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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #425 on: April 06, 2020, 01:00:20 am »

edit: that's 6 votes, not 4
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #426 on: April 06, 2020, 03:52:38 am »


All of that being said - I have now gone and looked at MiX's response to my comment that they mentioned. For MiX, in my experience, honing in on little things early game like "pessimismvsoptomism" and one liners and things like that is in fact a town trait for them. I do NOT agree with their points on Cayvie, but the points they are making I have seen them make several times (or similar points) as town. As skum they are normally more organized. Also, the reaction at L-1 is NOT a way that I would expect Skum!MiX.


Ok, so mix is no longer scummy, because honing in on things is  a towntrait and they have made similar cases to their cayvie-case as town.

Was mix NOT honing in on things when you voted him? Was he making different cayvie-casea back then?

not at all. he was jumping around like a maniac. That was the base of my first case on him. It went
1. Jump around
2. cayvie said the thing
3. jump around some more
4. galz said the thing
5. MiX tunneled.

He did not tunnel, or hone, or whatever prior to galz stepping in. It was the switch in gears that I found suspicious, but as he continued with it, I find it more on the town!mix side of things.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #427 on: April 06, 2020, 03:54:22 am »

Pubby is town.

Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.

The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.

Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.

wait I thought you thought pubby was skummy? what happened?
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #428 on: April 06, 2020, 04:39:53 am »

I'll make an EFHW case. She goes from this
MiX, skip, Swan and Didds feel chummy here.
to this

I guess maybe this ship has sailed, but

vote: Didds

Definitely defensive in several posts and now sheeping MiX.
in the space of not much time, and with not much extra information, and I don't buy it.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #429 on: April 06, 2020, 05:46:24 am »

Pubby is town.

Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.

The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.

Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.

wait I thought you thought pubby was skummy? what happened?

Well, he was always townier than EFHW anyway, because of the L-1 thing.

To me it looked a lot like the baddies were all on MiX/cayvie (or at least pushing it verbally) and then when the wagon disbanded to one of my picks (pubby/EFHW) all of them went to pubby.

That’s just a general sense I got, hardly scientific.

Anyway, that kind of thing only happens if they are a different alignment.

(Probably)

(Maybe...?)
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #430 on: April 06, 2020, 06:45:06 am »

To me it looked a lot like the baddies were all on MiX/cayvie (or at least pushing it verbally) and then when the wagon disbanded to one of my picks (pubby/EFHW) all of them went to pubby.

That’s just a general sense I got, hardly scientific.
Of the people voting mix/cayvie, didds, Faust, LaLight, and mix went to efhw, swan went to pubby, cayvie went to both.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #431 on: April 06, 2020, 06:46:14 am »

To me it looked a lot like the baddies were all on MiX/cayvie (or at least pushing it verbally) and then when the wagon disbanded to one of my picks (pubby/EFHW) all of them went to pubby.

That’s just a general sense I got, hardly scientific.
Of the people voting mix/cayvie, didds, Faust, LaLight, and mix went to efhw, swan went to pubby, cayvie went to both.
Sorry for that sentence being really difficult to read.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #432 on: April 06, 2020, 07:26:00 am »

Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.

Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!

I was simply commenting on the current wagons.
Indeed, and you were doing so in a way that reards lurking.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #433 on: April 06, 2020, 10:36:59 am »

Pubby is town.

Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.

The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.

Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.

How many partners do you think I would have?

You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #434 on: April 06, 2020, 10:37:23 am »

Pubby is town.

Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.

The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.

Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.

How many partners do you think I would have?

You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.

Do you think he's scum?
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #435 on: April 06, 2020, 10:38:34 am »

I'll make an EFHW case. She goes from this
MiX, skip, Swan and Didds feel chummy here.
to this

I guess maybe this ship has sailed, but

vote: Didds

Definitely defensive in several posts and now sheeping MiX.
in the space of not much time, and with not much extra information, and I don't buy it.

That's not a contradiction. I said "chummy", meaning they are getting along too well, meaning I thought some of them were buddying others of them, or that there were connections between them we are unaware of.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #436 on: April 06, 2020, 10:44:55 am »

To me it looked a lot like the baddies were all on MiX/cayvie (or at least pushing it verbally) and then when the wagon disbanded to one of my picks (pubby/EFHW) all of them went to pubby.

That’s just a general sense I got, hardly scientific.
Of the people voting mix/cayvie, didds, Faust, LaLight, and mix went to efhw, swan went to pubby, cayvie went to both.
So which people were avoiding my wagon? Your case is a lie!

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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #437 on: April 06, 2020, 10:45:52 am »

Pubby is town.

Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.

The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.

Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.

How many partners do you think I would have?

You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.

Do you think he's scum?

I didn't until I saw skip's post and it became clear that he was trying to convince town of something that wasn't true. Maybe he's just mistaken. I'll unvote him if that turns out to be the case.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #438 on: April 06, 2020, 10:46:39 am »

Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.

Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!

I was simply commenting on the current wagons.
Indeed, and you were doing so in a way that reards lurking.

Continuing this conversation is simply cluttering the thread.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #439 on: April 06, 2020, 10:47:17 am »

I'll make an EFHW case. She goes from this
MiX, skip, Swan and Didds feel chummy here.
to this

I guess maybe this ship has sailed, but

vote: Didds

Definitely defensive in several posts and now sheeping MiX.
in the space of not much time, and with not much extra information, and I don't buy it.

