Topic: Decrypto (Read 15603 times)

Watno · « **on:** January 02, 2020, 06:33:42 pm »

Decrypto is a game that usually appeals to the same people as Codenames does.

https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/225694/decrypto

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Players compete in two teams in Decrypto, with each trying to correctly interpret the coded messages presented to them by their teammates while cracking the codes they intercept from the opposing team.

In more detail, each team has their own screen, and in this screen they tuck four cards in pockets numbered 1-4, letting everyone on the same team see the words on these cards while hiding the words from the opposing team. In the first round, each team does the following: One team member takes a code card that shows three of the digits 1-4 in some order, e.g., 4-2-1. They then give a coded message that their teammates must use to guess this code. For example, if the team's four words are "pig", "candy", "tent", and "son", then I might say "Sam-striped-pink" and hope that my teammates can correctly map those words to 4-2-1. If they guess correctly, great; if not, we receive a black mark of failure.

Starting in the second round, a member of each team must again give a clue about their words to match a numbered code. If I get 2-4-3, I might now say, "sucker-prince-stake". The other team then attempts to guess our numbered code. If they're correct, they receive a white mark of success; if not, then my team must guess the number correctly or take a black mark of failure. (Guessing correctly does nothing except avoid failure and give the opposing team information about what our hidden words might be.)

The rounds continue until a team collects either its second white mark (winning the game) or its second black mark (losing the game). Games typically last between 4-7 rounds. If neither team has won after eight rounds, then each team must attempt to guess the other team's words; whichever team guesses more words correctly wins.

There is a word list generator we could use here: https://whoawhoa.github.io/decrypto/#

Anyone wanna play?

faust · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2020, 06:33:30 am »

I'm in.

scolapasta · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2020, 11:26:33 am »

I've never played, but I'd try, if there's space.

Watno · « **Reply #3 on:** January 05, 2020, 03:44:03 am »

We need one more player.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #4 on:** January 07, 2020, 06:42:14 am »

/in

How do we adjust the rules for playing it online?

Watno · « **Reply #5 on:** January 08, 2020, 12:31:58 pm »

My suggestion for the gameflow that should work from what I can think of.
Pregame:
1) Make teams.
2) Each team makes a quicktopic and generates a wordlist using https://whoawhoa.github.io/decrypto/#, posting it in the qt

Game starts
1) Cluegivers generate a code using the same site, make clues and post them to the game thread.
2) Guessers guess their own teams code. Starting round 2, teams simultaneously discuss about the opponent's clue and try to guess their code.
3) Once a guess is made, it is posted to the game thread in spoilers
4) Once all guesses are ready, the cluegivers reveal the correct codes and tokens are assigned.
5) Start new round with switched cluegivers.

Does anybode see any problems with that?

Watno · « **Reply #6 on:** January 08, 2020, 12:33:25 pm »

I randomized teams and it's scolapasta + me vs faust + ghostofmars

scolapasta · « **Reply #7 on:** January 08, 2020, 12:57:05 pm »

I apologize in advance to Watno.

Uncleeurope · « **Reply #8 on:** January 09, 2020, 01:25:46 am »

Ooh, I like this one. I dunno if there's room for another, though.

Would all team conversations be held in the quicktopic? How much would be public? Just the clues themselves/answers? Or the discussion too?

faust · « **Reply #9 on:** January 09, 2020, 03:40:29 am »

The gameflow proposal seems fine. I would be open to more players, but we should probably have the same number of players on each team.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #10 on:** January 09, 2020, 06:55:58 am »

I would suggest the following modification

1) Cluegivers generate a code using the same site, make clues and post them to the game thread.
2) Guessers guess their own teams code. Starting round 2, teams simultaneously discuss about the opponent's clue and try to guess their code.
3a) If you guess the clue of your own team, you post it in the team quicktopic.
3b) If you guess the clue of the opposing team, you post it in spoilers in the game thread.
4) Once all guesses are ready, the cluegivers state their partner's guess, reveal the correct codes and tokens are assigned.
5) Start new round with switched cluegivers.

This avoids accidentally spoiling the code of the team with the keywords. You can still accidentally spoil the guess of the team without the keywords, but that is less critical.

Do we need time limits or do we just play as fast as we can?

Watno · « **Reply #11 on:** January 09, 2020, 02:34:12 pm »

ghostofmars' suggestions sound good.

I agree that we should have even teams, and there doesn't seem to be anyone else interested. Maybe we'll get another game going when people realize how much fun we're having.

I'll start the game now by making a qt for our team and creating a wordlist. Then I guess I'll just give the first clue for simplicity's sake.

Watno · « **Reply #12 on:** January 09, 2020, 03:01:06 pm »

My clue: Fall - Line - Jam

Other team can choose their own cluegiver i guess (maybe just whoever gets to it first)

Anyone know how to move the thread?

ghostofmars · « **Reply #13 on:** January 09, 2020, 03:11:53 pm »

I created the codewords and the quicktopic for faust and me. I let him confirm that he can access it and then start with our first clues.

Quote from: Watno on January 09, 2020, 03:01:06 pm

Anyone know how to move the thread?

In the very bottom of the page, above quickreply.

scolapasta · « **Reply #14 on:** January 09, 2020, 03:17:09 pm »

OK, so I'm not just new to Decrypto but also this QT thing.

