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Author Topic: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (Game over! Scum wins flawlessly.)  (Read 10126 times)

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #875 on: October 31, 2019, 10:14:24 pm »

Anybody down for a joth or Jimmmm vote? I'd still be happy with an EFHW vote but those two are looking more and more appealing with every post.
i know you aren't asking me, but they seem towny.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #876 on: October 31, 2019, 10:15:13 pm »

Everyone on the wagon, are you confident enough to risk losing the game if youíre wrong? If so, why?
Yes, because A) it's not a big risk B) if there are 4 scum, it's closed to guaranteed there they weren't all on MiX, so that makes an EFHW lynch look better C) Noone that I think is scummy supports an EFHW lynch.
Only 2 people besides you support my lynch according to the vote count. You are using uncertain reads on two other people to confirm your also uncertain read on me? Are they the only two towny people in your opinion?
I have seen this post but I choose to not respond.
Thank you for the acknowledgement.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #877 on: October 31, 2019, 10:16:17 pm »

Everyone includes you, and you have not been pushing my wagon except in response to questions.  Otherwise you seem content for things to languish.
I don't see anything useful coming out of this discussion, so I'll end it here. You're of course free to campaign against me to your heart's content, but I doubt "faust is the reason this game isn't moving forward" is going to catch on.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #878 on: October 31, 2019, 10:20:01 pm »

Everyone includes you, and you have not been pushing my wagon except in response to questions.  Otherwise you seem content for things to languish.
I don't see anything useful coming out of this discussion, so I'll end it here. You're of course free to campaign against me to your heart's content, but I doubt "faust is the reason this game isn't moving forward" is going to catch on.
How do you explain nothing happening? People are following your lead.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #879 on: October 31, 2019, 10:21:04 pm »

Yeah, I back what Faust said.  It would be 0% difficult
Could you answer my question about the basis of your scumread?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #880 on: October 31, 2019, 10:22:27 pm »

Eddie, what is your opinion on massclaim?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #881 on: October 31, 2019, 10:27:32 pm »

Everyone includes you, and you have not been pushing my wagon except in response to questions.  Otherwise you seem content for things to languish.
I don't see anything useful coming out of this discussion, so I'll end it here. You're of course free to campaign against me to your heart's content, but I doubt "faust is the reason this game isn't moving forward" is going to catch on.
How do you explain nothing happening? People are following your lead.
I mean, there's multiple reasons. Maybe scum are just busy and don't have time for the game. Maybe scum are waiting for town to come up with an alternative wagon because they don't want to be seen scrambling for alternatives.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #882 on: October 31, 2019, 10:31:12 pm »

Eddie, what is your opinion on massclaim?

I feel like we have enough information to lynch without one.

Probably.

Maybe.

The issue I am having is that I trust all of the people you distrust, and distrust all of the people you trust.

It is very possible I have been bamboozled by the people close to me, and part of me wants to random-lynch one of them for fun, but I think Jimmm/You are my gut scum reads.

So maybe you can vote Jimmm and hope for the best? I dunno.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #883 on: October 31, 2019, 10:49:23 pm »

Eddie, what is your opinion on massclaim?
I'm against
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #884 on: November 01, 2019, 07:27:08 am »

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #885 on: November 01, 2019, 08:04:34 am »

Iím going to do a re-read today (Iím off work) looking especially at EFHW, Jimmm, and faust. Then I will vote for one of them.

Iím kind of not super-surprised EFHWís wagon has stalled
out if she IS scum, and I think it might be my fault. I have been yelling at people for hammering, now everyone is spooked to take someone to L-2.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #886 on: November 01, 2019, 08:39:03 am »

Iím only halfway through my re-read, but you know what?

Vote: raerae

I spent all of yesterday arguing that raerae and shraeye were scum. Thatís like all we talked about for most of the day. Yet somehow we ended up lynching DatSwan, the only person who agreed with me on that case.

And then guess who got nightkilled? Galzria, the other person who expressed some support for me and Swanís case.

I think, based on this re-read, the scum team is shraeye, raerae, and faust and they have cooked up this EFHW thing to steer us away from getting back to my case from yesterday. I could be persuaded to vote either of the others as well.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #887 on: November 01, 2019, 08:42:34 am »

Sorry, behind again. I was mid-way through catching up when the site went down. At this stage the case on raerae seems a bit of a stretch to me but I'll try to look into it more tomorrow night.