That's not a contradiction. I said "chummy", meaning they are getting along too well, meaning I thought some of them were buddying others of them, or that there were connections between them we are unaware of.
I see, I interpreted this as "chummy" as in "chum-to-scum list", i.e. not scummy.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #440 on: April 06, 2020, 10:47:49 am »

I'll make an EFHW case. She goes from this
MiX, skip, Swan and Didds feel chummy here.
to this

I guess maybe this ship has sailed, but

vote: Didds

Definitely defensive in several posts and now sheeping MiX.
in the space of not much time, and with not much extra information, and I don't buy it.

That's not a contradiction. I said "chummy", meaning they are getting along too well, meaning I thought some of them were buddying others of them, or that there were connections between them we are unaware of.

Well, uh, there was no connection between me and Swan, so although we all skip's townread of Didds I didn't buddy with Swan. You can say he buddied me by saying the same thing I guess.

Do you think skip townreading Didds and me and Swan townreading skip's townread of Didds makes us have connections? If anything it looks like independent thoughts that reached the same conclusion as they're based on the same evidence (the Didds and then skip post).

To me it looked a lot like the baddies were all on MiX/cayvie (or at least pushing it verbally) and then when the wagon disbanded to one of my picks (pubby/EFHW) all of them went to pubby.

That’s just a general sense I got, hardly scientific.
Of the people voting mix/cayvie, didds, Faust, LaLight, and mix went to efhw, swan went to pubby, cayvie went to both.
So which people were avoiding my wagon? Your case is a lie!

vote: Eddie

I can see the fire in your eyes with this post. So powerful.

I didn't until I saw skip's post and it became clear that he was trying to convince town of something that wasn't true. Maybe he's just mistaken. I'll unvote him if that turns out to be the case.

Why did you give him a way to lose your vote?

PPE: Same.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #441 on: April 06, 2020, 10:48:18 am »

Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.

Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!

I was simply commenting on the current wagons.
Indeed, and you were doing so in a way that reards lurking.

Continuing this conversation is simply cluttering the thread.
You may be right.

Vote: mail-mi
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #442 on: April 06, 2020, 11:04:29 am »


Well, uh, there was no connection between me and Swan, so although we all skip's townread of Didds I didn't buddy with Swan. You can say he buddied me by saying the same thing I guess.

Do you think skip townreading Didds and me and Swan townreading skip's townread of Didds makes us have connections? If anything it looks like independent thoughts that reached the same conclusion as they're based on the same evidence (the Didds and then skip post).

It was an observation. I didn't draw any conclusions yet.

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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #443 on: April 06, 2020, 11:07:01 am »

Sorry all, had a busy day yesterday and the same today. Will be able to get into this more tomorrow and before deadline.

Still happy with my MiX vote, could see myself moving to cayvie for a lynch, don't really want to vote EFHW or pubby but would do it if necessary.
Yep yep, let's lynch the active players so that Day 2 becomes even more of a slog than today!

I was simply commenting on the current wagons.
Indeed, and you were doing so in a way that reards lurking.

Continuing this conversation is simply cluttering the thread.
You may be right.

Vote: mail-mi

I'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #444 on: April 06, 2020, 11:22:08 am »

Pubby is town.

Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.

The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.

Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.

How many partners do you think I would have?

You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.

Eh, I have a reason, just not one I can properly verbalize.

Obviously.

Thankfully I don’t need a case if we just lynch you and you are scum.

Wouldn’t that be nice.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #445 on: April 06, 2020, 11:55:18 am »

Pubby is town.

Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.

The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.

Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.

How many partners do you think I would have?

You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.

Eh, I have a reason, just not one I can properly verbalize.

Obviously.

Thankfully I don’t need a case if we just lynch you and you are scum.

Wouldn’t that be nice.

You're not addressing your misleading post about people avoiding my wagon.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #446 on: April 06, 2020, 12:26:05 pm »

I'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.

The two bolded statements contradict each other tbh.

And anyway, good thing the case against pubby wasn't just "he's lurking".

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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #447 on: April 06, 2020, 12:26:57 pm »

Correct.
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« Reply #448 on: April 06, 2020, 12:27:45 pm »

Ehhh, second attempt to phone reply.

Pubby is town.

Let’s just kill EFHW and be done with it.

The fact that given the option of EFHW and anyone else, people will always avoid EFHW makes me unsettled.

Let’s just lynch EFHW and move on.

How many partners do you think I would have?

You're tunneling me for no reason. I object to that.

Eh, I have a reason, just not one I can properly verbalize.

Obviously.

Thankfully I don’t need a case if we just lynch you and you are scum.

Wouldn’t that be nice.

You're not addressing your misleading post about people avoiding my wagon.

Correct.
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Re: RMM55: Falling Skies Mafia 2 (Day 1)
« Reply #449 on: April 06, 2020, 12:29:26 pm »

I'm not trying to reward lurking, I'm commenting on the scumminess of the people that have wagons. Pubby is always lurky, that's a nulltell. And I don't think EFHW is scummy like everyone else is thinking. Id rather lunch scum than lurking town, personally.

The two bolded statements contradict each other tbh.

And anyway, good thing the case against pubby wasn't just "he's lurking".

Yeah, I can go for a vote: mail-mi

they don't contradict each other. smh.

The intent of voting, creating wagons, etc. for me is to lynch scum. Pubby is lurking != pubby is scum. I have also not seen anything in pubby's play that points toward him being scum rather than just pubby. Thus, pubby is not a top priority lynch for me.
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