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Is resigning considered rude?
« on: March 15, 2012, 12:21:51 pm »
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I tend to resign when the game is fairly hopeless both IRL and on Isotropic (I might even resign too early sometimes).  I have no problem with my opponent resigning if they are losing, but several people I have played recently seem upset when I do resign.  This is in spite of saying things like "Good game ... very nice deck" and so on.  My son when we play in real life also becomes annoyed when I resign.

I understand wanting to see your megaturn go off and so on, but why would you respond with scorn if your opponent concedes your deck's superiority?

I wonder what everyone else thinks: should you sit through a clearly lost game?  Is it rude to resign?  Or is it okay to resign so you don't have to sit through until the brutal end?
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2012, 12:24:09 pm »
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There is a mess of a discussion on this in the "Decline of civility" thread.  You will find opinions on both sides.  For me, I don't consider it rude, and occasionally resign if I feel the game is a lost cause and am not enjoying it.  I never feel slighted if my opponent resigns.

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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2012, 12:27:33 pm »
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I never resign in real life games, mainly because I have gone to a lot more effort to put that deck together and want to see it played out. (Although I dont have KC at home)

I always tell the opponent im going to resign a turn before I do it on Iso, just in case they ask me to stay so they can pull off thier last megaturn (or they could be after an achievement)

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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2012, 12:42:27 pm »
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I don't really care if it's rude; sometimes it's better to just not waste either player's time if you have no chance of coming back.  They may feel upset for a minute or two, but they can find another game and move on.  I personally don't mind if my opponent resigns, even if I was about to have a crazy turn.  Been in that position enough times to understand.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2012, 04:29:48 pm »
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I'm fine with people resigning.  It's maybe a little annoying when it's a quick game, but whatever.

However, I think it's very rude when people resign in a way that forces me to wait around for 3 minutes to click the "make soandso resign" button.  Wait until your turn starts, click "end turn", click "resign", then click "resign" again.  People say just clicking "exit" works as well, though I've not tested it.  Definitely don't just close the tab.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2012, 06:15:29 pm »
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I personally have no problem resigning/people resigning to me. If it's because I got outplayed, I make sure to go to the effort to type "well played" and mention how I didn't see ______ or whatever. If its because my opening mountebank got swindled into a duke early game, (though obviously I would still play through a bit farther) I try and restrict myself to a "gg".
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2012, 11:10:01 pm »
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As a sidenote: if you are going to resign, you better be absolutely certain that you're going to lose. Dominion is full of surprises; there have been several games where I've gone from "that's it, I'm dead meat, gg" to "how on earth did I win that?". Don't give up too quickly.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2012, 11:54:33 pm »
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Some people enjoy having their time wasted. Someone once announced in the lobby that I should be avoided after I politely spared him from the drudgery of finishing a lopsided game.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 01:22:45 am »
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Since this has been argued over and over before, I will make one comment and then never respond (I promise):

I played a series of games earlier where I lost two or three in a row due (I believe) to really unlucky shuffles toward the end. They were all very close games, so they weren't boring, but they were frustrating losses. Then I started a new game (I believe it was a rematch with the player who had just beat me), and my first few turns went very well, so I got out to a bit of a lead. I was just starting to feel better about my luck when BAM! -- the game's over. The other player apparently decided his cause was hopeless (in my opinion the game was far from over), and resigned without a word.

Now I got the win, so ... hurray. But it felt a bit like, "I just struggled through three difficult losses, and I finally get a game that's looking enjoyable, and it's over before we've even played it!" I like to win, and I always feel better when my rank rises rather than falls, but I would just not enjoy Dominion if every game was like that.

Of course I recognize that the opposite scenario is also possible: where you (to take the most extreme example) have been locked down by the KC/Masq pin and the outcome is certain but the game is (1) unenjoyable and (2) far from over. And since there are no objective ways to judge this, I pretty much accept the fact that people can resign whenever they please.

