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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #375 on: October 17, 2019, 03:28:50 am »

Also, while I’m playing video games with Swan right now:

I’m quite a few cocktails deep, so semi-DAMA. This thread has been woefully silent since D2 began.

yay let's talk

why were you so silent yesterDay? What are your thoughts on MiX wagon?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #376 on: October 17, 2019, 03:33:45 am »

Also, while I’m playing video games with Swan right now:

I’m quite a few cocktails deep, so semi-DAMA. This thread has been woefully silent since D2 began.

yay let's talk

why were you so silent yesterDay? What are your thoughts on MiX wagon?

I was silent most of yesterday due to being on a work trip with Swan, Raptor & 2 others (well, many others - but just us 5 from the SF Bay Area). While there was plenty of leisure time during the trip, most of that (and I really mean most: We averaged 3.5 hours of sleep a night for 5 nights straight) was filled drinking and hanging out and socializing. Which is why I slept through Friday upon coming home...

As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #377 on: October 17, 2019, 03:34:18 am »

Shraeye, do anything interesting last night?

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I personally tend to do exactly that when I am scum preparing a fakeclaim

Exactly what? I’m just curious if he did anything interesting. You know, after quick-unannounced-hammering MiX.

Well, i would call it an obvious breadcrumb: I pretend to do some action as Town PR, so then I can say "I have nothing to hide, here in this post I obviously hinted I am tracker and tracked shraeye"

It's not much of a case, but it's the best i have

I solemnly swear I did not target Shraeye last night.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #378 on: October 17, 2019, 03:44:27 am »

Also, while I’m playing video games with Swan right now:

I’m quite a few cocktails deep, so semi-DAMA. This thread has been woefully silent since D2 began.

yay let's talk

why were you so silent yesterDay? What are your thoughts on MiX wagon?

I was silent most of yesterday due to being on a work trip with Swan, Raptor & 2 others (well, many others - but just us 5 from the SF Bay Area). While there was plenty of leisure time during the trip, most of that (and I really mean most: We averaged 3.5 hours of sleep a night for 5 nights straight) was filled drinking and hanging out and socializing. Which is why I slept through Friday upon coming home...

As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye.

Oh I got what you mean, I never thought about that!
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #379 on: October 17, 2019, 03:45:34 am »

Shraeye, do anything interesting last night?

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I personally tend to do exactly that when I am scum preparing a fakeclaim

Exactly what? I’m just curious if he did anything interesting. You know, after quick-unannounced-hammering MiX.

Well, i would call it an obvious breadcrumb: I pretend to do some action as Town PR, so then I can say "I have nothing to hide, here in this post I obviously hinted I am tracker and tracked shraeye"

It's not much of a case, but it's the best i have

I solemnly swear I did not target Shraeye last night.

uh why would you claim that

I don't feel like unvoting right now, sorry
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #380 on: October 17, 2019, 03:47:37 am »

In the story, Sorin and Nahiri basically spend the whole time ignoring the larger war and fighting each other across the plane. So that’s what Nemesis is— probably some kind of lyncher situation. I wonder if that means Nahiri won?

Wild guess: what if they're Lyncher, that changes alignment when the Lynchee is lynched?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #381 on: October 17, 2019, 03:48:56 am »

if they change alignment to Town, I think it'd be better for them to step up.

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #382 on: October 17, 2019, 04:02:45 am »

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As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye

I don't agree here. I think there is scum on the wagon. vote: Jimmmmm.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #383 on: October 17, 2019, 04:40:14 am »

Shraeye, do anything interesting last night?

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I personally tend to do exactly that when I am scum preparing a fakeclaim

Exactly what? I’m just curious if he did anything interesting. You know, after quick-unannounced-hammering MiX.

Well, i would call it an obvious breadcrumb: I pretend to do some action as Town PR, so then I can say "I have nothing to hide, here in this post I obviously hinted I am tracker and tracked shraeye"

It's not much of a case, but it's the best i have

I solemnly swear I did not target Shraeye last night.

uh why would you claim that

I don't feel like unvoting right now, sorry

You said you thought I was setting up some sort of fake claim against Shraeye. I’m simply stating that I’m not. I didn’t target Shraeye last night, so regardless of his answer to my question, which still stands by the way, this isn’t some sort of fake “gotcha” tactic.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #384 on: October 17, 2019, 04:40:53 am »

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As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye

I don't agree here. I think there is scum on the wagon. vote: Jimmmmm.

Why
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #385 on: October 17, 2019, 06:19:49 am »

So I have a super busy day today and may not be able to get into it until tomorrow or Saturday. But I’ll be following along best I can. I want to reread before pushing too hard, but right now I’m still feeling like the person who looks scummiest after yesterday is raerae, just based on her reaction to MiX’s vengeful townie reveal. Which I suppose also implicates Shraeye.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #386 on: October 17, 2019, 06:23:09 am »

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As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye

I don't agree here. I think there is scum on the wagon. vote: Jimmmmm.

