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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Night 0 – Day 1)
« Reply #75 on: August 30, 2019, 06:36:50 am »

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (14): DatSwan, Awaclus, jotheonah, Glooble, Joseph2302, 2.71828....., Uncleeurope, Debatepro, MiX, EFHW, A Drowned Kernel, Robz888, pubby, mcmcsalot

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Phase 1 of day 1 ends at Sep 1, 06:30 forum time. That is in 48 hours.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Night 0 – Day 1)
« Reply #76 on: August 30, 2019, 06:37:51 am »

Hey, you can't just start the day and THEN provide a votecount, now I wanna delete my post :(

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Night 0 – Day 1)
« Reply #77 on: August 30, 2019, 06:52:24 am »

Hey, you can't just start the day and THEN provide a votecount, now I wanna delete my post :(

Vote: ss

Why are you voting in italics?

Vote: MiX
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #78 on: August 30, 2019, 06:54:19 am »

Hey, you can't just start the day and THEN provide a votecount, now I wanna delete my post :(

Vote: ss

Why are you voting in italics?

Vote: MiX

Votes are useless untill the duel starts.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #79 on: August 30, 2019, 07:19:09 am »

Hey, you can't just start the day and THEN provide a votecount, now I wanna delete my post :(

Vote: ss

Why are you voting in italics?

Vote: MiX

Votes are useless untill the duel starts.

That's not true. We can lynch someone before the duel starts or we can vote no on the duel.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #80 on: August 30, 2019, 07:23:01 am »

We shouldn't do either of those things.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #81 on: August 30, 2019, 07:26:44 am »

Votes are only useless if you think the only purpose of votes is to eventually lynch someone.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #82 on: August 30, 2019, 07:27:06 am »

Which is usually not the purpose of RVS.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #83 on: August 30, 2019, 07:32:55 am »

They should build up early wagons that can then steamroll into viable lynches. In this setup, you get 2 days of voting into 2 completely random wagons that you have to accept.

You can still RVS: I'm still "voting" Debatepro, just don't think it's useful here. Feel free to prove me wrong.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #84 on: August 30, 2019, 07:35:49 am »

Think of it this way: RVS votes are very tiny amounts of pressure. Votes early means the wagon's slightly easier to make. In this setup early votes have nothing to do with who's voted up. So they're not pressuring anyone. No pressure means scum doesn't react differently. Which in turn means they're pretty useless.

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #85 on: August 30, 2019, 08:13:11 am »

So is it a bad idea to vote yes on the duel d1?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #86 on: August 30, 2019, 08:19:51 am »

We shouldn't do either of those things.

I’m glad this is so obvious to you that you don’t have to explain or interrogate it. But for us plebes, mind expounding?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #87 on: August 30, 2019, 08:31:07 am »

We shouldn't do either of those things.

I’m glad this is so obvious to you that you don’t have to explain or interrogate it. But for us plebes, mind expounding?

That's actually good discussion, which I don't do. Feel free to talk about it, I think my stance's just the general default stance about the setup and I don't really have arguments for or against it.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #88 on: August 30, 2019, 08:31:49 am »

They should build up early wagons that can then steamroll into viable lynches. In this setup, you get 2 days of voting into 2 completely random wagons that you have to accept.

You can still RVS: I'm still "voting" Debatepro, just don't think it's useful here. Feel free to prove me wrong.

If you're so sure nothing will come of it, why not actually vote debatepro?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #89 on: August 30, 2019, 08:33:45 am »

So is it a bad idea to vote yes on the duel d1?

I think it's a bad idea if you think both combatants are town and a good idea if you think one of them is scum.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #90 on: August 30, 2019, 08:34:57 am »

They should build up early wagons that can then steamroll into viable lynches. In this setup, you get 2 days of voting into 2 completely random wagons that you have to accept.

You can still RVS: I'm still "voting" Debatepro, just don't think it's useful here. Feel free to prove me wrong.

If you're so sure nothing will come of it, why not actually vote debatepro?

I keep track of all votes and I don't wanna do that for these. Yes I could just vote, but meh.

So is it a bad idea to vote yes on the duel d1?

I think it's a bad idea if you think both combatants are town and a good idea if you think one of them is scum.

I don't think 2 days is enough to get that good of a read on someone. In D2 and on it's a real decision, but not here IMO.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #91 on: August 30, 2019, 08:35:52 am »


I don't think 2 days is enough to get that good of a read on someone. In D2 and on it's a real decision, but not here IMO.


Meh. Really depends on how active those two days are.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #92 on: August 30, 2019, 09:21:35 am »

vote: MiX

rarely have I seen someone say so many antitown things so quickly
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #93 on: August 30, 2019, 09:33:52 am »

vote: MiX

rarely have I seen someone say so many antitown things so quickly

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #94 on: August 30, 2019, 10:05:28 am »

I don't think this is how scum!MiX plays day one in this setup. The votes-that-aren't-really votes thing especially is something that seems so scummy that scum wouldn't do it.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #95 on: August 30, 2019, 10:17:26 am »

I don't think this is how scum!MiX plays day one in this setup. The votes-that-aren't-really votes thing especially is something that seems so scummy that scum wouldn't do it.

These kinds of arguments give scum and town alike cartblanche to play in scummy and unhelpful ways. Let's punish bad play. If we mislynch because of it every now and then, it's a sacrifice for the greater good.
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Night 0 – Day 1)
« Reply #96 on: August 30, 2019, 10:37:00 am »

Fun flavor. Very funny flavor. Even better setup. Good reads early in the day will be important (for D2 and on) which is something I struggle at. RVS is essencially worthless because we should always accept the first duel. I look forward to say nothing for 2 days.

Vote: Debatepro

Why should we always accept the first duel?
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #97 on: August 30, 2019, 10:43:02 am »

Maybe I should read everything before posting

I don't think that "accept duals by default" should be our attitude, people should only vote yes for a dual if they have a solid scumread on one of the participants
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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #98 on: August 30, 2019, 10:45:48 am »

I don't think this is how scum!MiX plays day one in this setup. The votes-that-aren't-really votes thing especially is something that seems so scummy that scum wouldn't do it.

I think that scum!mix is self-aware enough to know that this is how town!mix would probably open things up and emulate it. Nothing he's said so far screams town to me

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Re: M124: GPT-2 Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #99 on: August 30, 2019, 10:51:00 am »

I don't think this is how scum!MiX plays day one in this setup. The votes-that-aren't-really votes thing especially is something that seems so scummy that scum wouldn't do it.

I think that scum!mix is self-aware enough to know that this is how town!mix would probably open things up and emulate it. Nothing he's said so far screams town to me

vote: mix

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But I think there's one thing I wouldn't do:

We shouldn't do either of those things.

I’m glad this is so obvious to you that you don’t have to explain or interrogate it. But for us plebes, mind expounding?

That's actually good discussion, which I don't do. Feel free to talk about it, I think my stance's just the general default stance about the setup and I don't really have arguments for or against it.

I would've discussed the setup N0 with my buddies so I would have some arguments supporting my thinking. I actually have none because I didn't think about it at all (not even now, maybe I should).


Also I guess people are voting, so whatever.

Vote: Glooble
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