As for me, I would only consider resigning in extreme cases, and I would never resign without first asking my opponent if that's okay. As for my expectations of other people, I think a "gg" is a barely-adequate, minimum level of courtesy.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2012, 01:38:58 am »
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I can agree that it is rude to resign a game that you can win.  If you do that, you're not really competing, you're just reshuffling over and over again until you get a fun engine that builds itself or something.  Come from behind play can be very interesting too.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2012, 03:57:16 am »
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I personally have no problem resigning/people resigning to me. If it's because I got outplayed, I make sure to go to the effort to type "well played" and mention how I didn't see ______ or whatever. If its because my opening mountebank got swindled into a duke early game, (though obviously I would still play through a bit farther) I try and restrict myself to a "gg".

I think I've won at least two games by an opponent who didn't know when to stop swindling me Duchies (and wasn't watching the piles). Once I just transitioned into Duke/Duchy because I realized my oponent had done half the work for me...
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2012, 04:10:21 am »
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I had an opponent resign once, because he had to feed his baby, I didn't consider it rude.  :D
Especially since our own little Jester is due September 8th.  ;D ;D
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2012, 04:14:03 am »
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I think one of the best comments in that thread, forgot who said it, said the difference of opinion could be divided into chess players vs. non chess players. In chess, when you recognize that the game is over, conceding is better etiquette than wasting both players time and dragging it out.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2012, 05:15:40 am »
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I think one of the best comments in that thread, forgot who said it, said the difference of opinion could be divided into chess players vs. non chess players. In chess, when you recognize that the game is over, conceding is better etiquette than wasting both players time and dragging it out.
same goes for serious Mtg-players. Although there are sometimes going to be reasons NOT to concede: if the other guy is playing a combo deck that is unstoppable, but takes a few minutes to play out it might be better to let him continue playing and hope he messes up somewhere. And I remember playing a combo deck where I took out the win condition in the second game because I won the first game and know my opponent is going to concede once I'm going off (very risky if there's a chance my opponent decides to let me play on).
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2012, 05:54:59 am »
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In general, I agree with tlloyd on this. In a number of games I have felt like I am losing by many points, only to pull out a surprise win at the end through some fluke or other. But I don't resign games unless I have to leave my computer and go do something else. As someone who's been on the receiving end of some brutal action chains, sometimes I feel a little bit cheated if I don't get to run my own action chains all the way through and see what happens.

Dominion really is a game where you have to change strategies all the time, so when a player resigns from a game I can't see how my strategy should adjust to the end game victory point rush, or which cards I'll regret having bought/skipped over in the beginning. I feel like it's one thing to resign on isotropic because real life is calling, and another to resign because you have bad shuffle luck. And I definitely think that it's discourteous to resign without saying anything.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2012, 06:30:09 am »
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I usually don't resign, only in extreme cases. If I'm down 3 Provinces with 2 Provinces left and a 8-2 curse-split or an otherwise extremely worse deck, and it's not looking like the game can end soon, I gg and resign. Also without asking. Doesn't look like a fun ending for both of us, isn't much chance left (yeah we can now Duchydance us down, maybe I get a 5/3 there with much luck, then I still need both Provinces, but now my deck is even more than extremly worse)

Otherwise (expcept I have to leave) I don't resign, if it's two fast turns for your opponent, just sit through them, if my deck has some potential, there might be that 5%-chance of winning nevertheless, and to be honest, those wins are the ones that are most fun...
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2012, 08:11:11 am »
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I generally ask before I resign, if the opponent has an engine that's rolling and takes (what seems like) a couple of minutes per turn, and my turns take 2-5 clicks and I think it will take another 3-4 turns for my opponent to win, I'll ask and usually the opponent will say fine.  In fact, when I've asked, "can I resign," nobody has ever said they'd prefer I didn't.

What's worse, in my opinion is slow-rolling.  When you can buy the last province with what's in hand, are way ahead anyway or only have means to gain 1 province in your deck, and play out your whole engine before buying the province.  That's not fun for the person sitting on the receiving end.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2012, 08:59:26 am »
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If the game is hopeless, hell yes I am going to gg and resign. I'm not here to struggle like a hooked fish for anyone's gratification.