Why
From my self-centered perspective,  MiX was obv!town so efforts were made to mislynch him. 
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #387 on: October 17, 2019, 10:00:37 am »

As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye.
Actually the end of the wagon is the towniest thing about it.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #388 on: October 17, 2019, 10:02:58 am »

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As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye

I don't agree here. I think there is scum on the wagon. vote: Jimmmmm.
"There is scum on the wagon" isn't really a good enough reason to vote there. How many scum do you think are on wagon? And how many are off?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #389 on: October 17, 2019, 10:04:01 am »

So I have a super busy day today and may not be able to get into it until tomorrow or Saturday. But I’ll be following along best I can. I want to reread before pushing too hard, but right now I’m still feeling like the person who looks scummiest after yesterday is raerae, just based on her reaction to MiX’s vengeful townie reveal. Which I suppose also implicates Shraeye.
Walk me through how raerae's reaction makes sense as scum if shraeye is town.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #390 on: October 17, 2019, 10:21:30 am »

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As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye

I don't agree here. I think there is scum on the wagon. vote: Jimmmmm.
"There is scum on the wagon" isn't really a good enough reason to vote there. How many scum do you think are on wagon? And how many are off?
Yeah, I'm going through the day looking for information to help with these questions, and it  isn't as simple as I thought at first.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #391 on: October 17, 2019, 10:41:16 am »

Pubby and I were nemeses. I could not win with him alive, but when he died I become aligned with town. My guess is that it was the same for him.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #392 on: October 17, 2019, 10:42:03 am »

As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye.
Actually the end of the wagon is the towniest thing about it.

How do you mean?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #393 on: October 17, 2019, 10:49:16 am »

As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye.
Actually the end of the wagon is the towniest thing about it.

How do you mean?
It was an unnecessary risk for raerae and shraeye. The wagon already had enough support to go through when LaLight voted, and there was no other wagon around that posed any danger.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #394 on: October 17, 2019, 10:51:22 am »

Pubby and I were nemeses. I could not win with him alive, but when he died I become aligned with town. My guess is that it was the same for him.
Do you have any insight into what pubby was going for with his voting? Do you have any voting-related abilities?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #395 on: October 17, 2019, 11:52:00 am »

So I have a super busy day today and may not be able to get into it until tomorrow or Saturday. But I’ll be following along best I can. I want to reread before pushing too hard, but right now I’m still feeling like the person who looks scummiest after yesterday is raerae, just based on her reaction to MiX’s vengeful townie reveal. Which I suppose also implicates Shraeye.

I stand by it. He hit town, didn't he? D1 is a stupid time to use that power especially when you're shooting based on who pissed you off most for voting for you.
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #396 on: October 17, 2019, 11:53:34 am »

As for the wagon. I’m actually not crazy scum reading a lot of it. It’s townie to run things up D1. It’s actually a good thing. What’s scummy af is how it ended. Hence my question to Shraeye.
Actually the end of the wagon is the towniest thing about it.

How do you mean?
It was an unnecessary risk for raerae and shraeye. The wagon already had enough support to go through when LaLight voted, and there was no other wagon around that posed any danger.

I disagree. It had already been stated categorically (by you, if I recall) that scum would never just quick lynch day 1 - that it was only a tactic of scum for later days. This was during the time of discussion that MiX said he was concerned about this happening to Pubby. In so saying, you essentially opened the door and provided a free pass for scum to do exactly that.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #397 on: October 17, 2019, 11:58:49 am »

I should have asked this sooner but I didn't really think it would be necessary, does anybody have a good reference to understand/look up flavor?
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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 2)
« Reply #398 on: October 17, 2019, 12:02:15 pm »

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Re: RMM54: War of the Spark Mafia (DAY 1)
« Reply #399 on: October 17, 2019, 12:02:36 pm »

Scum can quickhammer if I vote if I counted them correctly. Besides, pubby's not scum, so we should look into scum before lynching anti-town.

Ah yes, the day 1 scum quickhammer, a tried and true tactic.

Also, how could you even calculate this without knowing how many scum there are, which, I just double-checked, is not currently mod-supplied info?

vote: MiX

faust, I'm still keeping my eye on you.

There's at least 3 (there's always at least 3), and I assumed pubby was scum when doing this. He has (had?) 5 votes, right? Not sure.

Seems to me like the "at least" number (the lower limit) would not be the relevant number in calculating whether a quickhammer is possible. If there are, in fact, 4 scum, then the quickhammer was already possible and your vote wouldn't matter.

But that's semantics. The fact is, the quickhammer thing was an absurd thing to say. Do you really think (A) there's currently no scum on pubby and (B) all the scum in the game would jump on him quickly to get their day 1 mislynch in? Quickhammers are late game phenomena. There's no reason to be talking about a quick hammer in the early game. Also ... you assumed pubby was scum? Huh? That... that must be a typo right? Cause if you thought he was scum then worrying about a quickhammer would be extra weird.

Here's another scenario to try on for size: You're scum who wanted to jump on the bad pubby wagon but didn't want to look to eager, so you made up the quickhammer thing as a way to justify not voting now that wouldn't make you look bad if you decided to vote later.

Sorry, it was Joth, not Faust, that presented the “scum wouldn’t quick-hammer” D1 theory that makes it perfectly “safe” for scum to do just that.
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20
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