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[Swowl]

Glooble/Joth: Who is skum?

other than people you are related to

[Swowl]

I voted no again. As I said I’m not convinced either joth or glooble are scum. I think the Pr is not going to be worth not getting any more cases made today. I think this duel was great for scum.

We also now have 3 of 4 duel participants voting for the duel. E, joth, and glooble.

what is more interesting is that both Joth and Glooble supposedly voted yes to this engagement of the duel. There really hasn't been any sway one way or another in terms of majority on the two of them if I am remember correctly. The fact that either of them would think they could win against the other is strange to me.

[Swowl]

and bed.

[Swowl]

Vote Count 2.4

Glooble (2): Awaclus, jotheonah
jothenoah (3): Glooble, Joseph2302, EFHW

Not Voting (7): Uncleeurope, DatSwan, mcmcsalot, Robz888, A Drowned Kernel, e, Debatepro, Glooble

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 2 ends on September 18, 05:00 forum time.

last thing... Glooble is off and on here.

[Awaclus]

Glooble/Joth: Who is skum?

other than people you are related to

What is this supposed to accomplish?

[Glooble]

Swan, if reads lists are a horrible idea for town, that is way more scum points for the guy who suggested them than the guy who followed. But I stand by my argument that making the list I made makes no sense for a scum player.

The only time I “sheeped” joth was on pubby, and at that point I was still townreading him. I didn’t start scum reading him until his case on me.

BtW I’m not going to be available most of today.

[Glooble]

Glooble/Joth: Who is skum?

other than people you are related to

Maybe ADK, Maybe Robz, maybe Awaclus. Don’t count out mcmcsalot either, he’s very slippery as scum, though on the whole I find scum!mcmcsalot to be more controlling of the game than town mcmcsalot, so he wouldn’t be my first choice.

In retrospect I shouldn’t have voted for the duel, but again, as scum I definitely would have voted against it.

[jotheonah]

I tend to agree— looking at Robz and Awa but not like super confident. I’d also put Joseph on that list.

Townreading ADK, Swan, e, Eddie (though I can’t read him for shit so who knows)

I have to reread debate and I’m null on mcmc

[jotheonah]

I voted no again. As I said I’m not convinced either joth or glooble are scum. I think the Pr is not going to be worth not getting any more cases made today. I think this duel was great for scum.

We also now have 3 of 4 duel participants voting for the duel. E, joth, and glooble.

what is more interesting is that both Joth and Glooble supposedly voted yes to this engagement of the duel. There really hasn't been any sway one way or another in terms of majority on the two of them if I am remember correctly. The fact that either of them would think they could win against the other is strange to me.

Look at day 1 pre-duel. Glooble was the leading wagon. Seemed like lots of folks were itching to vote for him. I figured this would be a slam dunk and I’m genuinely surprised it’s so contentious.

[jotheonah]

Sorry, Day 2 pre-duel

[A Drowned Kernel]

I voted no again. As I said I’m not convinced either joth or glooble are scum. I think the Pr is not going to be worth not getting any more cases made today. I think this duel was great for scum.

We also now have 3 of 4 duel participants voting for the duel. E, joth, and glooble.

what is more interesting is that both Joth and Glooble supposedly voted yes to this engagement of the duel. There really hasn't been any sway one way or another in terms of majority on the two of them if I am remember correctly. The fact that either of them would think they could win against the other is strange to me.

Look at day 1 pre-duel. Glooble was the leading wagon. Seemed like lots of folks were itching to vote for him. I figured this would be a slam dunk and I’m genuinely surprised it’s so contentious.

I'm going to be honest, this is part of the reason I'm starting to lean toward voting you

[2.71828.....]

Vote Count 1.6

Glooble (3): jotheonah, MiX, A Drowned Kernel
Robz888 (1): pubby
jotheonah (2): Glooble, EFHW
e (1): DatSwan
MiX (1): Awaclus
pubby (3): mcmcsalot, Joseph2302, Robz888

Not Voting (3): Debatepro, Uncleeurope, e

So this is the largest Glooble wagon I could find D1. I think pre-duel D1 "itching to vote" is a lot different than "itching to lynch"

I think that scum could very well have stayed away from Glooble and ignored the growing wagon hoping a duel would get rid of their problems.