Meaning I'm going to be extra careful and just make sure I do the right thing before I do it.

i.e now that Watno has given a clue, I have to come up with a 3 number answer (X-Y-Z). And I will post that not here, but in the QT? (is that so it can be discussed with other teammates, if and when we Expand to more than 4 players)?

ghostofmars · « **Reply #15 on:** January 09, 2020, 03:30:52 pm »

In the first round it doesn't really matter, because we will not guess anyway. In the future, it might happen that you post before us. If we accidentally read uncover the spoiler tags or you forget to use them, it can ruin the game.

The discussion with your teammate still happens in 4 player games, because you can discuss the clues of the other team.

Btw. search engines allowed or not?

scolapasta · « **Reply #16 on:** January 09, 2020, 03:43:06 pm »

I guess I'm not understanding why the guess of the other team is in spoilers (in the 2nd round).

i.e round 2 begins:
Watno gives a second set of clues. You (and your team) guess X-Y-Z. If wrong, I then guess A-B-C. Am I not supposed to know what X-Y-Z was before I guess A-B-C? (and in parallel we are also guessing D-E-F off your teams clue)

Sorry for all the questions...

scolapasta · « **Reply #17 on:** January 09, 2020, 03:43:29 pm »

Oh, and I vote no search engines)

ghostofmars · « **Reply #18 on:** January 09, 2020, 04:26:37 pm »

Quote from: scolapasta on January 09, 2020, 03:43:06 pm

Watno gives a second set of clues. You (and your team) guess X-Y-Z. If wrong, I then guess A-B-C. Am I not supposed to know what X-Y-Z was before I guess A-B-C? (and in parallel we are also guessing D-E-F off your teams clue)

In RL, we would write our guess on a sheet of paper and so would you. So neither we would be allowed to see A-B-C nor you would be allowed to see X-Y-Z before the correct answer is revealed.
To play the game by forum, we can make slight adjustments to make the game faster. Because you have more information than us (you know the codewords), us seeing A-B-C has a major impact on the game (hence posting it in the QT). In contrast, you seeing X-Y-Z does not have the same urgency, because if you have to rely on our guesses to figure out what Watno meant, you are probably in trouble anyway. Still you should try to make your guess without seeing our attempted encryption, hence the spoiler tags.

Watno · « **Reply #19 on:** January 09, 2020, 04:34:58 pm »

Quote from: scolapasta on January 09, 2020, 03:43:06 pm

I guess I'm not understanding why the guess of the other team is in spoilers (in the 2nd round).

i.e round 2 begins:
Watno gives a second set of clues. You (and your team) guess X-Y-Z. If wrong, I then guess A-B-C. Am I not supposed to know what X-Y-Z was before I guess A-B-C? (and in parallel we are also guessing D-E-F off your teams clue)

Sorry for all the questions...

You're not supposed to know the opposing team's guess before making your own, so don't look at the spoiler before making your guess.
If you accidentally do, it doesn't break the game, since their guess is likely wrong anyway (they don't know our words).
The guess is still posted in the game thread to skip a step in the communication.
It will go like this:
Team A: Our guess for your clue is: 1-2-3 (decided collectively in qt beforehand)
Team B: Our guess for your clue is: 3-2-1 (decided collectively in qt beforehand).
My partner's guess for our clue is: 1-2-4. (posted in qt by partner beforehand)
1-2-4 is correct.
Team A: My partner's guess for our clue is: 1-3-4.
3-1-4 is correct. (posted in qt by partner beforehand)

Ok with no search engines.

scolapasta · « **Reply #20 on:** January 09, 2020, 04:36:08 pm »

Got it and makes perfect sense.

scolapasta · « **Reply #21 on:** January 09, 2020, 04:37:22 pm »

(And I get why it doesn't really matter for Round 1, though I did post it in the QT)

faust · « **Reply #22 on:** January 10, 2020, 02:47:53 am »

My clue: Grow - India - Thumb

faust · « **Reply #23 on:** January 10, 2020, 05:08:52 am »

Okay, we have a guess.

ghost's guess for my clue was 4-2-1.

That is correct.

PS: I support the no search engines rule.

faust · « **Reply #24 on:** January 10, 2020, 05:13:28 am »

Is there any limitation on QT discussion? It seems there should be, like obviously it will be bad to tell the clue giver "if you want me to guess word 4 (POWER), say HAMSTER." So communication is only allowed about the opposing team's clues?

Alternatively we could also make a rule that all discussion must be public. I don't know how these things are handled in the IRL version.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #25 on:** January 10, 2020, 08:01:16 am »

According to the rules all clues must be based on public information, so I agree that one should only use the QT to discuss the other team's clues and to submit the guess. There are just 24 different codes, so even very little extra information can make it easy to beat the system.

Summary

team Watno + scolapasta
0 Interception tokens
0 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Fall - Line - Jam (code: 3-4-1, guess: 3-4-1, interception: N/A)
Clue for 1 Jam
Clue for 3 Fall
Clue for 4 Line

team faust + ghost
0 Interception tokens
0 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Grow - India - Thumb (code: 4-2-1, guess: 4-2-1, interception: N/A)
Clue for 1 Thumb
Clue for 2 India
Clue for 4 Grow

Watno · « **Reply #26 on:** January 10, 2020, 09:12:18 am »

Yeah, the only thing discussed in the it should be the opponents clue.

scolapasta correctly guesses 3-4-1

scolapasta and ghost should make clues now and post them here.

faust · « **Reply #27 on:** January 10, 2020, 10:19:25 am »

I'm abusing my moderator powers to update ghost's post.

scolapasta · « **Reply #28 on:** January 10, 2020, 01:23:14 pm »

Oh, I make the next clue? In other words, we alternate rounds. Got it.

scolapasta · « **Reply #29 on:** January 10, 2020, 01:25:30 pm »

Actually, one more question about what I do.

