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[Joseph2302]

Based on that, Vote: Glooble

[Glooble]

Please update my previous list to include Joseph.

[Debatepro]

... I am interested in your thoughts

Less than 24hrs before the deadline there are 3 wagons and two of them are town. Robz (5), Pubby (4), and Debatepro (3). 

Post#	By	For	TimeStamp
548	Joth	Debatepro	Sep-07-19 07:53:59 am
562	MiX	Pubby	Sep-07-19 09:21:12 am
584	ADK	Pubby	Sep-07-19 01:25:12 pm
591	Joth	Pubby	Sep-07-19 03:00:56 pm
594	Joth	Robz	Sep-07-19 03:20:01 pm
596	MiX	Joseph	Sep-07-19 03:33:51 pm
600	Eddie	MiX	Sep-07-19 04:15:47 pm
600	Eddie	e	Sep-07-19 04:15:47 pm
607	MiX	Debatepro	Sep-07-19 05:35:17 pm
608	MiX	Joseph	Sep-07-19 05:43:19 pm
614	MiX	Pubby	Sep-07-19 06:10:06 pm
633	DatSwan	e	Sep-07-19 06:43:50 pm
643	EFHW	Pubby	Sep-07-19 08:32:30 pm
654	e	Pubby	Sep-07-19 02:17:11 am

This is the pool I'm scrutinizing more closely. Joth's movement raises an eyebrow. ADK and Datswan both voted for pubby and me. Being wrong doesn't make someone scum, but I certainly have to consider the possibility.

(Note: Awaclus's vote at 542 is a actually a restating of his vote (483) from Sep-05-19 08:21:17 pm, but ss's program didn't log bc of emoji)

[A Drowned Kernel]

Overview of MiX votes  w/ reasons

Vote#	Post#	---By---	----For----	Notes
4	100	MiX	Glooble	RSV: No reason (NR)
10	132	MiX	Pubby	RSV: NR
21	271	MiX	e	270 voted no duel bc didn't want to lynch e by default
23	305	MiX	Joseph	Your ADK duel reasoning is shite
24	325	MiX	Awaclus	Awaclus reasoning only makes sense later in game
26	342	MiX	Debatepro	NR: Awaclus as null NIA
30	382	MiX	Glooble	Will sheep Joth on Glooble
50	518	MiX	Debatepro	Vote Debatepro for sheeping
51	530	MiX	Glooble	Why did glooble think PR couldn't use them at any other night
52	535	MiX	Debatepro	NR
56	562	MiX	Pubby	Don't want to fight w/ debatepro, NR pubby
60	596	MiX	Joseph	Potential lynches pubby/Robz/Joseph/Glooble will reread [Moves off Pubby L2]
63	607	MiX	Debatepro	Lets vote here, NR.
64	608	MiX	Joseph	Joseph has setup related posts.
65	614	MiX	Pubby	Agree with DS bout Robz, Robz null, lets try Pubby

So 4 people there who they voted for multiple times: me, Pubby, Debatepro and Glooble

Of which, 2 (Pubby and I) are definitely town.

So if we trust MiX reads, Debatepro and Glooble would seem slightly scummier

MiX was town but that's no reason we should trust his reads

[Awaclus]

MiX was town but that's no reason we should trust his reads

He got nightkilled and that's a reason we should trust his reads.

[A Drowned Kernel]

MiX was town but that's no reason we should trust his reads

He got nightkilled and that's a reason we should trust his reads.

Eh, it's just as likely that he was killed because he was towny

[Glooble]

He was killed because scum wanted ya’ll to trust his reads, because his reads were wrong. He had pubby wrong didn’t he?

[EFHW]

Sorry, busy day today. I'll post more tomorrow.

[Swowl]

So what is your analysis of that data?

Never on are more likely town?
Multiple votes more likely scum?

Data is useless without some sort of analysis

incorrect. data is always useful.

analysis is can be manipulated, but data is always useful.

[Swowl]

unless anyone thinks we are getting a lynch off before the duel they should keep their reads to a minimum for now imo.

that hurt my soul to say, but I stand by it.

[Joseph2302]

Overview of MiX votes  w/ reasons

Vote#	Post#	---By---	----For----	Notes
4	100	MiX	Glooble	RSV: No reason (NR)
10	132	MiX	Pubby	RSV: NR
21	271	MiX	e	270 voted no duel bc didn't want to lynch e by default
23	305	MiX	Joseph	Your ADK duel reasoning is shite
24	325	MiX	Awaclus	Awaclus reasoning only makes sense later in game
26	342	MiX	Debatepro	NR: Awaclus as null NIA
30	382	MiX	Glooble	Will sheep Joth on Glooble
50	518	MiX	Debatepro	Vote Debatepro for sheeping
51	530	MiX	Glooble	Why did glooble think PR couldn't use them at any other night
52	535	MiX	Debatepro	NR
56	562	MiX	Pubby	Don't want to fight w/ debatepro, NR pubby
60	596	MiX	Joseph	Potential lynches pubby/Robz/Joseph/Glooble will reread [Moves off Pubby L2]
63	607	MiX	Debatepro	Lets vote here, NR.
64	608	MiX	Joseph	Joseph has setup related posts.
65	614	MiX	Pubby	Agree with DS bout Robz, Robz null, lets try Pubby

So 4 people there who they voted for multiple times: me, Pubby, Debatepro and Glooble

Of which, 2 (Pubby and I) are definitely town.

