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New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« on: July 31, 2019, 04:16:40 pm »
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from the RGG Instagram/Twitter account.
https://www.instagram.com/p/B0l_YXPAMrt/?igshid=109hc2jjmbkup
https://twitter.com/riograndegames/status/1156654389802786817

One named Church.
One named Captain.
No details yet on card effects.
Both durations.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2019, 04:27:19 pm »
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Also you'll be able to play them online tomorrow (at dominion.games).
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2019, 07:05:00 am »
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Will they be available outside GenCon eventually?
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2019, 09:50:16 am »
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I'd be amazed if they weren't.
All previous Dominion promos ended up being stocked on the bgg store eventually.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2019, 12:04:11 pm »
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Will they be available outside GenCon eventually?
English copies will be available at BGG. For other languages, it's up to those publishers as to if/how they make the cards available.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2019, 12:09:46 pm »
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Is it OK to post what the cards are here? I think they seem interesting additions, but don't want to go against any protocol / ruin anyone's surprise.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2019, 12:18:48 pm »
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Please do! I'm not going to have time to play for the next few days but I'd like to see what they are.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2019, 12:24:51 pm »
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OK!

Church
Action - Duration - $3
+1 Action
Set aside up to 3 cards from your hand face down.  At the start of your next turn, put them into your hand, then you may trash a card from your hand.

Captain
Action - Duration - $6
Now and at the start of your next turn: Play a non-Duration Action card from the Supply costing up to $4, leaving it there.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2019, 12:55:24 pm by scolapasta »
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2019, 12:48:53 pm »
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So can we talk about them?

I'll use spoiler tags too for now...

How does captain interact with 'played' cards like Conspirator?  Does the card you play count as a 'played' card for it?

Next question:  Does it have the be the same card played both times (now and start)?
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2019, 12:54:12 pm »
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So can we talk about them?

I'll use spoiler tags too for now...

How does captain interact with 'played' cards like Conspirator?  Does the card you play count as a 'played' card for it?

Next question:  Does it have the be the same card played both times (now and start)?


You know, what? I've decided to just go ahead and remove the spoiler tags - they're live online, so anyone can go see them there, and well, the name of the thread pretty much implies they're going to be talked about here.

That said, the answers to your questions (based on how other similar cards act) are:
1. Yes
2. No
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2019, 12:58:16 pm »
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(Summary of Discord discussion below. If I understand correctly, the interaction was originally described by Seprix during Playtesting)

In the presence of ferry, band of misfits and any other cost reducer, Captain enables the following infinite loop:

(1) Buy ferry on Captain
(2) Play cost reducer
(3)
   (a) Play Captain as Band of Misfits
   (b) Play Band of Misfits as Captain
   (c) Goto a

While this does not do anything on the turn it is played, it allows you to play an arbitrary number of cards costing up to 4, at the beginning of next turn.

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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2019, 01:04:03 pm »
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(1. Yes / 2. No)

In the presence of ferry, band of misfits and any other cost reducer, Captain enables the following infinite loop:
This will probably go away when I fix Band of Misfits (though I won't know for sure until that day comes, when we work on the Dark Ages layout).
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2019, 01:37:46 pm »
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First game with captain: it's hella good when death cart is around..
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2019, 01:56:18 pm »
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shameless plug
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2019, 02:01:30 pm »
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So is Captain more or less simply Band of Misfits that works both now and next turn, for a cost of instead of ? That sounds way way better than BoM.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2019, 02:36:51 pm »
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So is Captain more or less simply Band of Misfits that works both now and next turn, for a cost of instead of ? That sounds way way better than BoM.

on the surface, yes!

although there is different wording to watch out for between Band of Misfits / Overlord / Captain (which appear to be mostly stronger for the Captain... for example Overlord pretending to be sir martin will result in a trashed overlord if it hits another knight... but captain I believe will stay in your deck)

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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2019, 03:09:10 pm »
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So is Captain more or less simply Band of Misfits that works both now and next turn, for a cost of instead of ? That sounds way way better than BoM.

Out of the couple games I've played today, it is way, way better than BoM
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2019, 04:19:56 pm »
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The fact that you get something at the start of your next turn is what makes it way better than BoM. It can be used to give you extra actions/cards/trashes/etc., and the fact that you get to pick what you want to play after seeing your next hand is amazing.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2019, 04:27:56 pm »
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So is Captain more or less simply Band of Misfits that works both now and next turn, for a cost of instead of ? That sounds way way better than BoM.

on the surface, yes!

although there is different wording to watch out for between Band of Misfits / Overlord / Captain (which appear to be mostly stronger for the Captain... for example Overlord pretending to be sir martin will result in a trashed overlord if it hits another knight... but captain I believe will stay in your deck)

I think it is more comparable to Necromancer on supply.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2019, 06:31:35 pm »
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Wow, church sounds wacky  8)
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2019, 06:42:02 pm »
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In the presence of ferry, band of misfits and any other cost reducer, Captain enables the following infinite loop:
This will probably go away when I fix Band of Misfits (though I won't know for sure until that day comes, when we work on the Dark Ages layout).

Is Captain intended to be sort of a test drive for a fixed Band of Misfits?
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2019, 01:45:33 am »
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Just tried out a few games with Captain (and one with Church).
The first game was with Church and it was cool. nothing especially new or crazy about it.

Captain easily gets crazy, and I got it with crazy combos on the board like Throne Room and Canal.
(We happened to get two games with Canal)
Fun moments:
- We didn't get a board with Death Cart, but we did get Pillage + Canal.
- The last board was particularly crazy with Canal, Villain, Recruiter, Market, Throne Room, Smithy, Encampment, etc... We needed more Provinces for a game like that.
Notable moments:
- realizing that Captain doesn't really work with Highway and Groundkeeper ('while this is in play' on a card that doesn't get put in play). (That was the first game with Canal.)
- Captain is still worthwhile when the only cards costing $4 or less are Worker's Village, Page, and Poor House. (yes, there was trashing on the board so Poor House could be good.)

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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2019, 07:03:25 am »
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Captain: I am not sure what the "leaving it there" phrase means. At first I thought it means Cleanup skips the played cards.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2019, 07:50:26 am »
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Captain: I am not sure what the "leaving it there" phrase means. At first I thought it means Cleanup skips the played cards.
It implies that, unlike the wicked BoM, the noble Captain is immortal. BoM as Encampment, Death Cart, etc. would potentially leave your play area while Captain does not.
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Re: New Promos: Church, Captain (Gen Con 2019)
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2019, 08:59:26 am »
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Captain: I am not sure what the "leaving it there" phrase means. At first I thought it means Cleanup skips the played cards.
It implies that, unlike the wicked BoM, the noble Captain is immortal. BoM as Encampment, Death Cart, etc. would potentially leave your play area while Captain does not.

Wrong...

"Leaving it there" means that when you play the card from the supply costing or less, you leave that card in the supply; it never moves to your in-play area. So Village is in the supply.. you play Village, but you don't move it. Captain is in-play like normal, and gets cleaned up like normal.

The same wording is used on Necromancer.
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