I'll go to that decrypto site, ignore the words (since we already have ours), and just click generate new code. Then using that code, I'll come up with a clue (x-y-z) and post that here.

Correct?

ghostofmars · « **Reply #30 on:** January 10, 2020, 02:32:11 pm »

Quote from: scolapasta on January 10, 2020, 01:25:30 pm

Actually, one more question about what I do.

I'll go to that decrypto site, ignore the words (since we already have ours), and just click generate new code. Then using that code, I'll come up with a clue (x-y-z) and post that here.

Correct?

Correct. Just keep in mind that you cannot get 3-4-1 (in this order) again, so if that happens just generate another code.

Also, I think it is my turn, too, so I have a code for faust.

Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers

scolapasta · « **Reply #31 on:** January 10, 2020, 03:28:54 pm »

So rather than just keep asking questions here, I decided to find the rulebook online. So I think I've got it all.

One thing, though, it did say you could have the same code again ("Put both Code cards used this round back into
their respective decks and shuffle. It is possible to draw the same code from one round to the next")

Here are my clues for this round:

Prize - Ocean - Fire

faust · « **Reply #32 on:** January 10, 2020, 06:17:26 pm »

Quote from: ghostofmars on January 10, 2020, 02:32:11 pm

Correct. Just keep in mind that you cannot get 3-4-1 (in this order) again, so if that happens just generate another code.

Also, I think it is my turn, too, so I have a code for faust.

Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers

Thematic clues, I love it!

faust · « **Reply #33 on:** January 12, 2020, 12:43:13 pm »

Our guess for your team's clue is 2-3-4.

scolapasta · « **Reply #34 on:** January 12, 2020, 02:01:57 pm »

Our guess for your clue is: 4-3-1
My partner's guess for our clue is: 4-3-1.
4-3-1 is correct.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #35 on:** January 13, 2020, 03:13:12 am »

I tried to be too clever for my own good

. Sorry, faust.

Summary

team Watno + scolapasta
0 Interception tokens
0 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Fall - Line - Jam (code: 3-4-1, guess: 3-4-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Prize - Ocean - Fire (code 4-3-1, guess: 4-3-1, interception: 2-3-4)
Clue for 1 Jam, Fire
Clue for 3 Fall, Ocean
Clue for 4 Line, Prize

team faust + ghost
0 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Grow - India - Thumb (code: 4-2-1, guess: 4-2-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers (code 2-1-4, guess 2-3-1, interception: 4-3-1)
Clue for 1 Thumb, Blueberries
Clue for 2 India, Oranges
Clue for 4 Grow, Cucumbers

faust and Watno, your turn to give clues again

faust · « **Reply #36 on:** January 13, 2020, 06:46:32 am »

Next clue is Tank - Explode - Gas.

Watno · « **Reply #37 on:** January 13, 2020, 03:13:04 pm »

Smithy - Blood - Rock

Watno · « **Reply #38 on:** January 15, 2020, 02:43:52 am »

Guessing 1-4-3 for your clue.

faust · « **Reply #39 on:** January 15, 2020, 03:45:19 am »

Our guess for your clue is 2-3-4.

For our clue:
ghostofmars guessed 2-3-4
Team Watno-scolapasta guessed 1-4-3.
2-3-4 is correct!

Watno · « **Reply #40 on:** January 15, 2020, 09:35:53 am »

Scolapasta guesses 1-2-3 for our clue.

Correct code is 4-2-3.

Both guesses are wrong, that's a miscommunication for us

scolapasta · « **Reply #41 on:** January 15, 2020, 10:22:35 am »

Ugh.

Are we allowed to post mortem a round (in our QT, of course), i.e. discuss our clues and guesses?

faust · « **Reply #42 on:** January 15, 2020, 10:46:26 am »

I would say no. That gives too many ways to influence the upcoming clues.

faust · « **Reply #43 on:** January 15, 2020, 10:52:30 am »

Stepping in ghost's footsteps!

Summary

team Watno + scolapasta
0 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Fall - Line - Jam (code: 3-4-1, guess: 3-4-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Prize - Ocean - Fire (code 4-3-1, guess: 4-3-1, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 3 Smithy - Blood - Rock (code 4-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 2-3-4)
Clue for 1 Jam, Fire
Clue for 2 Blood
Clue for 3 Fall, Ocean, Rock
Clue for 4 Line, Prize, Smithy

team faust + ghost
0 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Grow - India - Thumb (code: 4-2-1, guess: 4-2-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers (code 2-1-4, guess 2-3-1, interception: 4-3-1)
Round 3 Tank - Explode - Gas (code 2-3-4, guess 2-3-4, interception: 1-4-3)
Clue for 1 Thumb, Blueberries
Clue for 2 India, Oranges, Tank
Clue for 3 Explode
Clue for 4 Grow, Cucumbers, Gas

scolapasta · « **Reply #44 on:** January 15, 2020, 11:02:31 am »

Quote from: faust on January 15, 2020, 10:46:26 am

I would say no. That gives too many ways to influence the upcoming clues.

OK, that's fair (and why I asked). I'll save it for end of game.

faust · « **Reply #45 on:** January 15, 2020, 11:11:39 am »

Quote from: scolapasta on January 15, 2020, 11:02:31 am

Quote from: faust on January 15, 2020, 10:46:26 am
I would say no. That gives too many ways to influence the upcoming clues.

