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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #250 on: March 13, 2020, 06:08:00 am »
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can necromancer play cards from trash as Horses?

Iím not DXV, but why couldnít you?

Yes you can do that. They don't return to their piles (stop moving rule), but they're still Labs for Necromancer.
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« Reply #251 on: March 13, 2020, 06:15:58 am »
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can necromancer play cards from trash as Horses?

Iím not DXV, but why couldnít you?

You can play the card, but it wonít return to itís pile, as youíre actually playing Necromancer, which tells you to leave the card in the Trash. This overrides the text of the Way that tries to move the second action card.
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #252 on: March 13, 2020, 07:37:02 am »
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Feels like Workshop is better, because you can actually gain Gardens with it.  Eventually with Camel Train you'll need to figure out how you're going to consistently hit 4 while flooding with Gardens.

Beggar has that same advantage, flooding your deck with stuff and also helping you actually get Gardens.
Well, you aren't forced to keep every card exiled. You can start exiling silvers till a point you ready to go gardens(preferably just before a shuffle), then gain one silver and then your next shuffle is flooded with money to gain gardens, while you can start exiling gold to fight for provinces/duchies on lucky turns. So no - i think it is a good garden enabler.
If you're playing a Gardens rush, the point when you're ready to go for Gardens should be like the third shuffle. The "flood" of Silvers at that point is like 2 at best.
I was talking more about a gardens slog. Thats the main synergy of CT with gardens after all. You can keep exiling hoards of useless cards upping your gardens points without junking your deck. Though if you aren't trying 3-pile exiling gold is probably the smartest option.
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #253 on: March 13, 2020, 08:07:14 am »
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can necromancer play cards from trash as Horses?

Iím not DXV, but why couldnít you?

You can play the card, but it wonít return to itís pile, as youíre actually playing Necromancer, which tells you to leave the card in the Trash. This overrides the text of the Way that tries to move the second action card.

For accuracy, the ďleaving it thereĒ part stops it from moving to in-play; the fact that it isnít in the in-play area is what stops it from returning to its pile.
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #254 on: March 13, 2020, 08:08:06 am »
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I love that Way of the Horse just turns any card into Horse; and I hate that I didnít think of it in the Ways prediction thread.
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #255 on: March 13, 2020, 09:11:13 am »
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If you play a Horse as a Horse instead of as a Horse, that is probably a metaphor for something.
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #256 on: March 13, 2020, 09:27:32 am »
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I am enjoying all of the Ways cards, but could we see 1 or 2 of the reaction cards? It would be cool if one of the ways was a reaction.
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #257 on: March 13, 2020, 09:54:38 am »
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I am enjoying all of the Ways cards, but could we see 1 or 2 of the reaction cards? It would be cool if one of the ways was a reaction.

I don't see how a Way could be a reaction... a Way is something you can choose to do when you play an action card; by the rules of Ways. If you want something that simply adds a reaction possibility to every action card; you would need some other sort of game-changing thing, like a Landmark or a card with an "in games using this" clause.
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #258 on: March 13, 2020, 10:25:16 am »
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If you play a Horse as a Horse instead of as a Horse, that is probably a metaphor for something.
Agricola: Farmers of the Moor had a rule clarification that read "the Horse is not a horse, although it can count as a horse".
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #259 on: March 13, 2020, 11:16:12 am »
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If you play a Horse as a Horse instead of as a Horse, that is probably a metaphor for something.

Unless, of course, the Way of the Horse is the famous Mr. Ed!
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #260 on: March 13, 2020, 11:18:30 am »
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I am enjoying all of the Ways cards, but could we see 1 or 2 of the reaction cards? It would be cool if one of the ways was a reaction.

I don't really want to see any more reaction cards. We've seen 3 already, and we know there are 5 total. I'd prefer to keep the other 2 a surprise.
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #261 on: March 13, 2020, 11:58:32 am »
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An event that interacts with Exile would be good next
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #262 on: March 13, 2020, 12:14:47 pm »
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In addition to Necromancer, BoM, Overlord, Captain and Inherited Estates can all play cards as Way of the Horse without having to return them.

