple BM here when I see my opponent start with a workshop -- thus convincing me that there could be something fancy to do by workshopping TRs, mining villages and HTs.  We both go this route and shark_bait gets a horn on the way, but draw it dead a couple of times.  At the end we both run out of steam but I got two more provinces before three-piling.
shark_bait 16 (14 turns) - antony 16 (13 turns)
Vineyards, Hamlets, Remodels, (Witch)... RUN!
shark_bait 44 - antony 40
Witch/Margrave/Bureaucrat/Feast/Gardens: shark_bait opens bureaucrat (?) whereas I choose a feast; unfortunately my witch misses the reshuffle and I make a mistake when I take a second feast which draws dead with my witch a couple of times, I lose the curse split 6-4 and gardens aren't enough to recover.
antony 25 - shark_bait 15
Hum. A copycat of game 3.  Really.
shark_bait 24 - antony 25
Familiar/TR/Governor/Remodel.  shark_bait gets very unlucky here with familiar, allowing me to get some advance in cursing; then we switch into a classic governor game (gold->province, with some help by TRs and remodels).  The extra cursing ends up being what separates us.
shark_bait 49 - antony 46
Lab/Horn/Garden/Baron: I always have trouble with horn so I go the simple BM route, including a baron and two labs which quickly give me a 5-0 lead in provinces (incl. a couple of turns with exactly $8, I was feeling pretty lucky by then); while I run out of steam shark_bait impressively mounts a horn machine rattling away the horns and the labs; still I try to grab enough gardens to deprive him of these points (he is clearly going to be above 50 cards...) but he manages to reach exactly 60 cards on the last turn, thus winning by 3.  A very impressive win!

And it may also be worth noting that all games except the 1st one had Potion... do we get to play Base on the Alchemy round?  ;)
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Re: Kirian's Bracket Week One
« Reply #42 on: March 29, 2012, 12:52:50 am »
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O vs Titandrake
Results: O wins 6-1

Games + Commentary!

Game 1: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-193614-19ef4ce4.html
O: 30
Titandrake: 25

I decide that I would really like Hamlet for +Action this game because of all the awesome card draw (Council Room, Torturer, Witch), and it's the only +action card. So, I open Remake/Hamlet. This is a terrible mistake:  opening with no Silver makes my chances of picking up early Witch almost 0. And Witch makes my engine dreams a bit too tough to reach. So, I have these Hamlets sitting in my deck, instead of the pure money I needed in a Cursing game like this, and so I lose.

Game 2: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-194930-59ef2bb5.html
O: 36
Titandrake: 11

So. Totally base-centric right? Torturer engines and Menagerie, yeah right. I do Silver/Courtyard vs Silver/Militia, thinking that the extra card draw will help me dig for more torturers. At the end of the game, O told me that he opened Militia to disrupt my chances of getting $5. I still get $5 on turn 4, but I do have to play my Courtyard and reshuffle to get it, which could have played a part in my deck starting up slower. Looking back, I should have picked up more Menageries over Silvers later on because of how good they are against Torturer, but realistically it was over on turn 11 when I got double-Tortured the first time.

Game 3: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-195932-d97aeb55.html
O: 45
Titandrake: 30

A Council Room-BM board. I open 4/3, O opens 5/2. Fairly straightforward loss. In post-game discussion, we both decided that I shouldn't have opened Bishop and should have done Silver/Silver. Or, I shouldn't have bought Council Room #2. I might try simulating this, see what fares better. Council Room draws my Bishop dead for the entire game and I only get to play it once.

EDIT: After some quick simulations, here's the results. All I did was stick in an opening Bishop buy to the built in bots.

Bishop into optimized CR is 54-43 over optimized CR with 4/3 and 5/2 starts respectively.
Bishop into 1 CR is 55.4-41.6 over 1 CR, also with 4/3 and 5/2 splits.
Bishop into 1 CR is 54-42 over optimized CR, also with the given splits.

So I made the right move in picking up the Bishop, but it's not an overwhelming margin and I get caught in the ~40% range.

Game 4: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-201321-f36d7473.html
O: 33
Titandrake: 27

Oh man, this game. This game was hilarious. I spent the first 2-3 minutes agonizing over the opening. Witch is in the game, so you want to buy fewer other terminals. Chapel is in the game, and early trashing is hard to pass up. Militia is a nice disruptor, especially against Chapel. And the only +Action in the game is Bazaar, which you certainly have to buy after picking up a Witch.

After a lot of deliberation, I open Silver/Silver, O opens Militia/Silver. I still felt pretty burned about CR drawing Bishop dead all the time and really wanted to make sure that didn't happen. I should have bought Militia turn 1, but went for Silver instead. Oh well. Once I see O open Militia, I decide that I can't open Chapel at all. Without that second Silver, getting $5 on turn 3 or 4 would be far too difficult, especially with Militia in play. O decides that without me picking up Chapel, picking up a Chapel isn't worth it, as my money is going to get me a $5 with a decent likelihood and a Militia/Chapel isn't quite that consistent.

Still turn 2 of the analysis btw.

Then O gets his first Gold turn 6. I get mine turn 14. On no turn in between there does Militia knock a $6 hand down to something lower. My lack of a Militia means I don't disrupt at all, and I quickly lose. So much for all that opening drama.

Game 5: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-202513-468157c3.html
Titandrake: 37
O: 24

I open 5/2. Hunting Party and Chapel are on the board. I open Lab/Chapel, which we both agree later is an incredibly silly decision, and then transition into a Hunting Party/Goons Engine. O goes for a HP/Militia engine which doesn't quite cut it against my opening luck, and I steamroll through the Provinces.

Game 6: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-204340-50ddd636.html
O: 66
Titandrake: 41

And here's the payback. O opens 5/2 on a Lab-engine board. On turn 4, I buy a Gold which I feel should have been a Lab, and end up losing the Lab split 6-4. I try to pick up some Cities in hope of getting to run them out, and buy two Level2 Cities over a Platinum. O buys Colonies far too fast for that plan to work. In post-game, the conclusion is that I needed that Plat a lot more than I needed that card draw.

There was one turn where I could have trashed Gold for Plat (turn 9). Still not sure whether replacing Gold with Plat or getting Lab+Silver while trashing an Estate is better.

Game 7: http://dominion.isotropic.org/gamelog/201203/28/game-20120328-205915-12e21e06.html
O: 36
Titandrake: 30

To end the somewhat non-Base centric games, we have a Familiar game. Curses get split 4-6, and I pick up a Remodel to turn Curses into Cellars, Familiars into Labs, and (if it ever happened) Potion into Gold. Then I pick up a Council Room partway through. Then Game 3 repeats all over again, and I keep drawing actions dead. I'm not sure if I could have won even if I hadn't gotten that Council Room, since I really needed more Gold that I just wasn't getting. Gold > Lab when cursers are around.

So, long story short, I make some small mistakes in every game, and those mistakes quickly snowball into large problems. But oh well, hopefully I do better next round.

And Council Room, I'm never buying you again  >:(.

And also I type way too slow, so now I get to read your post :P. Thanks for playing, and good luck!
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