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[MiX]

Results are in from the Oracle...

All non-Knights can win with town.

Ok let's kill hyper.

Vote: hyper for good measure.

[mail-mi]

Innia, in her recordings of children's folktales, speaks of the Voidbringers as being "Like a highstorm, regular in their coming, yet always unexpected." The word Desolation is used twice in reference to their appearances. See pages 57, 59, and 64 of Tales by Hearthlight.

Vote Count 3.FINAL

hypercube (8): chairs, Glooble, Dylan32, Rhand, MiX, scolapasta, LaLight, faust

Not Voting (6): hypercube, Swowl, Uncleeurope, Jimmmmm, GreatHallScout, Galzria

With 14 alive it took 8 to lynch.

Twilight starts now and will last 6 hours or until each player has checked in.

[faust]

I guess he's lynchable after all.

[scolapasta]

I didn't get enough spheres to vig. Galz pushed pretty hard to make sure I wouldn't.

Hmm, so did you not put out enough spheres? I did not steal from you.

Galz is saying he stole from me and that's how he knows I used protection (which I did). If someone stole from you, he is bluffing. But that would be risky ish.

So I'm more likely to assume you didn't put enough out, thinking one if us would steal from you. (or you protected, as well).

There's not much time during twilight, but I think it might be smart to try to clear this up if we can before night.

In case I die, and/or there is a vig shot (only other known vig shot is LL, correct?)

[MiX]

Ah...scola...uh...

Don't scumread people based on "no one was supposed to steal from Dylan".

Hahaha... Ha.

I'm sorry...

[Galzria]

I didn't get enough spheres to vig. Galz pushed pretty hard to make sure I wouldn't.

Hmm, so did you not put out enough spheres? I did not steal from you.

Galz is saying he stole from me and that's how he knows I used protection (which I did). If someone stole from you, he is bluffing. But that would be risky ish.

So I'm more likely to assume you didn't put enough out, thinking one if us would steal from you. (or you protected, as well).

There's not much time during twilight, but I think it might be smart to try to clear this up if we can before night.

In case I die, and/or there is a vig shot (only other known vig shot is LL, correct?)

This is good info. Options become:

A) Dylan didn’t put out 50+ Sphere’s
B) Dylan DID put out 50+ and lied about having enough to Vig
C) You (or I) am lying and stole from Dylan
D) Eddie lied and stole Sphere’s from Dylan
E) MiX somehow did something.

The last two options as pretty ridiculous, but included them anyway. The reality is that either Dylan didn’t put out 50+, or one of us 3 is lying.

[MiX]

Option F) Forget about it, okay?

I'm sooooorryyyy...

[Galzria]

Ah...scola...uh...

Don't scumread people based on "no one was supposed to steal from Dylan".

Hahaha... Ha.

I'm sorry...

The plan was that Scola and I both steal from Dylan. But I didn’t (and don’t) trust that Scola’s night choices have made sense coming from town (creating the QT between Joth/Glooble on the night Joth gives Glooble the item feels awfully convenient - and making Hyper weak seems awfully impractical). So I stole from him to try and ensure he didn’t try and sneak a full charge of 90 spheres. He also, apparently, didn’t steal from Dylan.

[faust]

This is good info. Options become:

A) Dylan didn’t put out 50+ Sphere’s
B) Dylan DID put out 50+ and lied about having enough to Vig
C) You (or I) am lying and stole from Dylan
D) Eddie lied and stole Sphere’s from Dylan
E) MiX somehow did something.

The last two options as pretty ridiculous, but included them anyway. The reality is that either Dylan didn’t put out 50+, or one of us 3 is lying.

F) Thinking scola would steal, Dylan paid sphere protection

[Dylan32]

This is good info. Options become:

A) Dylan didn’t put out 50+ Sphere’s
B) Dylan DID put out 50+ and lied about having enough to Vig
C) You (or I) am lying and stole from Dylan
D) Eddie lied and stole Sphere’s from Dylan
E) MiX somehow did something.

The last two options as pretty ridiculous, but included them anyway. The reality is that either Dylan didn’t put out 50+, or one of us 3 is lying.

F) Thinking scola would steal, Dylan paid sphere protection

yes, out of spite

[faust]

This is good info. Options become:

A) Dylan didn’t put out 50+ Sphere’s
B) Dylan DID put out 50+ and lied about having enough to Vig
C) You (or I) am lying and stole from Dylan
D) Eddie lied and stole Sphere’s from Dylan
E) MiX somehow did something.

The last two options as pretty ridiculous, but included them anyway. The reality is that either Dylan didn’t put out 50+, or one of us 3 is lying.

F) Thinking scola would steal, Dylan paid sphere protection

yes, out of spite

As far as motivations for night actions go, spite is definitely in the top 5.

