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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #725 on: January 21, 2020, 06:10:29 pm »

Nah I didn't kill Awaclus

There go those theories. Unless you are lying

But I am more and more pointed in the direction of archetype

Between the role, being off-wagon, and my gut....

Vote: archetype
Off wagon on what exactly? The two town lynches I opposed? Or does that only count when talking about scum?

Only bored that count are ones after I subbed in

That was supposed to be voted, not bored
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #726 on: January 21, 2020, 06:11:42 pm »

And nothing changes about how I’ll flip since shraeye was town too

How do you describe your role given Shraeye was Town? Doesn’t Miller/Death Miller by definition mean you’ll investigate and flip scum, even though you’re Town? What point is there in being Town... who investigates/flips based on... a Town player?
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #727 on: January 21, 2020, 06:11:50 pm »

Ah, perhaps I wasn’t clear:

My passive Vanilla-izer ability is triggered on ANY night after I’m lynched, not just D4.

That makes more sense than a random day.
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #728 on: January 21, 2020, 06:12:34 pm »

And nothing changes about how I’ll flip since shraeye was town too

How do you describe your role given Shraeye was Town? Doesn’t Miller/Death Miller by definition mean you’ll investigate and flip scum, even though you’re Town? What point is there in being Town... who investigates/flips based on... a Town player?
I don’t make the role names, just say them
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #729 on: January 21, 2020, 06:14:09 pm »

Nah I didn't kill Awaclus

There go those theories. Unless you are lying

But I am more and more pointed in the direction of archetype

Between the role, being off-wagon, and my gut....

Vote: archetype
Off wagon on what exactly? The two town lynches I opposed? Or does that only count when talking about scum?

Only bored that count are ones after I subbed in

That was supposed to be voted, not bored
Idk how well that reasoning fairs given a reread of the game
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #730 on: January 21, 2020, 06:18:59 pm »

Nah I didn't kill Awaclus

There go those theories. Unless you are lying

But I am more and more pointed in the direction of archetype

Between the role, being off-wagon, and my gut....

Vote: archetype
Off wagon on what exactly? The two town lynches I opposed? Or does that only count when talking about scum?

Only bored that count are ones after I subbed in

That was supposed to be voted, not bored
Idk how well that reasoning fairs given a reread of the game

It was actually just meant to be humorous.

But really all you have done voting-wise is tunnel me (joth). So don't pretend like it was through much internal debate and strife that after much deliberation decided where to vote.

You found joth scummy and have stuck to it. And luckily for you I haven't died so you haven't needed to switch up your tunnel
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #731 on: January 21, 2020, 06:21:02 pm »

Anyway, it is way past my bedtime. All you people in American time zones have fun now
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #732 on: January 21, 2020, 06:21:54 pm »

So how does the off-wagon argument play into that? Why is not voting EFHW scummy and not voting a townread tunneling?
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #733 on: January 21, 2020, 10:02:16 pm »

Oh! Tuesday night wine tasting! Accidental DAMA! Wtf....I have to write tomorrow. What have I done??
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #734 on: January 22, 2020, 10:02:08 am »

Morning now...oof. What an ill-considered Tuesday night activity.

E, thank you for the hard work. On my list for today was a reread of everything in light of team Awa/EFHW by this was helpful of a consolidation than id have had time for.

Awaclus targeted me last night but I don’t have a QT with him because he died. I don’t have any other neighhoods today.

In regard to DatSwan....I only know why he says that he targeted me. It should be the case that if he was telling the truth, someone else can speak to that today. If this doesn’t happen soon, he’s my best bet for scum. He did not tell me the other features of his role. Cagey, that one.

I am also aware there is a not-town odd-night bus driver in the game.  I don’t think we have seen that flip (please correct me if I am wrong), so I assume they are still here.

Finally, I am not interested in lynching Galzy. More powers aren’t super powerful, but they are more useful for us now than they were initially so I’d rather not lose them. I don’t think it’s likely he’s that kind of lynchproof and scum. If he’s a third party, then he killed scum and I’m okay with that.

So, I don’t prefer to lynch e or Galzy
Still uncertain about pops but find them more town than not
DTL archetype or Swan (depending on if he can verify his target/power last night or not)
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #735 on: January 23, 2020, 12:53:52 am »

Yikes. This is moving at lightning pace.

My preference of lynch goes:

Archetype = 2.718 > Datswan >> Pops =/> WCD

Just to be different, vote: 2.718
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #736 on: January 23, 2020, 03:39:31 am »

Things I want to know:

pops - Did you kill Awaclus last night?

WCD/Swan - did you discuss Swan's role yesterday?
 - If yes, WCD - should Swan claim?  Do you think they are town?

Archetype - Can you confirm exactly what shraeye's flip means in relation to your role

We did discuss it. I see no point in not claiming.

I am essentially a survivor zombie. I have a compulsive ability that requires me to target a player each night, whom will be turned into a zombie. I do not get why it is a compulsive ability, as my win con is to be alive when the game ends and have a certain percent of zombies in the game. I obviously, am also a zombie.

There is a further confusion, which is that my ability is enabled by something. I think it is a player. But as long as it is active/the player is alive/whatever it is, the compulsive nature of my ability stands. I say confusion, because based upon my win con I do no see why I would not target someone every night anyways.

I have a second ability which is to appear as "human" when checked, instead of zombie. But I cannot use it the same night I use the ability to turn someone in a zombie. That was the primary reason I had at first for thinking that skum=zombies way back when.