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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #263 on: March 13, 2020, 12:17:12 pm »
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What's the best way to refer to a card played as a Way, let's say Way of the Horse?

a card played as Way of the Horse?
a card played with Way of the Horse?
a Way of the Horse'd card?
a Way of the Horse card?
a card of the Horse?

I wonder how the rulebook says it.

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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #264 on: March 13, 2020, 12:33:41 pm »
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What's the best way to refer to a card played as a Way, let's say Way of the Horse?

a card played as Way of the Horse?
a card played with Way of the Horse?
a Way of the Horse'd card?
a Way of the Horse card?
a card of the Horse?

I wonder how the rulebook says it.

I'd go with Wayed Card, so "A Horsed [Card]"
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #265 on: March 13, 2020, 12:44:58 pm »
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What's the best way to refer to a card played as a Way, let's say Way of the Horse?

a card played as Way of the Horse?
a card played with Way of the Horse?
a Way of the Horse'd card?
a Way of the Horse card?
a card of the Horse?

I wonder how the rulebook says it.

There doesn't have to be just one particular phrasing that is used. From Donald on previews 4 about Ways: "We turn the Action card sideways to remember which ones did the Way" and "This means for example that if you play Sheepdog via its reaction, that can still use a Way if you want." So, going by that, you could say something like "a card that did the Way of the Horse" or "a card that used the Way of the Horse."
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #266 on: March 13, 2020, 12:56:33 pm »
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Animals will become verbs.

A horsed ruin
A turtled moneylender
You could rats a grand market
Ox your smithy
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« Reply #267 on: March 13, 2020, 01:33:38 pm »
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Animals will become verbs.

A horsed ruin
A turtled moneylender
You could rats a grand market
Ox your smithy

The problem what that is that Horse and Rats are cards. Ratsing a Grand Market could sound like trashing it with a Rats. I guess Horsing a card is clear though.
EDIT: It's actually "Way of the Rat", not "Rats". So it would be Ratting a Grand Market.

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« Reply #268 on: March 13, 2020, 01:57:07 pm »
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Personally I like "a card played according to the Way of the Horse".
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #269 on: March 13, 2020, 02:05:49 pm »
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Personally I like "a card played according to the Way of the Horse".

That's awfully wordy though.  That would be like saying "A card played twice by Throne Room" as opposed to "A Throned card"
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« Reply #270 on: March 13, 2020, 02:35:43 pm »
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I'm reading The Fall of Gondolin, and in the city there are several clans that are called the folk of the Swallow, of the Fountain, of the Tree, etc., each with their own banner and captain.

I'm kind of liking "Smithy of the Rat", "Witch of the Mole", "Bounty Hunter of the Ox"...

EDIT: Oh, I just realized that there is a house of the Mole in the book too!
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #271 on: March 13, 2020, 03:03:37 pm »
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Animals will become verbs.

A horsed ruin
A turtled moneylender
You could rats a grand market
Ox your smithy

The problem what that is that Horse and Rats are cards. Ratsing a Grand Market could sound like trashing it with a Rats. I guess Horsing a card is clear though.
EDIT: It's actually "Way of the Rat", not "Rats". So it would be Ratting a Grand Market.

My instinct would be to say "I Rats my Grand Market" to mean "play with Way", and "Rats trashing my Grand market" to mean trashing it. I would guess ways are not ambiguous in practice.
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Re: Menagerie Bonus Previews
« Reply #272 on: March 14, 2020, 03:00:24 am »
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Bonus Preview 8: Way of the Pig, Way of the Sheep

As I've been saying, many of the Ways are simple. Here are two vanilla ones.



What is there to say, that wasn't said better by the cards?
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« Reply #273 on: March 14, 2020, 03:22:39 am »
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Looks like the Enchantress has settled down a bit and is now doing her magic on request
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« Reply #274 on: March 14, 2020, 04:12:03 am »
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