(And yes, I am a former chess player. Although in Dominion, unlike chess, I don't take a refusal to resign as an insult.)
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2012, 10:26:23 am »
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As far as 2-player competitive play goes (3/4-player and casual play are different), I disagree in the strongest way that resigning under any circumstance is rude, assuming that the game was played honestly up to that point (e.g. resigning on turn 1 would be obnoxious).

When two players are playing a game, they are playing it for mutual enjoyment. If either player decides they wouldn't enjoy playing out the rest of the game, then that player is welcome to stop playing (as long as they actually exit and don't just close the tab). For the winning player to claim it is wrong for the losing player to do this is, in my opinion, rude itself.

It's not just chess that's like this... this is the standard for any 2-player competitive game!

I also agree with sitnaltax that, in Dominion, the losing player is welcome to play out the entire game even if far behind. There's almost always the possibility of crazy shuffle luck turning the game around, so if the loser wants to try for that, that's fine with me. It can also be a good learning experience to see how the endgame plays out on a particular board, even if the score isn't close.

What really bugs me is players who say "gg" and then keep playing. I never know quite how to respond to this, especially if (in my judgment) they aren't very far behind. To me, saying "gg" as the loser is synonymous with resigning, so I don't know what's going on here.

What's worse, in my opinion is slow-rolling.  When you can buy the last province with what's in hand, are way ahead anyway or only have means to gain 1 province in your deck, and play out your whole engine before buying the province.  That's not fun for the person sitting on the receiving end.

In this situation, if you are on the losing end, just click the exit button to resign during your opponent's turn. This is generally what I do if my opponent seems interested in drawing their entire deck even if they already have the ability to win the game. Since the loser has this option, I don't feel obligated as the winner to end the game quickly on my turn (instead I usually aim to maximize points), although sometimes I'll end it fast anyway.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2012, 04:12:09 pm »
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Yeah, I resign a lot.  Sorry.  I have a kid and another on the way, so my play time is limited.  If the game is clearly decided, I'd rather get right to the next one.  Don't have time to kill.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #20 on: March 16, 2012, 06:37:14 pm »
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What really bugs me is players who say "gg" and then keep playing. I never know quite how to respond to this, especially if (in my judgment) they aren't very far behind. To me, saying "gg" as the loser is synonymous with resigning, so I don't know what's going on here.

I have made this mistake sometimes. Because a lot of players leave so fast after the game ends, if my opponent is going to win during the current turn, I often try to say gg during that turn. It's not a resignation, it's a congratulations well played. However, occasionally I'm wrong--either the deck stalls out (huge action chain that leaves opponent with $7 or whatever) or the opponent doesn't notice the 3-pile that I thought would end it. Small awkward moment.

In this situation, if you are on the losing end, just click the exit button to resign during your opponent's turn.

I learned that this is the preferred resignation technique relatively recently, so if I've ever rageclosedthetab on anyone reading this, I'm sorry.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2012, 07:18:39 pm »
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I am now resigning from this thread.

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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2012, 09:35:31 pm »
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I am now resigning from this thread.


You could at least take the time to say a little "good game". Sheesh... so rude...
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2012, 10:38:58 am »
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I will generally resign once there is no possible way for me to win (for example, I am behind 20 points, cursing is not a factor, and there is only one Province and one Duchy left).  The exception is if the game is almost over anyways and then I'll just let it finish its natural course.  I will give a "gg" if I think they played well, or say nothing if I think luck was the major factor.

I once had a guy say "gg" to me when he was winning.  He had 3 provinces, I had 1.  He was clearly doing better, but as we all know things can turn around.  I said "gg?".  He said, "I don't see any way you can win, so gg".  I said "So do you expect me to resign or something?".  He said "I would resign if I were you, but you can do whatever you want".  I think it came across as fairly un-sportsmanlike.  I told him as much, he said something about it being the way it is done in chess.  Of course in chess there is no chance that luck will turn the game in your favor. 

