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Author Topic: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Game over ; Mafia wins flawlessly)  (Read 174690 times)

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1400 on: October 01, 2019, 10:35:59 pm »

I hope these posts were helpful to somebody. I feel pulled in both directions.

They are helpful, feeling pulled as well, so it’s nice to get an alternative reading.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1401 on: October 02, 2019, 12:34:44 am »

where he scum reads his opponent

This is alternative facts. I have never said that.

Well, give me the actual narrative then.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1402 on: October 02, 2019, 12:36:37 am »

where he scum reads his opponent

This is alternative facts. I have never said that.

Well, give me the actual narrative then.

Is it that you just don't town read me? Who do you scum read?

Oh wait, we aren't sharing reads, so I have to infer your reads from your votes. So you scum read all the town
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1403 on: October 02, 2019, 04:51:28 am »

Given the lack of content (again!) in this day, I think scum are just able to hold back again.

Which makes me think this duel is town/town or scum/scum. And I think there's a good chance that it's the latter
I worked hard on my posts. I consider them content.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1404 on: October 02, 2019, 06:00:19 am »

where he scum reads his opponent

This is alternative facts. I have never said that.

Well, give me the actual narrative then.

Are you going to vote for yourself over me if I give you the actual narrative?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1405 on: October 02, 2019, 06:54:53 am »

where he scum reads his opponent

This is alternative facts. I have never said that.

Well, give me the actual narrative then.

Are you going to vote for yourself over me if I give you the actual narrative?

Rest of us might.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1406 on: October 02, 2019, 07:13:45 am »

Well, the narrative is that I didn't think I would win the duel.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1407 on: October 02, 2019, 12:42:50 pm »

I voted yes

I'm scum reading e and am leaning there for my vote but need to do a reread first

Have you had a chance to do your reread? Interested in your thoughts about which one of these is the best choice, in part because I've reconsidered my tunneling.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1408 on: October 02, 2019, 02:57:08 pm »

I voted yes

I'm scum reading e and am leaning there for my vote but need to do a reread first

Have you had a chance to do your reread? Interested in your thoughts about which one of these is the best choice, in part because I've reconsidered my tunneling.

Unfortunately it will have to wait until tomorrow (irl not in game) as I've had some real life stuff going on in the time that I had set aside to do the read
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1409 on: October 03, 2019, 09:06:13 am »

Vote: e
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1410 on: October 03, 2019, 09:46:04 am »

Vote count?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1411 on: October 03, 2019, 09:58:03 am »

Vote: e

Vote: e

Ack, I missed.
??

Care to offer some reasons, data point, or anything we can work with? You've been on e most of the game, hard to tell why.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1412 on: October 03, 2019, 10:02:19 am »

Honestly, same.

I just think he’s a baddie.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1413 on: October 03, 2019, 10:54:58 am »

Vote Count 4.2

e (2): Awaclus, Uncleeurope
Awaclus (2): e, Joseph2302

Not Voting (5): A Drowned Kernel, Debatepro, mcmcsalot, Robz888, EFHW

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1414 on: October 03, 2019, 11:57:18 am »

Vote: Awaclus
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1415 on: October 03, 2019, 11:57:53 am »

@e, do you have anything to say about my post on you?

@Awaclus, same question
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1416 on: October 03, 2019, 12:09:09 pm »

Vote: Awaclus
Want to give your reasoning?


I just reread awaclus, I have my thoughts ready but I want to hear from robz first.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1417 on: October 03, 2019, 12:21:55 pm »

Vote: Awaclus
Want to give your reasoning?


I just reread awaclus, I have my thoughts ready but I want to hear from robz first.

