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[silverspawn]

Vote Count 2.3

Glooble (2): Awaclus, jotheonah
jothenoah (1): Glooble

Not Voting (9): Uncleeurope, DatSwan, mcmcsalot, Robz888, Joseph2302, A Drowned Kernel, EFHW, e, Debatepro, Glooble

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 2 ends on September 18, 05:00 forum time.

Once upon a time, there was a group of rats who saw a squire tending to a horse. Then they ate him.

"Yummy," Carl said to his fellow rat Steven.

"Indeed," Steven replied. "Oh rats! Who is this?"

"Hi," Anna said, before she impaled both rats on her sword. She threw the first into the cellar that had magically appeared, then she took a stroll through the village in order to urchin-hunt.

[jotheonah]

I voted for the duel, even though I have semi strong town reads on both Glooble and Jo. That's how much I wanted to duel!

vote: Robz

[jotheonah]

I voted yes on duel, and I'm now more skeptical of joth for switching his stance on duels for swan's plan, which accomplishes pretty much the same thing as everyone always voting yes

In my defense, I didn't really have to make a choice about the plan because I would have voted yes on this duel anyway.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I voted yes on duel, and I'm now more skeptical of joth for switching his stance on duels for swan's plan, which accomplishes pretty much the same thing as everyone always voting yes

In my defense, I didn't really have to make a choice about the plan because I would have voted yes on this duel anyway.

But you had no idea what the duel was going to be when swan proposed the plan

[Joseph2302]

Oh we have a duel. Kind of didn't expect that

You didn't expect people to vote yes on joth and glooble?

I thought all the no duellers from yesterday would vote no again

OTOH, the fact it got lots of yes votes could just mean it's town v town. But we may as well assume that isn't the case for now (as if it is  then it's tough luck and we have to kill one of them)

Although I don't personally think they're both town anyway

[mcmcsalot]

I voted no again. As I said I’m not convinced either joth or glooble are scum. I think the Pr is not going to be worth not getting any more cases made today. I think this duel was great for scum.

We also now have 3 of 4 duel participants voting for the duel. E, joth, and glooble.

[Robz888]

I voted no again. As I said I’m not convinced either joth or glooble are scum. I think the Pr is not going to be worth not getting any more cases made today. I think this duel was great for scum.

We also now have 3 of 4 duel participants voting for the duel. E, joth, and glooble.

Probably means ADK is scum!

[A Drowned Kernel]

Oh we have a duel. Kind of didn't expect that

You didn't expect people to vote yes on joth and glooble?

I thought all the no duellers from yesterday would vote no again

OTOH, the fact it got lots of yes votes could just mean it's town v town. But we may as well assume that isn't the case for now (as if it is  then it's tough luck and we have to kill one of them)

Although I don't personally think they're both town anyway

I'm pretty sure the only person who was opposed to dueling on principle was EFHW, everyone else was in the "based on reads" boat

[A Drowned Kernel]

I voted no again. As I said I’m not convinced either joth or glooble are scum. I think the Pr is not going to be worth not getting any more cases made today. I think this duel was great for scum.

We also now have 3 of 4 duel participants voting for the duel. E, joth, and glooble.

Assuming they're all telling the truth about how they voted

[Joseph2302]

I voted for the duel by the way (in case it wasn't obvious)

[Joseph2302]

Vote: joth

This is L-5

[EFHW]

I actually voted yes. The joth/Glooble thing generates a lot of discussion. I don't have strong town reads on either of them and I'd like to see how good the pr's are going to be. Call it an experiment.

[jotheonah]

There's something really sad about the fact that MiX was the one who so badly wanted to see a twinfight, yet he's the one who's not around to see it.

Pour one out for our homie.

[Swowl]

Well robz you got your dish... twin battle. Lol

[EFHW]

There's something really sad about the fact that MiX was the one who so badly wanted to see a twinfight, yet he's the one who's not around to see it.

Pour one out for our homie.

He can watch it from heaven aka the speccy.

[EFHW]

Now what? Should each dueler make a case for why they are town while the rest of us look for scumminess? I'm going to start rereading.

[2.71828.....]

I also voted yes to the duel.

Very much inclined to vote Glooble here as Joth was a pretty strong town read for me going back to D1.  Glooble (or anyone who wants to make the case), why should I vote Joth?

[jotheonah]

Joseph, what happened between

Based on that, Vote: Glooble

and

Vote: joth

This is L-5

?

[jotheonah]

I would direct everyone to my original case on Glooble:

I think Glooble is scum. vote: Glooble

-- clip --

He responded to that case in kind of a scummy way. Like an OMGUS with extra steps. It's possible that he's town who honestly doesn't believe I could misread him this badly as town, and is therefor voting for me for voting for him. That's not crazy logic. But it's equally possible that he's scum who knows the best argument against my case is to discredit me.

All game the root of my Glooble case is that all his scumreads feel fake and contrived. His scumread on me is no different. He reads like someone looking for a lynch (and.or for survival), not someone looking for scum.