The only thing that really bothers me (besides people timing out instead of resigning) is people who win and then just leave without a word.  If the game was close then I think a "gg" is in order (I even usually say "gg, close one" to respect the fact that either of us could have won).  If they mutilated me then at least a "thanks for the game", or "tx", or even "sorry for the miserable triple-torturer chain!" would be nice.  Because it bothers me so much, my goal is to usually return to lobby before they can so I am not annoyed by what they do or don't say.

One guy just left and we played another game and I said "just my opinion, but I think winning and running is kind of rude".  His reply was "f*** your opinion, I f*** your opinions for a living and I make a lot of money".  Must have been in junior high or something?  Or was I being a bit annoying?

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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2012, 10:47:34 am »
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I will generally resign once there is no possible way for me to win (for example, I am behind 20 points, cursing is not a factor, and there is only one Province and one Duchy left).  The exception is if the game is almost over anyways and then I'll just let it finish its natural course.  I will give a "gg" if I think they played well, or say nothing if I think luck was the major factor.

I once had a guy say "gg" to me when he was winning.  He had 3 provinces, I had 1.  He was clearly doing better, but as we all know things can turn around.  I said "gg?".  He said, "I don't see any way you can win, so gg".  I said "So do you expect me to resign or something?".  He said "I would resign if I were you, but you can do whatever you want".  I think it came across as fairly un-sportsmanlike.  I told him as much, he said something about it being the way it is done in chess.  Of course in chess there is no chance that luck will turn the game in your favor. 

The only thing that really bothers me (besides people timing out instead of resigning) is people who win and then just leave without a word.  If the game was close then I think a "gg" is in order (I even usually say "gg, close one" to respect the fact that either of us could have won).  If they mutilated me then at least a "thanks for the game", or "tx", or even "sorry for the miserable triple-torturer chain!" would be nice.  Because it bothers me so much, my goal is to usually return to lobby before they can so I am not annoyed by what they do or don't say.

One guy just left and we played another game and I said "just my opinion, but I think winning and running is kind of rude".  His reply was "f*** your opinion, I f*** your opinions for a living and I make a lot of money".  Must have been in junior high or something?  Or was I being a bit annoying?

I'd say you were being a bit annoying.
If it's really just your opinion, why say it at all? Obviously you're trying to change his behaviour, but you're being backhanded and passive-aggressive about it.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2012, 11:39:06 am »
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One guy just left and we played another game and I said "just my opinion, but I think winning and running is kind of rude".  His reply was "f*** your opinion, I f*** your opinions for a living and I make a lot of money".  Must have been in junior high or something?  Or was I being a bit annoying?

I don't think it's annoying; you expressed an opinion. He expressed his—in a manner of speaking.

That being said, some people just don't take kindly to being told that their method does not sit well with others. And those people probably would think that your comment was being intrusive or whiny or bossy. The thing is that you can't really tell how they'll react. That's why there are threads about whether or not it's a good idea to make gameplay suggestions to others.

If you'd have said it to me, I'd say, "Sorry," and move on. I might even give an explanation or change my ways. I know that several people wouldn't react the same way (and you presented us with an example).
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2012, 01:07:36 pm »
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In this situation, if you are on the losing end, just click the exit button to resign during your opponent's turn.

The only problem with this one is that by exiting, you forfiet your increased odds of seat 1 in the next game. If you're not competetive then it doesn't really matter, but let's be honest with ourselves; We're all here because we're competetive.

The only thing that really bothers me (besides people timing out instead of resigning) is people who win and then just leave without a word.  If the game was close then I think a "gg" is in order (I even usually say "gg, close one" to respect the fact that either of us could have won).  If they mutilated me then at least a "thanks for the game", or "tx", or even "sorry for the miserable triple-torturer chain!" would be nice.  Because it bothers me so much, my goal is to usually return to lobby before they can so I am not annoyed by what they do or don't say.

You don't like when people end the game and instantly return to the lobby without saying anything. Your solution is to instantly return to the lobby after games without saying anything. I guess that makes sense  :-\
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2012, 01:49:02 pm »
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I once had a guy say "gg" to me when he was winning.