[Galzria]

This is good info. Options become:

A) Dylan didn’t put out 50+ Sphere’s
B) Dylan DID put out 50+ and lied about having enough to Vig
C) You (or I) am lying and stole from Dylan
D) Eddie lied and stole Sphere’s from Dylan
E) MiX somehow did something.

The last two options as pretty ridiculous, but included them anyway. The reality is that either Dylan didn’t put out 50+, or one of us 3 is lying.

F) Thinking scola would steal, Dylan paid sphere protection

Yes, sorry, also possible. That would save him 7 spheres and guarantee Scola (and I) didn’t get them. Actually, more - because had Scola and I both stolen from him we would’ve taken 36 combined.

[faust]

creating the QT between Joth/Glooble on the night Joth gives Glooble the item feels awfully convenient

Creating a QT between the IC and the person the IC knows best is obviously the best thing you can do with a Neighborizer.

[MiX]

creating the QT between Joth/Glooble on the night Joth gives Glooble the item feels awfully convenient

Creating a QT between the IC and the person the IC knows best is obviously the best thing you can do with a Neighborizer.

It also made scum have to claim first, which is what caught him. It's clear scola's townie with the QT.

What you said is null, as it's best regardless of scola's alignment. But it's still true 

[faust]

Hot take: Galzria is a scum.

I'm gonna stick to that until Galzria flips or I get motivated to do a reread. The former is more likely.

[MiX]

Hot take: Galzria is a scum.

I'm gonna stick to that until Galzria flips or I get motivated to do a reread. The former is more likely.

Can you expand on why? I have stuff to do at night and idk who to target.

[Galzria]

Hot take: Galzria is a scum.

I'm gonna stick to that until Galzria flips or I get motivated to do a reread. The former is more likely.

Hot take: Yawn.

[scolapasta]

Ah...scola...uh...

Don't scumread people based on "no one was supposed to steal from Dylan".

Hahaha... Ha.

I'm sorry...

Agreed. In the hypothetical, I wasn't scumereading Galz for stealing when we weren't supposed to (which I'm also not sure is whay we agreed to), but for lying about it after (saying he stole from me).

Anyway, I think it was useful to mention this before nightfall, since some piece of info was either false or missing. And it seems like we found what was missing (Dylan used protection plan) - or at least what could have been missing, as this could still be false, as well.

[scolapasta]

I still am curious why Galz would choose to steal from me and not Dylan.

He was the one who was most worried about Dylan having a vig shot. (I was not as much, any vig shot would immediately make Dylan a suspect). But he didn't steal from Dylan, assuming I would, even though I never said I would or agreed to it. And he tried to steal from me when I said I would protect.

Protecting still allowed me to infuse 70 spheres and I know have a total of 80, which allows me for at least 2 nights worth of actions, if I want.

Why not steal from Dylan? How does 20 more help me that much more (keeping me honest), instead of your stated goal of not having Dylan having the vig shot.

[Dylan32]

In our house, Galz straight up said he would rather me have a fuller set of spheres than you, and so I'm not surprised he would steal from you not me.

[Dylan32]

Although, I must say I'm extremely disappointed that I paid for protection and neither of you tried to steal...

[scolapasta]

In our house, Galz straight up said he would rather me have a fuller set of spheres than you, and so I'm not surprised he would steal from you not me.

True, I had forgotten about that.

Even still, if it had been me, I'd have used this logic (with arbitrary #s, of course):
I'd rather steal from scola 60-40, but there's an 80% chance scola protects. So stealing from Dylan is more likely to accomplish my "lesser" goal. Granted I'm not factoring in you protecting, but I think that chance was lower as you needed to not protect to get your 50 for a vig.

Again, not saying this is necessarily evidence for scum!galzria, just that it was a questionable decision. (sorry)

Anyway, this info's out there, and that is what was important before nightfall.

[Swowl]

Hot take: Galzria is a scum.

I'm gonna stick to that until Galzria flips or I get motivated to do a reread. The former is more likely.

What would be your hot take on WCD's death if Galz is skum (given he had 0 spheres)?

[Dylan32]

In our house, Galz straight up said he would rather me have a fuller set of spheres than you, and so I'm not surprised he would steal from you not me.

True, I had forgotten about that.

Even still, if it had been me, I'd have used this logic (with arbitrary #s, of course):
I'd rather steal from scola 60-40, but there's an 80% chance scola protects. So stealing from Dylan is more likely to accomplish my "lesser" goal. Granted I'm not factoring in you protecting, but I think that chance was lower as you needed to not protect to get your 50 for a vig.

Again, not saying this is necessarily evidence for scum!galzria, just that it was a questionable decision. (sorry)

Anyway, this info's out there, and that is what was important before nightfall.

Galz also very clearly stated their goal was not to accumulate spheres, as they believed their abilities are of marginal value. They thought all of us getting as few spheres as possible was best.

[hypercube]

twilightvig: Glooble