I also have a third ability that allows me, or anyone, to eat a brain. The brain does not belong to anyone, it is just like a random brain.

Night Zero I did not have to target. And did not.
Night 1 I targeted Shraeye - which is why I did not want to lynch Shraeye. I also used my ability to eat a brain for myself.
Night 2 I targeted WCD obviously. I attempted to use my ability on myself again, but it did not work.
Night 3 I targeted Awaclus. Which did not work out. I used my ability on myself to eat a brain again to prevent from going romeo.

Outside of that IDK what to give. i had a read on EFHW and it was right. Awaclus doesn't change a whole hell of a lot but I will run some VCA anyways to be sure. I do not think that WCD or Galz are skum. I do think I have other zombie partners out there I may not know about.
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #737 on: January 23, 2020, 07:40:54 am »

Yikes. This is moving at lightning pace.

My preference of lynch goes:

Archetype = 2.718 > Datswan >> Pops =/> WCD

Just to be different, vote: 2.718

Talk to me, Galzy. Why is e up there with Archie?
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #738 on: January 23, 2020, 07:44:00 am »

Archetype, what’s your view of e’s assessment of the game so far? What does your chum to scum list look like?
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #739 on: January 23, 2020, 11:31:14 am »

Yikes. This is moving at lightning pace.

My preference of lynch goes:

Archetype = 2.718 > Datswan >> Pops =/> WCD

Just to be different, vote: 2.718

Talk to me, Galzy. Why is e up there with Archie?

Well, in e’s defense, he’s been rather townie. It’s his predecessor Joth that I found scummy.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #740 on: January 23, 2020, 12:52:42 pm »

My parents are in town right now so I have not been very active the last couple days after my initial posts.

Datswan's claim is very interesting and seems to fit in place with everything.

My concern with datswan is that I think the last mafia member is a zombie so datswan isn't necessarily going to help us if they see an opportunity to win with scum
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #741 on: January 23, 2020, 01:32:53 pm »

e, why did you choose Awaclus to kill last night?
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #742 on: January 23, 2020, 01:33:15 pm »

vote: Archetype
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Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #743 on: January 23, 2020, 01:37:05 pm »

Well, I figured it's time to get this out there.

I am the one that killed Awaclus

Part of my role is a 1-shot vig. He was pretty likely scum based on EFHW's behavior after she flipped scum. And also he hardly contributed so probably not worth spending a lynch on.

I have a working theory about the limits of Mafia's ability to kill. With a suicidal role, the romero mechanic, only one 'kill' unaccounted for (ADK's N1 death), no one to account for the lack of a scum kill last night, and the brain threshold changing on every night EXCEPT N1, my theory is that the mafia has some sort of factional ability where they can either kill someone or increase the threshold by one.

Reads wise....

Galzria: power is obv very worrying if he is scum. Pushed the odd double voter wagon on shraeye, but his interactions with EFHW don't scream scum to me

2.7: hasn't had actions verified by anyone and no one has claimed the ability to produce the zombie cure he claimed to have.

WCD: townreading here, sheeps EFHW's vote at one point in a way that would be 'too scummy to be scum'. Also has a verified power.

DatSwan: I believe his claim, so I guess that means I don't find him to be likely scum.

pops: Still hard to read....from a design perspective, having so many vigs could cause the game to end very early if they target only scum. Last night kinda verifies my theory a bit more which points more to pops' power being a scum one to give them more killing ability.

so,

would lynch: pops and 2.7
wouldn't lynch today: DatSwan, WCD, Galzria

vote: 2.7
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #744 on: January 23, 2020, 01:37:21 pm »

vote: Archetype
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #745 on: January 23, 2020, 01:42:29 pm »

For now, sure:

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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #746 on: January 23, 2020, 01:45:21 pm »

e, why did you choose Awaclus to kill last night?

Well, this is moot now unless e wants to counter claim Archetype.

FWIW: I miscounted in my head when I asked this. I knew I didn’t do it, it would be strange for Swan to have made the claim he did without taking credit had he done it, WCD didn’t make sense based on her PR, and Pops directly answered “No, I didn’t do it”. That left e... if one were guilty of forgetting Archetype. 😝
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #747 on: January 23, 2020, 01:46:20 pm »

e, why did you choose Awaclus to kill last night?

Well, this is moot now unless e wants to counter claim Archetype.

FWIW: I miscounted in my head when I asked this. I knew I didn’t do it, it would be strange for Swan to have made the claim he did without taking credit had he done it, WCD didn’t make sense based on her PR, and Pops directly answered “No, I didn’t do it”. That left e... if one were guilty of forgetting Archetype. 😝
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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #748 on: January 23, 2020, 01:49:41 pm »

- I have more to claim and think that doing a mass-claim for everyone left is good

Alright e, I think it’s fair for you to out what you have at this point.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: RMM55: iZombie Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #749 on: January 23, 2020, 01:54:40 pm »

Is there a reason Pops can’t be scum? I had been giving him a general pass for his aggressive playstyle being uncommon for scum, combined with his PR being unusual to give to scum in a game where there’s already a mechanic for extra deaths - but given what appears to be a weaker scum-NK-mechanic, combined with the fact that we’ve already now seen a few Town Vig’s... it seems much less far fetched to give scum the ability to have a day-kill (and/or possibly more than one).
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20
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