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Author Topic: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (Game over! Scum wins flawlessly.)  (Read 108264 times)

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #825 on: October 30, 2019, 01:23:23 pm »

EFHW, since you've already claimed, would you be willing to flavor claim? Would definitely help me evaluate your claim.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #826 on: October 30, 2019, 01:50:50 pm »

I'm a motion detector/vig.

Every night? Who've you targeted?
Only motion  detector is every night. gkrieg had no motion n1, Lalight returned no result n2.

By "no result", you mean to imply that your action failed?  What are your thoughts about what that means?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #827 on: October 30, 2019, 01:57:45 pm »

Aside from a mild vig skepticism, I don't see a strong reason to disbelieve EFHW's claim. I also don't have a super strong reason to believe it, and it's possible she's a scum motion detector (RM is weird). Nissa is definitely not a scum character, but it could very easily be a fake claim. Those powers don't feel like they especially match the character to me, not to the extent that, say, Mix's and Galz's did, IMO.

I'd like to explore the possibility of leaving EFHW alive and directing her vig kill, treating it as a quasi-second lynch. That gives us a second chance to stay in the game if we ARE at MyLo and we mislynch.

Of course, scum might have a roleblocker or even a doctor, so maybe that's a bad plan... Hmmm.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #828 on: October 30, 2019, 02:33:54 pm »

Aside from a mild vig skepticism, I don't see a strong reason to disbelieve EFHW's claim. I also don't have a super strong reason to believe it, and it's possible she's a scum motion detector (RM is weird). Nissa is definitely not a scum character, but it could very easily be a fake claim. Those powers don't feel like they especially match the character to me, not to the extent that, say, Mix's and Galz's did, IMO.

I'd like to explore the possibility of leaving EFHW alive and directing her vig kill, treating it as a quasi-second lynch. That gives us a second chance to stay in the game if we ARE at MyLo and we mislynch.

Of course, scum might have a roleblocker or even a doctor, so maybe that's a bad plan... Hmmm.

None of us trust each other enough to pick a vig target and I don't trust EFHW enough to believe she'd direct it at the target we picked if we did.  Other than that I'm with you, no reason to believe or disbelieve.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #829 on: October 30, 2019, 02:36:19 pm »

@EFHW, why'd you target those two in particular?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #830 on: October 30, 2019, 02:48:07 pm »

Do people think Glooble would give us both a vig AND a vengeful townie? That's the only place I'm hung up on this claim. Seems like a lot of town killing power.

I  don't have any info that conflicts with the tracker results.

gkreig, LaLight--  is this accurate?

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #831 on: October 30, 2019, 03:20:14 pm »

I'm a motion detector/vig.

Every night? Who've you targeted?
Only motion  detector is every night. gkrieg had no motion n1, Lalight returned no result n2.

By "no result", you mean to imply that your action failed?  What are your thoughts about what that means?
Yes, I assume it failed. The usual suspects, rb, jk, rolestopper, commuter ...
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #832 on: October 30, 2019, 03:24:35 pm »

@EFHW, why'd you target those two in particular?
This being RMM, motion detector didn't seem very useful since a lot of people would be taking night actions or be a target. I thought gkrieg was not likely to be a target, at least, and I always scumread him regardless of alignment,  so additional info on him would be helpful.  Lalight I suspected of having the same role as gkrieg, so he seemed a logical choice. 
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #833 on: October 30, 2019, 04:30:03 pm »

You sure did seem to have a reason behind your vote.  Maybe you could share that with the crowd?
I'm relatively confident that some scum was off the MiX wagon, and EFHW seemed the most likely choice, so I thought I'd see what happened if I voted there. All the towny people supported the wagon and none of the scummy people did, so now I'm feeling a lot better about that EFHW read.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #834 on: October 30, 2019, 04:34:07 pm »

I'm a motion detector/vig.

Every night? Who've you targeted?
Only motion  detector is every night. gkrieg had no motion n1, Lalight returned no result n2.

So the vig is 1-shot?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #835 on: October 30, 2019, 06:08:42 pm »

I'm a motion detector/vig.

Every night? Who've you targeted?
Only motion  detector is every night. gkrieg had no motion n1, Lalight returned no result n2.