Basically, ADK and I are reading the same thing, ADK thinks it makes joth look scummy, I think it makes Glooble look scummy

[Debatepro]

Vote Count 1.6
....

So this is the largest Glooble wagon I could find D1. I think pre-duel D1 "itching to vote" is a lot different than "itching to lynch"

I think that scum could very well have stayed away from Glooble and ignored the growing wagon hoping a duel would get rid of their problems.

Basically, ADK and I are reading the same thing, ADK thinks it makes joth look scummy, I think it makes Glooble look scummy

Unless I am missing something, Joth amended his statement to D2 pre-duel in the next post.

Sorry, Day 2 pre-duel

This is the latest vote count prior to the announcement of the duel.

Glooble (3): Awaclus, ADK, Joseph
Awaclus (2): e, eddie
Robz (1): Joth
ADK (1): Glooble

Not Voting: DatSwan, Debatepro, EFHW, Robz, MCMC

Vote#	Post#	---By---	---For---	---------TimeStamp-----	Notes
D2-1	636	Awaclus	Glooble	Sept 09 04:16:34 am	NR
D2-2	671	e	Awaclus	Sept 09 05:24:13 am	NR-Scummy and opportunistic (673)
D2-3	684	ADK	e	Sept 09 08:44:08 am	NR
D2-4	685	ADK	Glooble	Sept 09 08:46:43 am	NR
D2-5	687	Joth	Robz	Sept 09 08:58:15 am	Pointing others on Pubby wagon, lame, Robz scummiest on wagon IMO
D2-6	701	Glooble	ADK	Sept 09 11:07:09 AM	Awaclus, ADK, Robz voted for pubby, mix, and glooble. (701)
D2-7	726	Joseph	Glooble	Sept 09 03:07:32 pm	725 based on debates data, MiX votes for Glooble/Debate must be one of them
D2-8	737	Eddie	Awaclus	Sept 10 06:34:39 am	Awaclus or Glooble evil, Awaclus has fewer votes

[Swowl]

Glooble/Joth: Who is skum?

other than people you are related to

What is this supposed to accomplish?

You’re smart - math it out

[Swowl]

Swan, if reads lists are a horrible idea for town, that is way more scum points for the guy who suggested them than the guy who followed. But I stand by my argument that making the list I made makes no sense for a scum player.

The only time I “sheeped” joth was on pubby, and at that point I was still townreading him. I didn’t start scum reading him until his case on me.

BtW I’m not going to be available most of today.

Sheepish Joth point is fair enough.
I disagree with you that it is skinnier or Joth to say let’s do reads list tha. It was for you to follow suit.

[Awaclus]

Glooble/Joth: Who is skum?

other than people you are related to

What is this supposed to accomplish?

You’re smart - math it out

Well, the goal that it mostly seems to contribute towards is a scum victory.

[jotheonah]

Vote Count 1.6
....

So this is the largest Glooble wagon I could find D1. I think pre-duel D1 "itching to vote" is a lot different than "itching to lynch"

I think that scum could very well have stayed away from Glooble and ignored the growing wagon hoping a duel would get rid of their problems.

Basically, ADK and I are reading the same thing, ADK thinks it makes joth look scummy, I think it makes Glooble look scummy

Unless I am missing something, Joth amended his statement to D2 pre-duel in the next post.

Sorry, Day 2 pre-duel

This is the latest vote count prior to the announcement of the duel.

Glooble (3): Awaclus, ADK, Joseph
Awaclus (2): e, eddie
Robz (1): Joth
ADK (1): Glooble

Not Voting: DatSwan, Debatepro, EFHW, Robz, MCMC

Vote#	Post#	---By---	---For---	---------TimeStamp-----	Notes
D2-1	636	Awaclus	Glooble	Sept 09 04:16:34 am	NR
D2-2	671	e	Awaclus	Sept 09 05:24:13 am	NR-Scummy and opportunistic (673)
D2-3	684	ADK	e	Sept 09 08:44:08 am	NR
D2-4	685	ADK	Glooble	Sept 09 08:46:43 am	NR
D2-5	687	Joth	Robz	Sept 09 08:58:15 am	Pointing others on Pubby wagon, lame, Robz scummiest on wagon IMO
D2-6	701	Glooble	ADK	Sept 09 11:07:09 AM	Awaclus, ADK, Robz voted for pubby, mix, and glooble. (701)
D2-7	726	Joseph	Glooble	Sept 09 03:07:32 pm	725 based on debates data, MiX votes for Glooble/Debate must be one of them
D2-8	737	Eddie	Awaclus	Sept 10 06:34:39 am	Awaclus or Glooble evil, Awaclus has fewer votes

Thank you debate. If you were me and you saw that vote count, wouldn’t you vote for the duel? It’s less clear why Glooble would vote yes.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote Count 1.6
....