OK, that's fair (and why I asked). I'll save it for end of game.

Of course you're free to discuss your clues in this thread

ghostofmars · « **Reply #46 on:** January 15, 2020, 12:58:39 pm »

Next clue
America - Hunt - Court

scolapasta · « **Reply #47 on:** January 15, 2020, 05:49:31 pm »

SCALE-MIRROR-CHILD

bitwise · « **Reply #48 on:** January 16, 2020, 12:40:04 am »

Just interjecting to let you all know that I'd be interested in playing this or a future iteration.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #49 on:** January 17, 2020, 11:01:35 am »

Our guess for your clue is 3-1-2

scolapasta · « **Reply #50 on:** January 17, 2020, 02:01:08 pm »

Out of curiosity, where is everyone located (at least time zone wise). I'm in USA, East coast.
(though next week I'm traveling for work in Norway.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #51 on:** January 17, 2020, 02:03:10 pm »

Quote from: scolapasta on January 17, 2020, 02:01:08 pm

Out of curiosity, where is everyone located (at least time zone wise). I'm in USA, East coast.
(though next week I'm traveling for work in Norway.

Austria

faust · « **Reply #52 on:** January 17, 2020, 03:28:03 pm »

I'm in Germany.

Watno · « **Reply #53 on:** January 18, 2020, 08:46:37 am »

I'm in Germany as well.
Have been busy the last couple of evenings, sorry about the slowdown?

scolapasta · « **Reply #54 on:** January 18, 2020, 12:48:59 pm »

No problem - from the timing of posts, it seemed you were all in Europe. At least for next week, we'll all be same time zone.

Our guess for your clue is: 1-3-4
My partner's guess for our clue is: 3-2-4.
3-2-4 is correct.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #55 on:** January 18, 2020, 04:53:17 pm »

faust guessed correctly 3-2-1

Summary

team Watno + scolapasta
0 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Fall - Line - Jam (code: 3-4-1, guess: 3-4-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Prize - Ocean - Fire (code: 4-3-1, guess: 4-3-1, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 3 Smithy - Blood - Rock (code: 4-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 4 SCALE - MIRROR - CHILD (code: 3-2-4, guess: 3-2-4, interception: 3-1-2)
Clue for 1 Jam, Fire
Clue for 2 Blood, MIRROR
Clue for 3 Fall, Ocean, Rock, SCALE
Clue for 4 Line, Prize, Smithy, CHILD

team faust + ghost
0 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Grow - India - Thumb (code: 4-2-1, guess: 4-2-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers (code: 2-1-4, guess: 2-3-1, interception: 4-3-1)
Round 3 Tank - Explode - Gas (code: 2-3-4, guess: 2-3-4, interception: 1-4-3)
Round 4 America - Hunt - Court (code: 3-2-1, guess: 3-2-1, interception: 1-3-4)
Clue for 1 Thumb, Blueberries, Court
Clue for 2 India, Oranges, Tank, Hunt
Clue for 3 Explode, America
Clue for 4 Grow, Cucumbers, Gas

back to Watno and faust

faust · « **Reply #56 on:** January 18, 2020, 06:16:42 pm »

Next clue is Paris-Game-Pattern.

Watno · « **Reply #57 on:** January 19, 2020, 07:11:11 am »

I accidentally posted an invalid clue. Did anyone see it?

scolapasta · « **Reply #58 on:** January 19, 2020, 11:19:25 am »

I didn't.

Watno · « **Reply #59 on:** January 19, 2020, 11:21:59 am »

I hope that means noone saw it.
Here's a new attempt:
Kill - Small - Climb

faust · « **Reply #60 on:** January 19, 2020, 11:52:11 am »

I saw it... and I posted my thoughts in our QT. I'll go delete that post, but I don't know if ghost saw it.

Watno · « **Reply #61 on:** January 19, 2020, 11:58:31 am »

Since It's my fault, I suggest you just keep working with both clues and we just use the legal one.

Then after the round we reveal the illegal clue so scolapasta can take into account the connections you have for the upcoming clues.

Is that okay with everyone?

Sorry about the screwup.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #62 on:** January 19, 2020, 12:56:48 pm »

I saw neither Watno's clue nor Faust 's comment

faust · « **Reply #63 on:** January 19, 2020, 04:33:34 pm »

Our guess for you clue is 1-2-3.

Watno · « **Reply #64 on:** January 20, 2020, 02:16:36 am »

Scolapasta guesses 1-2-3.
We guess 1-2-3 for your clue.

1-2-3 is correct for ours - Interception

ghostofmars · « **Reply #65 on:** January 20, 2020, 03:03:38 am »

I let faust check this, otherwise it is game over anyway.