Did you do this, Jim? Any thoughts?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #888 on: November 01, 2019, 08:45:05 am »

Sorry, behind again. I was mid-way through catching up when the site went down. At this stage the case on raerae seems a bit of a stretch to me but I'll try to look into it more tomorrow night.

Did you do this, Jim? Any thoughts?

Wait I see you did. You meant real-life night.

Listen yíall, Iím gonna stop posting until Iím all done rereading.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #889 on: November 01, 2019, 08:56:16 am »

Alright, got through the end of yesterday and Iím stopping there. This is what makes sense to me.

I will say, EFHW also participated in the dismissing of and trying to move on from my case yesterday.

After reread, Iím finding faust and raerae especially scummy. Shraeye notsomuch, heís only guilty by association. If it werenít for the fact that faust and raerae were on EFHW today (ie looking only at yesterday) I would have her pegged as their
Team mate.

But all in all I think weíve been letting raerae and faust drive the bus of this game too long and I would instead like to see it run them over and thatís where I am.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #890 on: November 01, 2019, 09:47:11 am »

Also, FYI everyone, deadline is tomorrow
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #891 on: November 01, 2019, 12:32:23 pm »

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #892 on: November 01, 2019, 01:02:06 pm »

@Glooble, can you fix the link for the start of D2, please?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #893 on: November 01, 2019, 01:24:37 pm »

Okay, I'll try to make this as succinct as possible.

EFHW's reaction to the case on me is mostly directed at joth but occasionally she's responding to DatSwan's arguments as well.  She starts out not seeming to understand it/sort of defending me.  (I am trimming the hell out of posts to get to the meat of it and so this isn't enormous, fair warning.)

Isn't he arguing that raerae and Shraeye are both scum?
I don't think raerae seems panicked in her posts at eod. There's a hint that she knows Shraeye is town, but that doesn't fit with protecting Shraeye narrative.  More likely she has a gut townread on Shraeye despite her campaign that he is scum.
But if Shraeye's town and raerae is scum, why would she be upset that Shraeye might get lynched?

She votes joth here:
@joth, you gave MiX similar advice - only shoot if >50% sure. But then you gave him permission not to take it. I don't read raerae as panicking at all.

vote: joth

But unvotes here because she thought DS brought up the idea originally?  This is unclear to me and doesn't seem to follow the rest of her reasoning.
Vote: joth

Why joth over DatSwan when they're basically making the same argument?

This.

Also, you prefer Swan. Also 2x, Rae, vote Swan with me.

Why?
I don't have a good answer for this. I was under the impression that DatSwan initiated the idea, but I see that is not true. I'll unvote again, since things are so murky.

And then this is just out of left field. She goes from semi-defending me to voting for the person pushing my lynch, to agreeing I should be the lynch even though up to this point she'd disagreed with the case?
raerae is a good lynch target today because of that contradiction in her attitude towards Shraeye. I can see scum jumping on that. Also town would have questions. I'm am befuddled why both joth and DatSwan think the scum!raerae, town!shraeye theory makes sense.

After that we fight a bit about what terminology was used when, she unvotes, and moves on.
 
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #894 on: November 01, 2019, 01:38:48 pm »

Alright, now I see where you are coming from. When I said you were a good lynch target that did not mean I wanted to lynch you. It meant people looking for lynches would use eod to make an argument against you.

I was finding joth scummy in part because I thought he had opportunistically latched onto DatSwan's idea to bolster an otherwise not great case. But then it turned out he had brought the idea up first.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #895 on: November 01, 2019, 02:01:53 pm »

Alright, now I see where you are coming from. When I said you were a good lynch target that did not mean I wanted to lynch you. It meant people looking for lynches would use eod to make an argument against you.

I was finding joth scummy in part because I thought he had opportunistically latched onto DatSwan's idea to bolster an otherwise not great case. But then it turned out he had brought the idea up first.

When you talk about mass claiming, how much information are you thinking? Race/role/mana/whatever other info we have or just a selection from those options?

In your perfect world (clearly one where you're a viable lynch contestant isn't it) when would you use your vig powers?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #896 on: November 01, 2019, 03:10:26 pm »

I think it's pretty much all or nothing re: claims.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #897 on: November 01, 2019, 03:12:10 pm »

I can't really speculate about when I would use the vig.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #898 on: November 01, 2019, 03:19:38 pm »

@Glooble, can you fix the link for the start of D2, please?

Fixed, and added Day 3. Unfortunately canít do a vote count right now.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #899 on: November 01, 2019, 04:04:48 pm »

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