So the vig is 1-shot?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #836 on: October 30, 2019, 07:21:57 pm »

You sure did seem to have a reason behind your vote.  Maybe you could share that with the crowd?
I'm relatively confident that some scum was off the MiX wagon, and EFHW seemed the most likely choice, so I thought I'd see what happened if I voted there. All the towny people supported the wagon and none of the scummy people did, so now I'm feeling a lot better about that EFHW read.
You caught me this way before, but not this time. Who are the scummy people inyour mind?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #837 on: October 30, 2019, 07:22:56 pm »

I'm with joth. A Vig claim is potentially verifiable. If we are at mylo then the a vig could save the game Tonight, and if we're not then it could get us down to an odd number.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #838 on: October 30, 2019, 07:32:30 pm »

You sure did seem to have a reason behind your vote.  Maybe you could share that with the crowd?
I'm relatively confident that some scum was off the MiX wagon, and EFHW seemed the most likely choice, so I thought I'd see what happened if I voted there. All the towny people supported the wagon and none of the scummy people did, so now I'm feeling a lot better about that EFHW read.
You caught me this way before, but not this time. Who are the scummy people inyour mind?
You can probably get some idea of this based on the composition of your wagon. I don't want to go into more detail at the moment.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #839 on: October 30, 2019, 07:37:06 pm »

@EFHW: Can you use your Motion Detector and your Vig the same Night?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #840 on: October 30, 2019, 08:26:03 pm »

@EFHW: Can you use your Motion Detector and your Vig the same Night?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #841 on: October 30, 2019, 09:55:54 pm »

Hey Awaclus, when can I expect a vote from you?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #842 on: October 31, 2019, 05:10:28 am »

Hey Awaclus, when can I expect a vote from you?

Well, that can be arranged. vote: faust
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #843 on: October 31, 2019, 07:12:56 am »

Hey Awaclus, when can I expect a vote from you?

Well, that can be arranged. vote: faust
You are too predictable.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #844 on: October 31, 2019, 07:44:04 am »

vote: Lalight.  Jimmmmm, any interest?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #845 on: October 31, 2019, 08:06:15 am »

Do people think Glooble would give us both a vig AND a vengeful townie? That's the only place I'm hung up on this claim. Seems like a lot of town killing power.

I  don't have any info that conflicts with the tracker results.

gkreig, LaLight--  is this accurate?

Well, I did move, and I didn't do anything that could mess with EFHW results
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #846 on: October 31, 2019, 08:10:41 am »

Hey Awaclus, when can I expect a vote from you?

Well, that can be arranged. vote: faust
You are too predictable.

Why did you want me to vote for you?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 1)
« Reply #847 on: October 31, 2019, 08:29:15 am »

Galz' comment struck me as too obvious to be a scum breadcrumb, but I agree that it was strange. "it's the best i have" is interesting, given that this is after the MiX lynch but before joth started pushing the shraerae narrative, which indicates that LL didn't find it suspicious at this point.

I did find it suspicious, but it was not a good case. Galz's case at the time was better to me than just something based on my feelings about shraerae team.

Questions for LaLight:

What was your initial response to the events around the MiX lynch? Did shraerae seem scummy to you at the time, or did you only develop that opinion based on others' arguments? If the latter, what convinced you?

What makes you think gkrieg is non-Town? Is that a read on him or on the setup?

They did seem scummy to me at the time, I clearly remember thinking I solved the game back then.

I think it is more probable for the setup to change alignment of nemesises (nemesi?) to slef-aligned in some way, not town ones. That's what I'd do anyway, most of the time. Maybe even Traitor?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 3)
« Reply #848 on: October 31, 2019, 08:49:46 am »

Hey Awaclus, when can I expect a vote from you?

Well, that can be arranged. vote: faust
You are too predictable.

Why did you want me to vote for you?
I wanted you to vote, but I had little faith that anything I say could yield a reasonable result. Still, it was worth a try.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (NIGHT 1)
« Reply #849 on: October 31, 2019, 08:55:12 am »

Jace's funeral draws a massive crowd- despite being absent a lot, he was still the living guildpact. Of course Bolas decides to take the opportunity to harvest more sparks. In the battle that ensues, a tiny blue homonculus finds himself jostled and carried until he's in a part of the city he absolutely does not recognize.

Oh no.

Not again.


Vote Count 3.2

Awaclus (1): jotheonah
raerae (1): LaLight
EFHW (3):  faust, shraeye, raerae
shraeye (1):Jimmmm
Jimmmmmm (1): UncleEurope
faust (1): Awaclus
LaLight (1): EFHW
Not voting (1): gkrieg,

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