So if we trust MiX reads, Debatepro and Glooble would seem slightly scummier

MiX was town but that's no reason we should trust his reads

Trusting an IC is better than trusting people who could be scum
But I agree we shouldn't base everything off of it

[Uncleeurope]

Vote: Awaclus

I dunno why, but I feel like either Awaclus or Glooble is evil, and Awaclus has less votes.

[jotheonah]

I would love to hear reasons why people think that Robz/Glooble either is or isn't a possible scum team.

[EFHW]

unless anyone thinks we are getting a lynch off before the duel they should keep their reads to a minimum for now imo.

that hurt my soul to say, but I stand by it.

Why do you say this?

[A Drowned Kernel]

unless anyone thinks we are getting a lynch off before the duel they should keep their reads to a minimum for now imo.

that hurt my soul to say, but I stand by it.

Fair point

[Debatepro]

Overview of MiX votes  w/ reasons

Vote#	Post#	---By---	----For----	Notes
10	132	MiX	Pubby	RSV: NR
56	562	MiX	Pubby	Don't want to fight w/ debatepro, NR pubby
65	614	MiX	Pubby	Agree with DS bout Robz, Robz null, lets try Pubby

So 4 people there who they voted for multiple times: me, Pubby, Debatepro and Glooble. Of which, 2 (Pubby and I) are definitely town. So if we trust MiX reads, Debatepro and Glooble would seem slightly scummier

MiX was town but that's no reason we should trust his reads

Trusting an IC is better than trusting people who could be scum. But I agree we shouldn't base everything off of it.

MiX votes Pubby 3 times, I think the quality of his reads are not the reason he was killed. I also don't think he was the towniest of players and it seemed like he was playing more cautiously than previous games.

This leaves just two theories I am able to hypothesize based on my limited experience:
1. To direct attention at the people he was tunneling (glooble/debatepro). I believe Joseph (725) and Awaclus (730) are making this argument. 
2. Scum thought he was the JK

If it's #1, who has an interest in indirectly killing glooble? Debatepro is a scrub that sticks his foot in his mouth, easy mislynch target. I was a little surprised to see Awaclus make this argument on reputation alone. I gave joseph a limited pass bc I've played with him before and this seems inline with something even town joseph would say.

[Glooble]

If it's #1, who has an interest in indirectly killing glooble?

Maybe someone who is afraid of Glooble's ability to read him? Maybe someone who's weak case on me day one failed to stick?

[jotheonah]

If it's #1, who has an interest in indirectly killing glooble?

Maybe someone who is afraid of Glooble's ability to read him? Maybe someone who's weak case on me day one failed to stick?

Why wouldn't I just kill you? Come on. MiX is hands down the last person I'd kill N1 if I were scum. He was the only one sheeping my reads!

[Glooble]

I just completely disagree that MiX was a viable mislynch target. The only player scumreading MiX at the end of the day was you.

I'm with Glooble on this. I haven't weighed in on why MiX was killed because I just thought it was obvious he was super townie.

The fact that he was the loan supporter of my Glooble lynch was probably just gravy when Glooble did the kill.

If it's #1, who has an interest in indirectly killing glooble?

Maybe someone who is afraid of Glooble's ability to read him? Maybe someone who's weak case on me day one failed to stick?

Why wouldn't I just kill you? Come on. MiX is hands down the last person I'd kill N1 if I were scum. He was the only one sheeping my reads!

Interesting.

[Glooble]

Anyway, reason 1 that you wouldn't just kill me: I'm a mislynch waiting to happen. reason 2: It would have put a lot of suspicion on you.

[jotheonah]

Interesting.

In the first quote I'm talking about what town me thinks about what actual non-me scum did. In the second I'm talking about what a hypothetical scum-me would have done. There's no contradiction there. MiX would have been a bad kill for me, specifically, to make as scum.

[jotheonah]

Anyway, reason 1 that you wouldn't just kill me: I'm a mislynch waiting to happen. reason 2: It would have put a lot of suspicion on you.

Sure you're a lynch waiting to happen now, but as of the end of Day 1 you were actually very hard to lynch! I know, I tried. I'll give you reason 2 though.

[Robz888]

If it's #1, who has an interest in indirectly killing glooble?

Maybe someone who is afraid of Glooble's ability to read him? Maybe someone who's weak case on me day one failed to stick?

Why wouldn't I just kill you? Come on. MiX is hands down the last person I'd kill N1 if I were scum. He was the only one sheeping my reads!

I think, if Joth were scum, he would exercise more caution than just blurting this out, yes?

[2.71828.....]

unless anyone thinks we are getting a lynch off before the duel they should keep their reads to a minimum for now imo.

that hurt my soul to say, but I stand by it.

I disagree with this. Stifling discussion is anti-town. We want people to make the most informed decision possible when faced with the duel. If everyone generally views certain people as town or scum, then they appear in the duel, it is a fairly big data point once we know the success/failure of the duel.

[2.71828.....]

If it's #1, who has an interest in indirectly killing glooble?

Maybe someone who is afraid of Glooble's ability to read him? Maybe someone who's weak case on me day one failed to stick?

Why wouldn't I just kill you? Come on. MiX is hands down the last person I'd kill N1 if I were scum. He was the only one sheeping my reads!

I think, if Joth were scum, he would exercise more caution than just blurting this out, yes?

There are always WIFOM arguments, but yeah.