Summary

team Watno + scolapasta
0 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Fall - Line - Jam (code: 3-4-1, guess: 3-4-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Prize - Ocean - Fire (code: 4-3-1, guess: 4-3-1, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 3 Smithy - Blood - Rock (code: 4-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 4 SCALE - MIRROR - CHILD (code: 3-2-4, guess: 3-2-4, interception: 3-1-2)
Round 4 Kill - Small - Climb (code: 1-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 1-2-3)
Clue for 1 Jam, Fire, Kill
Clue for 2 Blood, MIRROR, Small
Clue for 3 Fall, Ocean, Rock, SCALE, Climb
Clue for 4 Line, Prize, Smithy, CHILD

team faust + ghost
1 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Grow - India - Thumb (code: 4-2-1, guess: 4-2-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers (code: 2-1-4, guess: 2-3-1, interception: 4-3-1)
Round 3 Tank - Explode - Gas (code: 2-3-4, guess: 2-3-4, interception: 1-4-3)
Round 4 America - Hunt - Court (code: 3-2-1, guess: 3-2-1, interception: 1-3-4)
Round 5 Paris - Game - Pattern (code: 4-1-2, guess: 4-1-2, interception: 1-2-3)
Clue for 1 Thumb, Blueberries, Court, Game
Clue for 2 India, Oranges, Tank, Hunt, Pattern
Clue for 3 Explode, America
Clue for 4 Grow, Cucumbers, Gas, Paris

scolapasta · « **Reply #66 on:** January 20, 2020, 03:33:00 am »

Why game over?

faust · « **Reply #67 on:** January 20, 2020, 04:05:37 am »

Quote from: scolapasta on January 20, 2020, 03:33:00 am

Why game over?

Oh no, if ghost got my clue wrong, it would be game over. But it's correct, so we continue playing.

faust · « **Reply #68 on:** January 20, 2020, 04:13:33 am »

I've just noticed that technically - according to the rules -, if team A gives a clue and team B successfully intercepts, then team A does not need to guess their own clue. So your team's guess does not need to be revealed if interception happened, and you can't receive miscommunication tokens for it.

I've stumbled upon this while researching what would happen if a team gains their second interception and miscommunication token in the same round. The answer then is: interception happens first, so they would still win.

scolapasta · « **Reply #69 on:** January 20, 2020, 04:33:41 am »

Quote from: faust on January 20, 2020, 04:13:33 am

I've just noticed that technically - according to the rules -, if team A gives a clue and team B successfully intercepts, then team A does not need to guess their own clue. So your team's guess does not need to be revealed if interception happened, and you can't receive miscommunication tokens for it.

I've stumbled upon this while researching what would happen if a team gains their second interception and miscommunication token in the same round. The answer then is: interception happens first, so they would still win.

Are you sure? This is what I see:

"Therefore, it is possible that one team receives a
Miscommunication token (because they misinterpreted
their Encryptor’s clues), while the opposing team
receives an Interception token (because they successfully
intercepted their opponents’ code) in the same round."

faust · « **Reply #70 on:** January 20, 2020, 04:53:11 am »

Quote from: scolapasta on January 20, 2020, 04:33:41 am

Quote from: faust on January 20, 2020, 04:13:33 am
I've just noticed that technically - according to the rules -, if team A gives a clue and team B successfully intercepts, then team A does not need to guess their own clue. So your team's guess does not need to be revealed if interception happened, and you can't receive miscommunication tokens for it.

I've stumbled upon this while researching what would happen if a team gains their second interception and miscommunication token in the same round. The answer then is: interception happens first, so they would still win.

Are you sure? This is what I see:

"Therefore, it is possible that one team receives a
Miscommunication token (because they misinterpreted
their Encryptor’s clues), while the opposing team
receives an Interception token (because they successfully
intercepted their opponents’ code) in the same round."

You're right. I was just going off of the short blurb that Watno posted in the OP, but the actual rules state that it works differently.

scolapasta · « **Reply #71 on:** January 20, 2020, 06:03:46 am »

Quote from: Watno on January 19, 2020, 11:58:31 am

Since It's my fault, I suggest you just keep working with both clues and we just use the legal one.

Then after the round we reveal the illegal clue so scolapasta can take into account the connections you have for the upcoming clues.

Is that okay with everyone?

Sorry about the screwup.

Are we planning on revealing this now? Or not, since ghost also did not see it? I'm fine either way, but if we decide to reveal, would like to know before I come up with my clue for the round.

faust · « **Reply #72 on:** January 20, 2020, 06:15:19 am »

I'm okay with not revealing it.

Watno · « **Reply #73 on:** January 20, 2020, 06:55:13 am »

We need to reveal it.
Otherwise there's a danger of scolapasta making a clue which is obvious from the illegal clue I gave, without having a chance of knowing that beforehand

ghostofmars · « **Reply #74 on:** January 20, 2020, 07:32:27 am »

My clue for round 6:

Building - Monarch - Water

faust · « **Reply #75 on:** January 20, 2020, 09:36:38 am »

Quote from: Watno on January 20, 2020, 06:55:13 am

We need to reveal it.
Otherwise there's a danger of scolapasta making a clue which is obvious from the illegal clue I gave, without having a chance of knowing that beforehand

I thought you might want to keep it secret since then not all of our team has an extra clue to help us figure things out. But I can see that angle too. Basically, it's up to you and if you want to reveal, then sure.