So this is the largest Glooble wagon I could find D1. I think pre-duel D1 "itching to vote" is a lot different than "itching to lynch"

I think that scum could very well have stayed away from Glooble and ignored the growing wagon hoping a duel would get rid of their problems.

Basically, ADK and I are reading the same thing, ADK thinks it makes joth look scummy, I think it makes Glooble look scummy

Unless I am missing something, Joth amended his statement to D2 pre-duel in the next post.

Sorry, Day 2 pre-duel

This is the latest vote count prior to the announcement of the duel.

Glooble (3): Awaclus, ADK, Joseph
Awaclus (2): e, eddie
Robz (1): Joth
ADK (1): Glooble

Not Voting: DatSwan, Debatepro, EFHW, Robz, MCMC

Vote#	Post#	---By---	---For---	---------TimeStamp-----	Notes
D2-1	636	Awaclus	Glooble	Sept 09 04:16:34 am	NR
D2-2	671	e	Awaclus	Sept 09 05:24:13 am	NR-Scummy and opportunistic (673)
D2-3	684	ADK	e	Sept 09 08:44:08 am	NR
D2-4	685	ADK	Glooble	Sept 09 08:46:43 am	NR
D2-5	687	Joth	Robz	Sept 09 08:58:15 am	Pointing others on Pubby wagon, lame, Robz scummiest on wagon IMO
D2-6	701	Glooble	ADK	Sept 09 11:07:09 AM	Awaclus, ADK, Robz voted for pubby, mix, and glooble. (701)
D2-7	726	Joseph	Glooble	Sept 09 03:07:32 pm	725 based on debates data, MiX votes for Glooble/Debate must be one of them
D2-8	737	Eddie	Awaclus	Sept 10 06:34:39 am	Awaclus or Glooble evil, Awaclus has fewer votes

Thank you debate. If you were me and you saw that vote count, wouldn’t you vote for the duel? It’s less clear why Glooble would vote yes.

If the duel was entered with the expectation that joth would probably win, and scum potentially contributed to that decision with their votes, then it's worth considering reversing that expectation

[A Drowned Kernel]

"joth winning" here means "doesn't get lynched"

[Debatepro]

Thank you debate. If you were me and you saw that vote count, wouldn’t you vote for the duel? It’s less clear why Glooble would vote yes.

No I wouldn’t vote yes with that vote count. Joseph and Awaclus’s reason for voting is not good. They literally are voting based on the proposition that scum thought MiX’s reads were good. I would not gamble on what is 50-100% chance of hitting town.

[Swowl]

Glooble/Joth: Who is skum?

other than people you are related to

What is this supposed to accomplish?

You’re smart - math it out

Well, the goal that it mostly seems to contribute towards is a scum victory.

How is that?

[Awaclus]

They literally are voting based on the proposition that scum thought MiX’s reads were good.

What makes you think that?

[Awaclus]

Glooble/Joth: Who is skum?

other than people you are related to

What is this supposed to accomplish?

You’re smart - math it out

Well, the goal that it mostly seems to contribute towards is a scum victory.

How is that?

By giving scum more info to use.

[Debatepro]

They literally are voting based on the proposition that scum thought MiX’s reads were good.

What makes you think that?

These.

I just completely disagree that MiX was a viable mislynch target.

I guess that's why you killed him.

MiX was town but that's no reason we should trust his reads

He got nightkilled and that's a reason we should trust his reads.

Vote: Glooble

[Awaclus]

They literally are voting based on the proposition that scum thought MiX’s reads were good.

What makes you think that?

These.

I just completely disagree that MiX was a viable mislynch target.

I guess that's why you killed him.

MiX was town but that's no reason we should trust his reads

He got nightkilled and that's a reason we should trust his reads.

Vote: Glooble

That isn't why I'm voting, that's a debunking of Glooble's attempt to defend himself after I was already voting.