Man, this is the only thing that will trigger some degree of internet rage with me (to the extent of actually doing obnoxious things myself like not typing gg, etc... not saying it's right to do this, since the other player might not know how annoying it is, but I'm even tempted to tab-closing). Drives me nuts. It's some combination of:
  • I'm already losing so I'm perhaps not in a happy mood to begin with.
  • The implication that I'm being rude by not resigning (when actually I just think the game isn't decided yet, or it's close enough to the end that I don't think it matters).
  • The general smugness of doing it in the first place (by implying that the winner really knows better than me when the game is over).
Thankfully I don't see this on isotropic too much or I'd probably stop playing there altogether to avoid it.

The only problem with this one is that by exiting, you forfiet your increased odds of seat 1 in the next game. If you're not competetive then it doesn't really matter, but let's be honest with ourselves; We're all here because we're competetive.

Wow, I never realized this. Now I can blame my declining ranking on use of the exit button. =P
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2012, 04:30:23 pm »
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So a lot of these problems can be eliminated through a combination of being a good sport and not taking the game too seriously. At the end of the day, it's a game we play for fun and very little is at stake. In fact, I would say the highest stake in a game of online Dominion is how much fun you're having.  If you allow other people's rudeness and actions to make you angry, then you're sacrificing the enjoyment that's the whole point of the game. If you let it roll off you, you're safeguarding that enjoyment.

I don't mean to be preachy, but that's my take.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2012, 04:51:19 pm »
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I'm fairly neutral on the subject of conceding and I think that context plays a big part.  Personally I will never be offended if my opponent concedes.  For me that's him/her saying, "congratulations, you have an almost innevitable win, let's both move on".  If i am losing I usually let me opponent play out the win, but if you are either:

a)  Playing slowly,
b)  Playing a deck where each turn takes an age (especially combined with the above) or
c)  Delaying your win for the purpouse of pulling off an uber-turn or chasing Councilroom achievements

Then sorry, but I'm going to resign.  My time is valuable to me, my leisure time doubly so, and I'm not going to waste it in ten minute chunks watching you pull off a pretty combo with your screen pixels.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #30 on: March 19, 2012, 05:26:51 pm »
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The only problem with this one is that by exiting, you forfiet your increased odds of seat 1 in the next game. If you're not competetive then it doesn't really matter, but let's be honest with ourselves; We're all here because we're competetive.

Wait...what?!

Explain!
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« Reply #31 on: March 19, 2012, 05:29:31 pm »
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The only problem with this one is that by exiting, you forfiet your increased odds of seat 1 in the next game. If you're not competetive then it doesn't really matter, but let's be honest with ourselves; We're all here because we're competetive.

Wait...what?!

Explain!

Well when you "exit" rather than resign you get taken back to the sign in screen and not the lobby, and you have to re-enter the lobby manually. You only get the increased odds of seat 1 in the next game if you return to the lobby from a game that you have just lost. Anyone who signs in gets put in the pool of people who have just won.
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« Reply #32 on: March 19, 2012, 05:41:20 pm »
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This would explain why I feel like I always come last when playing against friends, my ipad goes a bit quirky and likes to log me out after each game!
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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2012, 06:45:52 am »
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Moral of this topic: Don't use an iPad for playing Dominion.
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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2012, 10:13:48 am »
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Moral of this topic: Don't use an iPad.
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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2012, 04:05:51 pm »
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The only thing that really bothers me (besides people timing out instead of resigning) is people who win and then just leave without a word.  If the game was close then I think a "gg" is in order (I even usually say "gg, close one" to respect the fact that either of us could have won).  If they mutilated me then at least a "thanks for the game", or "tx", or even "sorry for the miserable triple-torturer chain!" would be nice.  Because it bothers me so much, my goal is to usually return to lobby before they can so I am not annoyed by what they do or don't say.

You don't like when people end the game and instantly return to the lobby without saying anything. Your solution is to instantly return to the lobby after games without saying anything. I guess that makes sense  :-\

I should have been more clear: when I win, I say "gg" or something else pleasant.  When I lose I usually leave before the person who won can leave, because if I don't and they just run off it will irritate me.
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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2012, 06:29:16 pm »
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Moral of this topic: Don't use an iPad for playing Dominion.

