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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2475 on: June 27, 2020, 05:10:59 pm »

Eddie can you drop me a line when you get a chance plz
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2476 on: June 27, 2020, 05:12:36 pm »

There's a much better way to use the oracle, and it's as a cop shot. I can do it during the day so I'd like for town to collectively decide on who needs to be copped as I wasn't really paying attention D2 and D3.

I didn't expect to be town.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2477 on: June 27, 2020, 05:15:02 pm »

There's a much better way to use the oracle, and it's as a cop shot. I can do it during the day so I'd like for town to collectively decide on who needs to be copped as I wasn't really paying attention D2 and D3.

I didn't expect to be town.

How does oracle turn into a cop shot?
And i assume that means you only get one question?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2478 on: June 27, 2020, 05:29:56 pm »

There's a much better way to use the oracle, and it's as a cop shot. I can do it during the day so I'd like for town to collectively decide on who needs to be copped as I wasn't really paying attention D2 and D3.

I didn't expect to be town.

How does oracle turn into a cop shot?
And i assume that means you only get one question?

With the mystical power of asking the right questions.

It's a 1-shot, yes.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2479 on: June 27, 2020, 06:14:17 pm »

someone stole half my spheres. I guess I will vote for them, vote: hypercube
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2480 on: June 27, 2020, 06:27:08 pm »

Is the oracle question limited to stuff that mail-mi could answer before randomizing who is what? If so, I think you should run the question you are going to ask by us before trying to cop someone, because I'm don't know how you are thinking you can pull that off.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2481 on: June 27, 2020, 06:27:52 pm »

Is the oracle question limited to stuff that mail-mi could answer before randomizing who is what? If so, I think you should run the question you are going to ask by us before trying to cop someone, because I'm don't know how you are thinking you can pull that off.

Yes. The cop thing is I can ask if there's scum in an order, which is...really good.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2482 on: June 27, 2020, 06:28:49 pm »

@Faust did you not put your spheres out?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2483 on: June 27, 2020, 06:31:04 pm »

Is the oracle question limited to stuff that mail-mi could answer before randomizing who is what? If so, I think you should run the question you are going to ask by us before trying to cop someone, because I'm don't know how you are thinking you can pull that off.

Yes. The cop thing is I can ask if there's scum in an order, which is...really good.

ok... that's basically the same thing I said to ask that you said absolutely not, except if order+alignment were randomized independently, your question would be unanswerable, where mine would get an answer.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2484 on: June 27, 2020, 06:39:16 pm »

Is the oracle question limited to stuff that mail-mi could answer before randomizing who is what? If so, I think you should run the question you are going to ask by us before trying to cop someone, because I'm don't know how you are thinking you can pull that off.

Yes. The cop thing is I can ask if there's scum in an order, which is...really good.

ok... that's basically the same thing I said to ask that you said absolutely not, except if order+alignment were randomized independently, your question would be unanswerable, where mine would get an answer.

But your question doesn't tell us anything about scum, just how the setup was randomized.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2485 on: June 27, 2020, 06:57:20 pm »

Shouldn't you all be trying to use your votes to find scum or whatever? This is too easy.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2486 on: June 27, 2020, 07:10:32 pm »

Is the oracle question limited to stuff that mail-mi could answer before randomizing who is what? If so, I think you should run the question you are going to ask by us before trying to cop someone, because I'm don't know how you are thinking you can pull that off.

Yes. The cop thing is I can ask if there's scum in an order, which is...really good.

ok... that's basically the same thing I said to ask that you said absolutely not, except if order+alignment were randomized independently, your question would be unanswerable, where mine would get an answer.

But your question doesn't tell us anything about scum, just how the setup was randomized.

If you replace in a specific order where I said "order X", and that order couldn't have been scum aligned, you would know anyone who claimed (and was reasonably likely truthful) about being that order is probably town.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2487 on: June 27, 2020, 07:11:16 pm »

Is the oracle question limited to stuff that mail-mi could answer before randomizing who is what? If so, I think you should run the question you are going to ask by us before trying to cop someone, because I'm don't know how you are thinking you can pull that off.

Yes. The cop thing is I can ask if there's scum in an order, which is...really good.

ok... that's basically the same thing I said to ask that you said absolutely not, except if order+alignment were randomized independently, your question would be unanswerable, where mine would get an answer.