Watno · « **Reply #76 on:** January 20, 2020, 09:59:09 am »

I'll reveal it to just scolapasta then.
Please don't feel pressured to try not using it in your deductions though

scolapasta · « **Reply #77 on:** January 21, 2020, 09:50:31 am »

My clue:

DaVinci-Vision-Financial

scolapasta · « **Reply #78 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:00:43 am »

Our guess for your clue is 4-1-3

faust · « **Reply #79 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:12:56 am »

Our guess for your clue is 1-2-3. I'll let ghost make the reveal as he gave the clue.

faust · « **Reply #80 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:14:26 am »

Teaser: My guess for ghost's clue was the same as yours. So that can't be good.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #81 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:53:49 am »

faust's guess and your interception are correct

Summary

team Watno + scolapasta
1 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Fall - Line - Jam (code: 3-4-1, guess: 3-4-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Prize - Ocean - Fire (code: 4-3-1, guess: 4-3-1, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 3 Smithy - Blood - Rock (code: 4-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 4 SCALE - MIRROR - CHILD (code: 3-2-4, guess: 3-2-4, interception: 3-1-2)
Round 5 Kill - Small - Climb (code: 1-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 1-2-3)
Round 6 DaVinci - Vision - Financial (code: ?, guess: ?, interception: 1-2-3)

Clue for 1 Jam, Fire, Kill
Clue for 2 Blood, MIRROR, Small
Clue for 3 Fall, Ocean, Rock, SCALE, Climb
Clue for 4 Line, Prize, Smithy, CHILD

team faust + ghost
1 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Grow - India - Thumb (code: 4-2-1, guess: 4-2-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers (code: 2-1-4, guess: 2-3-1, interception: 4-3-1)
Round 3 Tank - Explode - Gas (code: 2-3-4, guess: 2-3-4, interception: 1-4-3)
Round 4 America - Hunt - Court (code: 3-2-1, guess: 3-2-1, interception: 1-3-4)
Round 5 Paris - Game - Pattern (code: 4-1-2, guess: 4-1-2, interception: 1-2-3)
Round 6 Building - Monarch - Water (code: 4-1-3, guess: 4-1-3, interception: 4-1-3)
Clue for 1 Thumb, Blueberries, Court, Game, Monarch
Clue for 2 India, Oranges, Tank, Hunt, Pattern
Clue for 3 Explode, America, Water
Clue for 4 Grow, Cucumbers, Gas, Paris, Building

scolapasta · « **Reply #82 on:** January 22, 2020, 10:57:15 am »

Code was 4-2-3, Watno's guess was 4-2-3.

Looks like we're all tied up!

faust · « **Reply #83 on:** January 22, 2020, 11:46:17 am »

Oh boy, this is too exciting for me.

scolapasta · « **Reply #84 on:** January 22, 2020, 11:58:05 am »

Quote from: faust on January 22, 2020, 11:46:17 am

Oh boy, this is too exciting for me.

I know, right? As my first ever Decrypto game, this has been great!

(I can't wait for the post-mortem)

faust · « **Reply #85 on:** January 22, 2020, 04:25:50 pm »

Here it goes!

Bend - Paper - Preserve

Watno · « **Reply #86 on:** January 23, 2020, 07:44:54 am »

Range - Hang - Tie

faust · « **Reply #87 on:** January 24, 2020, 08:54:39 am »

We guess 2-3-4 for your clue.

Watno · « **Reply #88 on:** January 24, 2020, 12:51:42 pm »

scolapasta guesses 1-3-4, which is correct
We guess 1-3-4 for yours as well.

faust · « **Reply #89 on:** January 24, 2020, 02:22:51 pm »

ghost guessed 1-2-3 for our clue, which is correct.

faust · « **Reply #90 on:** January 24, 2020, 02:25:48 pm »

Summary

team Watno + scolapasta
1 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Fall - Line - Jam (code: 3-4-1, guess: 3-4-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Prize - Ocean - Fire (code: 4-3-1, guess: 4-3-1, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 3 Smithy - Blood - Rock (code: 4-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 4 SCALE - MIRROR - CHILD (code: 3-2-4, guess: 3-2-4, interception: 3-1-2)
Round 5 Kill - Small - Climb (code: 1-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 1-2-3)
Round 6 DaVinci - Vision - Financial (code: 4-2-3, guess: 4-2-3, interception: 1-2-3)
Round 7 Range - Hang - Tie (code: 1-3-4, guess: 1-3-4, interception: 2-3-4)

Clue for 1 Jam, Fire, Kill, Range
Clue for 2 Blood, Mirror, Small, Vision
Clue for 3 Fall, Ocean, Rock, Scale, Climb, Financial, Hang
Clue for 4 Line, Prize, Smithy, Child, DaVinci, Tie

team faust + ghost
1 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Grow - India - Thumb (code: 4-2-1, guess: 4-2-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers (code: 2-1-4, guess: 2-3-1, interception: 4-3-1)
Round 3 Tank - Explode - Gas (code: 2-3-4, guess: 2-3-4, interception: 1-4-3)
Round 4 America - Hunt - Court (code: 3-2-1, guess: 3-2-1, interception: 1-3-4)
Round 5 Paris - Game - Pattern (code: 4-1-2, guess: 4-1-2, interception: 1-2-3)
Round 6 Building - Monarch - Water (code: 4-1-3, guess: 4-1-3, interception: 4-1-3)
Round 7 Bend - Paper - Preserve (code: 1-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 1-3-4)

Clue for 1 Thumb, Blueberries, Court, Game, Monarch, Bend
Clue for 2 India, Oranges, Tank, Hunt, Pattern, Paper
Clue for 3 Explode, America, Water, Preserve
Clue for 4 Grow, Cucumbers, Gas, Paris, Building

faust · « **Reply #91 on:** January 24, 2020, 02:26:03 pm »

Final round coming up!

Watno · « **Reply #92 on:** January 24, 2020, 02:30:24 pm »

Final round incoming.