Its the ipad or I have to trudge all the way home.....
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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2012, 06:52:26 pm »
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The only thing that really bothers me (besides people timing out instead of resigning) is people who win and then just leave without a word.  If the game was close then I think a "gg" is in order (I even usually say "gg, close one" to respect the fact that either of us could have won).  If they mutilated me then at least a "thanks for the game", or "tx", or even "sorry for the miserable triple-torturer chain!" would be nice.  Because it bothers me so much, my goal is to usually return to lobby before they can so I am not annoyed by what they do or don't say.

You don't like when people end the game and instantly return to the lobby without saying anything. Your solution is to instantly return to the lobby after games without saying anything. I guess that makes sense  :-\

I should have been more clear: when I win, I say "gg" or something else pleasant.  When I lose I usually leave before the person who won can leave, because if I don't and they just run off it will irritate me.

Your quote is misattributed.  That was Thisisnotasmile's post.
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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2012, 07:56:13 pm »
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Your quote is misattributed.  That was Thisisnotasmile's post.

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« Reply #39 on: March 22, 2012, 11:15:47 am »
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I'm starting to wish people would resign more often.  I've had a couple of games recently where I had won mathematically, but either I was too green or my opponent was too slow so I had to make both of us miserable by playing it out for another dozen turns.  I'd feel like a jerk asking someone to resign, but I wish it were possible to show that someone was not catchable on boards where this can be determined.

On the flip side, I will automatically resign if I notice that I'm in that position, unless I expect my opponent to win within about 30 more seconds of playing.
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« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2012, 07:26:42 am »
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I just had a game where someone asked: Do you mind if I resign?

I told him: of course not.

To me resigning is as honorful as Seppuku. Just don't expect me to support your family.  :D

But seriously, sometimes you're so horrendously beat that there's no point in going on and waste both players' time.
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« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2012, 08:23:59 am »
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I'm starting to wish people would resign more often.  I've had a couple of games recently where I had won mathematically, but either I was too green or my opponent was too slow so I had to make both of us miserable by playing it out for another dozen turns.  I'd feel like a jerk asking someone to resign, but I wish it were possible to show that someone was not catchable on boards where this can be determined.

On the flip side, I will automatically resign if I notice that I'm in that position, unless I expect my opponent to win within about 30 more seconds of playing.

I'm with you on this. The problem is that the only time I've ever been asked to resign, the guy was a jerk about it -- maybe if he had approached me with some more respect, I would have considered it. On the flipside, I guess, I don't think I'm in many games where it's a) really impossible for the other person to catch up and b) going to take a long time to make them realize it.

Really, it's much more often where I'm in a situation where one of us has 3 Provinces to the other person's 0 and we both know where this is going but we play it out anyway even though "mathematically" if the winner just stopped buying green the other could win. I often resign in these cases on the losing end of this so we're not wasting our time, but if I'm winning, it's harder to make the case to them that they ought to give up.

Anyway, if you have it locked, I think it's reasonable to point out that the person literally can't win ... although maybe sticking it out is just the price you pay for being better.  ;)
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« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2012, 11:09:45 am »
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I ask my opponents to resign when I have 43 points as player 2 or 44 points as player one on a standard board.
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« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2012, 11:32:18 am »
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"a standard board" = no colonies, no VP-chips, no Possession/Ambassador combo?
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« Reply #46 on: July 13, 2012, 11:50:48 am »
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I'll offer to accept a resignation when I think it's clear I am going to win, regardless of the current score.  I could have fewer points than my opponent, but have some KC+Wharf+Ambassador craziness going that is bloating their deck at a rate of 6 coppers (or curses) a turn.

It's not really about mathematical impossibility, just a high likelihood of a long and drawn out loss ahead for my opponent.
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« Reply #47 on: July 13, 2012, 12:37:54 pm »
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But some people like to fight to the bitter end is all I'm saying. So as long as you offer in a polite way and don't consider it petty when they refuse.
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2012, 02:22:28 pm »
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To me resigning is as honorful as Seppuku.