Mostly because he's been pathologically unhelpful, to the point of trying to shut down legitimate conversation over and over again, and he has a very anti-duel voting record, whereas it is pro-town to be pro-duel. My confidence level in him being scum is not high, and indeed it could ver well be that he seems scummier than is thus town, but what can I do, that's my vote.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1418 on: October 03, 2019, 12:46:26 pm »

it is pro-town to be pro-duel

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1419 on: October 03, 2019, 12:49:03 pm »

This is what's bugging me about robz this game: he keeps trying to reframe the debate about the duels in a way that's contrary to people's actual stated positions. It's never been "pro-duel vs. anti-duel", it's "people who want to duel every time no matter what vs. people who want to vote based on their reads"

And why do you say that awaclus's voting records on the duels is "anti-duel" when it's mostly unrevealed?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1420 on: October 03, 2019, 12:49:39 pm »

Anyway I'm going to do my reread now, hopefully I come to something useful regarding e vs. awaclus
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1421 on: October 03, 2019, 01:37:16 pm »

@Awaclus, same question

Not really, the facts appear to be correct there and the rest is just a matter of opinion.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1422 on: October 03, 2019, 02:13:04 pm »

so I reread awaclus, and it’s not an overly towny read.

I agree with adk both robz and e have been overly framing awaclus as more anti-duel then he ever has been. The scummy part is that he has just ignored all attempts to get him to tell us how he voted on previous duels. It’s unlike town!awaclus to silently protest something the group is doing.

My biggest fear is this is town v town because my scum reads are being really hedgy about their votes. Blegh I’m really hedgy too though because of how weak my reads are on these two so maybe I am reading too much into that this is just a weirdly null duel pairing and neither of the duelists are lobbying hard against the other one.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1423 on: October 03, 2019, 03:16:13 pm »


My biggest fear is this is town v town because my scum reads are being really hedgy about their votes.

Who are hedgy scum reads?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1424 on: October 03, 2019, 03:31:16 pm »

So, the good news is I did a reread and came away with the conviction that there's a fairly decent chance that e and awaclus are both scum

Both awaclus and e have a lot of posts D1 and D2 that are low-content; joke posts and posts talking about the duels and the setup, with very little posts giving actual reads in between. Both voted early on datswan, yet were involved in very little of the following discussion

There's also very little interaction between the two of them throughout the game (until today obviously), with the exception of an interesting exchange at the start of D2

What struck me is that

1) It seems too immediately aware of the implications of the kill. e's post assumes awaclus's reasoning behind the vote, and that assumption goes unchallenged. It has the feeling of being a staged interaction to me

2) When the duel goes through, e lands on a glooble vote anyway, when he was willing to vote awaclus for voting there before

Awaclus:

The thread that most interested me on a reread is awaclus's interactions with mix and his subsuquent pushing of glooble. Awaclus's first post of the game is a (presumably RVS) vote for mix. He has quite a few posts after this that are pretty much contentless as far as reads or votes go. Then, he revotes for mix after mix votes him, with pretty flimsy reasoning. His position is that revealing duel votes is bad and something that scum would want, but at this point almost every player except him has expressed at least a willingness to claim their votes, and awaclus gives no reason to single out mix as particularly scummy

Then, on D2, awaclus pushes glooble. As summed up nicely by debate here, awaclus has a lot to say about how mix's reads in relation to glooble's scumminess (which he then disclaims without providing any alternative reasoning). Given that mix was scumreading awaclus, there's a reasonable scum narrative that awaclus is trying to deflect attention away from that aspect of the NK while pushing a fairly achievable mislynch

e:

A lot of e's posts have a feeling to me of being a sort of performative, “look at me, I'm so unconcerned and towny” vibe. Has a lot of posts that seem to be more about making an effort to appear active than actually pushing any sort of cases. Multiple DAMAs, claims to have voted for two duels that included himself. There isn't a strong thread like the awaclus-mix-glooble thing because he never seems particularly concerned about pushing anyone's lynch, only jumping on wagons after they've already been started

At the end of the day, I would happily vote for either of them, which I know is kind of a cop out, but I honestly think we may have hit the jackpot in a scum vs. scum duel

Our IC is on awaclus, so all other things being equal, I'm going to follow him there

vote: awaclus

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