Remember that if o team has won after round 8, both teams try to guess their opponent's words, and the team that gets more correct wins.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #93 on:** January 25, 2020, 01:14:10 am »

Menagerie - Venus - Largest

scolapasta · « **Reply #94 on:** January 25, 2020, 07:10:06 am »

Close-Ski-Arm

ghostofmars · « **Reply #95 on:** January 27, 2020, 02:03:10 am »

We guess 2 - 4 - 1 for your code.

scolapasta · « **Reply #96 on:** January 27, 2020, 04:48:20 pm »

Our guess for your clue is: 1-4-3
My partner's guess for our clue is: 2-1-4.
2-3-1 was correct - that's our 2nd miscommunication.

So for a tie after this round, we need either for to also have miscommunicated or for us to have intercepted (with both getting us the win).

🤞

ghostofmars · « **Reply #97 on:** January 28, 2020, 02:38:06 am »

Final result

team Watno + scolapasta
1 Interception tokens
2 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Fall - Line - Jam (code: 3-4-1, guess: 3-4-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Prize - Ocean - Fire (code: 4-3-1, guess: 4-3-1, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 3 Smithy - Blood - Rock (code: 4-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 4 SCALE - MIRROR - CHILD (code: 3-2-4, guess: 3-2-4, interception: 3-1-2)
Round 5 Kill - Small - Climb (code: 1-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 1-2-3)
Round 6 DaVinci - Vision - Financial (code: 4-2-3, guess: 4-2-3, interception: 1-2-3)
Round 7 Range - Hang - Tie (code: 1-3-4, guess: 1-3-4, interception: 2-3-4)
Round 8 Close - Ski - Arm (code: 2-3-1, guess: 2-1-4, interception: 2-4-1)
Clue for 1 Jam, Fire, Kill, Range, Arm
Clue for 2 Blood, Mirror, Small, Vision, Close
Clue for 3 Fall, Ocean, Rock, Scale, Climb, Financial, Hang, Ski
Clue for 4 Line, Prize, Smithy, Child, DaVinci, Tie

team faust + ghost
1 Interception tokens
1 Miscommunication tokens
Round 1 Grow - India - Thumb (code: 4-2-1, guess: 4-2-1, interception: N/A)
Round 2 Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers (code: 2-1-4, guess: 2-3-1, interception: 4-3-1)
Round 3 Tank - Explode - Gas (code: 2-3-4, guess: 2-3-4, interception: 1-4-3)
Round 4 America - Hunt - Court (code: 3-2-1, guess: 3-2-1, interception: 1-3-4)
Round 5 Paris - Game - Pattern (code: 4-1-2, guess: 4-1-2, interception: 1-2-3)
Round 6 Building - Monarch - Water (code: 4-1-3, guess: 4-1-3, interception: 4-1-3)
Round 7 Bend - Paper - Preserve (code: 1-2-3, guess: 1-2-3, interception: 1-3-4)
Round 8 Menagerie - Venus - Largest (code: 2-4-3, guess: 2-4-3, interception: 1-4-3)

Clue for 1 Thumb, Blueberries, Court, Game, Monarch, Bend
Clue for 2 India, Oranges, Tank, Hunt, Pattern, Paper, Menagerie
Clue for 3 Explode, America, Water, Preserve, Largest
Clue for 4 Grow, Cucumbers, Gas, Paris, Building, Venus

Yeah, my misdirection worked

Do you want to guess our words or should we just reveal the quicktopic?

faust · « **Reply #98 on:** January 28, 2020, 02:42:23 am »

We guessed the following words for you:

1: Gun
2: Eye
3: Cliff
4 was the hardest one. Right now I lean towards Painting.

faust · « **Reply #99 on:** January 28, 2020, 02:44:18 am »

I can also state now that to this day I have no idea how the Blueberries clue connects to 1.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #100 on:** January 28, 2020, 03:47:37 am »

Quote from: faust on January 28, 2020, 02:44:18 am

I can also state now that to this day I have no idea how the Blueberries clue connects to 1.

In hindsight that was not a good clue, because it uses a bad kind of clue difficulty. Good clue difficulty is hard for the opponents and easy for your own team, this was just equally hard for both teams.

My idea at the time was to give minimal differences between the words as to uncover as least as possible about the hidden code words. So I came up with a property that I could link to all the clues and then added one layer of obfuscation. This obfuscation is bad, because both your own team and the opponents need the same effort to work it out. I tried to hint at the obfuscation with the words chosen, but obviously that failed. Given the three words Oranges - Blueberries - Cucumbers, can you guess which property, I wanted to hint at? It was the colors orange - blue - green.

Now that still doesn't explain the connection with the words, while orange and green should be obvious, I had two reasons to believe blue could be decoded. The stronger one is that the fruit would have been Bananas otherwise. The weaker one is the infamous "Blue Dog" rule explanation in Dominion.

scolapasta · « **Reply #101 on:** January 28, 2020, 10:53:22 am »

Damnit! We did briefly consider 2 for Menagerie.

We're fairly certain 4 is Greenhouse.
And I JUST now figure out 3, I think: Old Faithful (for a while we were thinking Fireworks)

1 and 2? 1 maybe something like King, and I think we're still stumped on two.

Watno, anything to add?

scolapasta · « **Reply #102 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:01:40 am »

I have lots for post mortem about our clues. Though I'll likely have to post piecemeal.

Our words:
Rifle
Microscope
Cliff
Drawing

Trying to come up with an 8th clue for Cliff?? Man.

The one I missed Smithy made perfect sense after, and I'm sad I didn't even consider the Dominion aspect. I also really liked Tie.

Watno, questions on any of my clues?

Also some rules questions:
1) If on the last round say we hadn't already had a miscommunication, could we have just given a nonsense clue? Or, ias I assume, that's not quite in the spirit of the rules, but a very farfetched connection would be ok?