I'll try to do some further rereading, but really my case on Glooble is largely out there already. I can only people are more inclined to agree with it than they were on Day 1.

[Joseph2302]

Joseph, what happened between

Based on that, Vote: Glooble

and

Vote: joth

This is L-5

?

Thinking time. And I need to think more to be honest
Honestly don't think I've played with either of you much/at all before, so having a hard time reading you both

[Glooble]

I would direct everyone to my original case on Glooble:

I think Glooble is scum. vote: Glooble

-- clip --

He responded to that case in kind of a scummy way. Like an OMGUS with extra steps. It's possible that he's town who honestly doesn't believe I could misread him this badly as town, and is therefor voting for me for voting for him. That's not crazy logic. But it's equally possible that he's scum who knows the best argument against my case is to discredit me.

All game the root of my Glooble case is that all his scumreads feel fake and contrived. His scumread on me is no different. He reads like someone looking for a lynch (and.or for survival), not someone looking for scum.

I'll try to do some further rereading, but really my case on Glooble is largely out there already. I can only people are more inclined to agree with it than they were on Day 1.

Honestly, joth's case on me is my #1 reason for thinking joth is scum. I don't in fact, believe he could misread me this badly as town. His slip up about saying he voted for the duel on day one because of my case on ADK when I had actually made a case on DatSwan also feels like a mistake much more likely to come from a scum joth trying to come up with a fake justification for a vote than from a town joth trying to decide how to vote.

If I was trying to stay alive I would %100 have voted against this duel. If I was scum my best defense against that case would not have been to turn on joth. That would have been a stupid play. It would have been better to either deflect to someone else or just ignore joth's case and let it blow over (which it more or less did, at least day one.) Because making a case on the person making a case on you looks scummy, and I'm aware of this, whether I'm scum or town. As town, I opted to do it anyway because finding scum is more important than keeping myself alive. As scum I absolutely would not have.

Joth is also aware of this, which is why he made his case on me out of no where before I could make a case on him. I still think this is the most plausible scenario - joth knows I can read him well enough that I'm going to start suspecting him eventually, so he makes a pre-emptive case on me to make my eventual turn on him look like OMGUS.

[jotheonah]

I would direct everyone to my original case on Glooble:

I think Glooble is scum. vote: Glooble

-- clip --

He responded to that case in kind of a scummy way. Like an OMGUS with extra steps. It's possible that he's town who honestly doesn't believe I could misread him this badly as town, and is therefor voting for me for voting for him. That's not crazy logic. But it's equally possible that he's scum who knows the best argument against my case is to discredit me.

All game the root of my Glooble case is that all his scumreads feel fake and contrived. His scumread on me is no different. He reads like someone looking for a lynch (and.or for survival), not someone looking for scum.

I'll try to do some further rereading, but really my case on Glooble is largely out there already. I can only people are more inclined to agree with it than they were on Day 1.

Honestly, joth's case on me is my #1 reason for thinking joth is scum. I don't in fact, believe he could misread me this badly as town. His slip up about saying he voted for the duel on day one because of my case on ADK when I had actually made a case on DatSwan also feels like a mistake much more likely to come from a scum joth trying to come up with a fake justification for a vote than from a town joth trying to decide how to vote.

If I was trying to stay alive I would %100 have voted against this duel. If I was scum my best defense against that case would not have been to turn on joth. That would have been a stupid play. It would have been better to either deflect to someone else or just ignore joth's case and let it blow over (which it more or less did, at least day one.) Because making a case on the person making a case on you looks scummy, and I'm aware of this, whether I'm scum or town. As town, I opted to do it anyway because finding scum is more important than keeping myself alive. As scum I absolutely would not have.

Joth is also aware of this, which is why he made his case on me out of no where before I could make a case on him. I still think this is the most plausible scenario - joth knows I can read him well enough that I'm going to start suspecting him eventually, so he makes a pre-emptive case on me to make my eventual turn on him look like OMGUS.

Oh I see. So in fact, I actually OMGUS'd you by voting for you BEFORE you voted for me.

This is like when one little kid says "you're copying me" and the other one says "no you're copying me, but backwards"

[Debatepro]

I voted no duel. Based on my reads I thought it was town versus potential town. I also feel like I have a stronger scum read on other players. I wanted to explore those other options.

Also misunderstood the PR rules. I thought scum had about 27% chance of receiving a PR to use.

[Robz888]

I voted no duel. Based on my reads I thought it was town versus potential town. I also feel like I have a stronger scum read on other players. I wanted to explore those other options.

Also misunderstood the PR rules. I thought scum had about 27% chance of receiving a PR to use.

What other options did you want to explore?

[Debatepro]

I voted no duel. Based on my reads I thought it was town versus potential town. I also feel like I have a stronger scum read on other players. I wanted to explore those other options.

Also misunderstood the PR rules. I thought scum had about 27% chance of receiving a PR to use.

What other options did you want to explore?

Of those who have voted in this duel, Awaclus.