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« Reply #49 on: October 23, 2016, 09:06:09 pm »
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I tend to resign when the game is fairly hopeless both IRL and on Isotropic (I might even resign too early sometimes).  I have no problem with my opponent resigning if they are losing, but several people I have played recently seem upset when I do resign.  This is in spite of saying things like "Good game ... very nice deck" and so on.  My son when we play in real life also becomes annoyed when I resign.

I understand wanting to see your megaturn go off and so on, but why would you respond with scorn if your opponent concedes your deck's superiority?

I wonder what everyone else thinks: should you sit through a clearly lost game?  Is it rude to resign?  Or is it okay to resign so you don't have to sit through until the brutal end?

This is a valid question, and to me it's simple: In a two-player game, it's perfectly OK to resign when you're sure you're losing. This is a tried and true method of admitting defeat in most traditional two-player games like chess and go. It's considered rude, in fact, not to resign if you're sure you have no way of winning (or reach a draw), in these games. The reasoning is simple: No player can end the game by saying "I'm going to win, so let's just call it a win for me". That really would be rude! The losing player can, however, do that, by admitting that they're beaten. The winning player doesn't have that option, and no player should feel offended if the loser resigns. You still win. He or she can't steal that win from you, even if you don't get to play another megaturn or two.

But this changes dramatically in a multi-player game, IMHO, as it might ruin the balance of the game considerably. Someone may have built up an amazing engine, but might lose because they haven't been around long enough to reap the benefits of that engine yet, while some other player may have their opening three estates and win, despite a clearly inferior deck.

These are just my thoughts, though. I don't usually resign myself (so I would be considered rude in a typical chess community), but I never feel offended in any way, if someone concedes a two-player game with me. They acknowledge defeat and hand me my win. How is that bad?
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« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2016, 09:16:01 pm »
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« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2016, 08:00:48 am »
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The only times I resign IRL or online is when I ragequit (which is quite rare). I always get annoyed when people resign online right before my megaturn. I feel like the person is saying "I'm only here to win, If I'm loosing, this game is a waste of my time". They rob you of the enjoyment of winning. I remember one time I used Apprentice/Peddler/Pawn to draw an insane amount of cards, (I was very proud I came up with such a neat combo because I had never played with Alchemy cards and I don't own Pawn) and while I was buying out the Peddlers, I realized I could still afford 2 Colonies. My opponent resigned. I was ticked. Yes, we are both here to have fun, but if loosing a game means you wasted your time, I probably don't want to play with you.

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« Reply #52 on: October 24, 2016, 08:23:15 am »
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It depends upon the board, surely. I wouldn't expect any reasonable player to get mad at an opponent for resigning after they've been Kingsgoonsqueraded, for example.
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« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2016, 12:58:02 pm »
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I rarely play strangers but in 2017 I'm going to start - regardless, I think an opponent resigning in a 2p game is slightly rude when it's done on my turn.  When I resign I almost always wait for my turn in order to end it - it just feels crappy to be rolling on a turn and then have the game seize up and I wonder, 'did the server die, is my Internet connection out, etc.' only to find out my opponent resigned.   But yeah, in 2p games I can't see who has a problem with resigning except maybe players that haven't played many games and want to see how an X/Y/Z engine plays out.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2016, 03:15:05 am »
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I feel like the person is saying "I'm only here to win, If I'm loosing, this game is a waste of my time".

I feel like the person is probably saying something more like "I'm only here to play, if the game is already decided, it's a waste of my time".


I always resign as soon as I realize that I'm losing with pretty high certainty. For example when the opponent plays all of his Treasures and I see that he now has enough dollars to end the game on that turn. I also appreciate it when my opponents do the same.
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Re: Is resigning considered rude?
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2016, 08:35:30 am »
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I'm generally a little annoyed when people resign at the end of my final turn. It feels really satisfying to actually pile out! I understand why people do it though.

I'm less annoyed when people resign in the middle or near the end of a game they can't win. They just save me time that way.

I'm most comfortable when people resign during their own turn.

Generally when I resign too early I ask, unless I'm really frustrated. No one's ever said no.
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