2) For a word like microscope, which is compound, could we have given clues to point to just one part of the word? Even if we used a meaning of the word that did not related to the whole? e.g. Mouthwash to refer to "Scope", which is a brand of mouthwash*

(*) I still might not have, because I don't know if Scope is well known outside the USA

3) What happens for accidental illegal clues? i.e. I almost gave Bar, for Cliff, because of the snack bar (again not sure how well known outside the USA, but looking now it turns out it's actually Clif with only one F

scolapasta · « **Reply #103 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:06:28 am »

Just red your spoilers? How about Tiger for your number 2?

scolapasta · « **Reply #104 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:08:59 am »

Ugh, I just realized how close we were - I kept trying to think of an animal to associate with #2 and I was thinking Elephant (due to India) or maybe Zebra (due to pattern) If Tiger had popped into my head then, I would have been sure "Paper Tigers" and we would have intercepted!

scolapasta · « **Reply #105 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:13:35 am »

Oh (and sorry for all posts), and congratulations to faust and ghostofmars, you guys did a great job of stumping us throughout the 8 rounds. Great game!

faust · « **Reply #106 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:47:58 am »

Quote from: scolapasta on January 28, 2020, 11:01:40 am

Also some rules questions:
1) If on the last round say we hadn't already had a miscommunication, could we have just given a nonsense clue? Or, ias I assume, that's not quite in the spirit of the rules, but a very farfetched connection would be ok?

2) For a word like microscope, which is compound, could we have given clues to point to just one part of the word? Even if we used a meaning of the word that did not related to the whole? e.g. Mouthwash to refer to "Scope", which is a brand of mouthwash*

(*) I still might not have, because I don't know if Scope is well known outside the USA

3) What happens for accidental illegal clues? i.e. I almost gave Bar, for Cliff, because of the snack bar (again not sure how well known outside the USA, but looking now it turns out it's actually Clif with only one F

1) I think according to the rules if there is no winner after 8 rounds, the team with the better token balance wins (before doing the word guess thing). So unless you have 0 miscommunications and 1 interception, and the opposing team has 1 miscommunication and 0 interceptions, I don't think nonsense clues help.

I don't know about 2 and 3, but would generally try to limit to clues which relate to one meaning of the complete word. Though ghost did try to give 2 clues that would have violated 2. It's a thin line as usually things that fit with one part of the compound will fit the whole thing to some extent.

faust · « **Reply #107 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:49:03 am »

Our words (don't think spoilers are needed anymore):

Rule
Tiger
Yellowstone
Greenhouse

QT is here.

faust · « **Reply #108 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:52:20 am »

You had Rifle/Microscope and gave the Blood clue for Microscope? That's quite dangerous.

faust · « **Reply #109 on:** January 28, 2020, 11:53:33 am »

For the record I know of neither Scope nor Clif, even though I've lived in the US for 3 months.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #110 on:** January 28, 2020, 01:31:09 pm »

Reading our own QT I realized that we discussed Drawing for 4 and neither of us noticed the connection to Smithy

ghostofmars · « **Reply #111 on:** January 29, 2020, 02:54:12 am »

In round 4 and 6 my clues were rather straight forward, but in the last round I was relatively sure that you got Rule and Greenhouse, but did not know Tiger yet. Hence I chose a word that intentionally overlapped with both Rule and Tiger but being a bit closer to Tiger. I don't know how easy it was for faust to work out the difference, but I am glad it ultimately worked out.

Would anybody be up for another round?

scolapasta · « **Reply #112 on:** January 29, 2020, 10:28:48 am »

I went the same way of trying to find more vague clues on Round 8 with: Close, Ski, and Arm

(not knowing you were thinking eye I was hoping the verb / adjective definitions of Close would be confusing)
Same with Arm for weapons vs body part, though that confused Watno more than y'all.
And ski was my attempt to be vague on Cliff, which I was assuming you knew. It worked in that you missed it, but failed in that so did Watno,

I am definitely in for another round.

scolapasta · « **Reply #113 on:** January 29, 2020, 10:29:09 am »

Oh, and here's our QT:

https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fDZj3KgL9U7w

Watno · « **Reply #114 on:** January 29, 2020, 12:47:52 pm »

Congratulations.

I guess I overthought the last clue. I thought you wouldn't really ski at a cliff.

I'd be up for another, and we had 2 more people interested as well.
Go for a game with 6?

scolapasta · « **Reply #115 on:** January 29, 2020, 12:52:28 pm »

Quote from: Watno on January 29, 2020, 12:47:52 pm

Congratulations.

I guess I overthought the last clue. I thought you wouldn't really ski at a cliff.

I'd be up for another, and we had 2 more people interested as well.
Go for a game with 6?

Like I said, 8 clues for Cliff was a tall order.

Happy to add a team member!

faust · « **Reply #116 on:** January 29, 2020, 01:01:32 pm »

I sent out messages to bitwise and Uncleeurope, who expressed interest in playing.

bitwise · « **Reply #117 on:** January 29, 2020, 01:20:42 pm »

Thanks for the PM! I'm still interested.

Uncleeurope · « **Reply #118 on:** January 30, 2020, 05:53:08 pm »

Hi, I still have interest, although I am a lot busier now.

In theory I should be fine to join, though.

ghostofmars · « **Reply #119 on:** January 31, 2020, 03:07:34 am »

I created a topic for the second game http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=20097.0

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