But your question doesn't tell us anything about scum, just how the setup was randomized.

If you replace in a specific order where I said "order X", and that order couldn't have been scum aligned, you would know anyone who claimed (and was reasonably likely truthful) about being that order is probably town.

Right, but if it could, we would've learned nothing.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2488 on: June 27, 2020, 07:15:47 pm »

Good questions could be:
Does mafia have access to the abrasion surge?
Did mafia have multiple players from the same order?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2489 on: June 27, 2020, 07:18:14 pm »

Ok, let's look best/worst case with both of our wordings.

Yours
Best case: Get yes or no answer to whether scum is in a certain order.
Worst case: Not a valid question, waste your ability.

Mine
Best case: A "no" response almost ICs anyone who is that order if you believe their claim.
Worst case: A "yes" means scum had a chance of rolling the specified order, although it's not clear if they did.
No chance of being invalid.

ppe 2

Obviously, your best case is definitely the best, but it's a literal coin toss depending on how mail-mi rolled the setup, and your worst case is a complete waste.
My best case is pretty darn good, but my worst case at least provides useful info, namely that either A) order+alignment are linked somehow and there's scum in that order or B) order+alignment and completely independent and scum could be any order.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2490 on: June 27, 2020, 07:19:27 pm »

Ok, so my worst case is only marginally useful depending on if A or B is true, but it's still better than a totally invalid question.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2491 on: June 27, 2020, 07:19:54 pm »

"Not a valid question" doesn't waste my ability. Why would it?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2492 on: June 27, 2020, 07:21:23 pm »

"Not a valid question" doesn't waste my ability. Why would it?

An unanswerable question could be treated the same as a cop result that was blocked, no result.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2493 on: June 27, 2020, 07:21:39 pm »

Look, I'm addicted to being anti-town, okay? I forgot that I asked if it was fine to ask the type of question that I'm proposing to ask, and the mods said it was okay. So, there's no worst case.

Also I really think you're wrong, but that's personal.

Just accept that I'm having a hard time transitioning into being town right now, and I'm sorry for this and future misunderstandings.

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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2494 on: June 27, 2020, 07:23:05 pm »

Also, I've literally never been in a game with a oracle, so my info is entirely operating assuming it acts normally as described on mafiascum wiki.

ppe I mean, if you got permission from the mod to use that question, then yours is unquestionably better haha. But if it was unknown, I was worried it was risky.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2495 on: June 27, 2020, 10:13:47 pm »

someone stole half my spheres. I guess I will vote for them, vote: hypercube

What do you mean by half your spheres?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Now Open!)
« Reply #2496 on: June 27, 2020, 10:16:36 pm »

Setup Information
5. Thieving: Each player has the chance to steal other players' spheres that they left out during a highstorm. Players can only steal from members of their same House. To attempt to steal, a player posts Steal from PlayerY in their personal QT during a highstorm. If only 1 person steals from PlayerX, they will receive half of the spheres that PlayerX left out in the highstorm. If two players steal from PlayerX, each player will receive one third of the spheres that PlayerX left out in the highstorm, and etc.

Read setups! I know it's been forever since the game started, but come on, we were just in a highstorm!

Sorry for not trying to be town. I'm still getting used to it.
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2497 on: June 27, 2020, 10:17:38 pm »

Any thoughts on the following?:N1 Faust got no result on chairs, while jimmmm says Swowl, galzria, GHS, Glooble, cayvie targeted faust? Cayvie probably watched. Glooble didnt do anything bad. I mod copped . swowl and galzria doctored him. Would scum roleSTOP chairs over roleBLOCKing? Assuming not, then one one of chairs/swowl/galzria/faust/jimmmm lied?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2498 on: June 27, 2020, 10:20:27 pm »

Any thoughts on the following?:N1 Faust got no result on chairs, while jimmmm says Swowl, galzria, GHS, Glooble, cayvie targeted faust? Cayvie probably watched. Glooble didnt do anything bad. I mod copped . swowl and galzria doctored him. Would scum roleSTOP chairs over roleBLOCKing? Assuming not, then one one of chairs/swowl/galzria/faust/jimmmm lied?

I don't understand what you're implying. Where is the lie?
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Re: RMM56: Stormlight Archive Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2499 on: June 27, 2020, 10:21:00 pm »

@mix lalight had 45 dun spheres I wanted to know what half would be
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