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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #350 on: June 08, 2019, 11:59:35 am »

Sorry been busy with work and house improvements. Hopefully will get to this soon.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #351 on: June 08, 2019, 12:21:49 pm »

The only reason I don't want to lynch debatepro is the wiki thing. It seems unlikely for scum!debatepro to get the explanation of what a traitor is from his buddies and then look at the wiki anyway just so that he can better fabricate this lie. It seems similarly unlikely for him to make up having looked at the wiki.

He could be the traitor, that would take care of the problem, or he could have not asked his scum buddies. Mh.

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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #352 on: June 08, 2019, 05:01:07 pm »

Do you have a reason for this vote? [db8 voting for MiX]

It is a data point. The value of voting for someone else hasn’t risen above the value gained by voting for you. It is not always useful to share the full extent of the reasons, although if you read close enough, you might be able to pick it out.

When I don’t think it is as valuable, I’ll change my vote.

If your town, get to work and stop wasting time with a townie.  ;)



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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #353 on: June 08, 2019, 05:05:53 pm »

If your town, get to work and stop wasting time with a townie.  ;)

See, this right here would tell me you're town, if you didn't end it with a wink. I'll still do the same thing as last time we were all together and listen to silver saying you're town, after all he was right before, I guess.

I might make a case on joth or e (although e doesn't really have a lot of posts so not much can be said), if I find nothing then I'll research EFHW more. There's like two others I would vote for, but otherwise this is my lynch pool.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #354 on: June 08, 2019, 05:31:55 pm »

MiX is saying "explain your completely unexplained vote and I'll join your wagon, [apparently regardless of how bad the explanation is]"

It's sweet how you were scared that I would sheep him regardless of his explanation. I merely wanted an explanation.

This is when I would vote joth but I need to slow down my votes.

Really just taking you at your word, man. You could have said "Explain and maybe I'll sheep". Words mean things.

There's no reason for me to follow through my word, helps no one but maybe my townieness.

And you displaying a lack of towniness if you are town hurts town. Like a lot. I think people often overestimate their duty to find scum as town and underestimate their duty to convince others of their towniness.

The argument is fallacious. It might indeed be more important to not get lynched if you're town than it is to scumhunt. But these are not two separate disciplines that you can independently invest time into, and the more time invest the better you do at them.

I think a much better way to look at it is this: the remaining player base is trying to figure out your alignment. If they're doing it right, then they will always consider your meta, i.e. there shouldn't be anyone who is generically less scummy and less likely to be lynched; everyone has the same probability of being scum, what we need is information that distinguishes your scum play from your normal play.

So if you're town and trying to play towny, well, that's the same thing you're doing as scum, so we don't have anything that distinguishes between the two. That doesn't mean it can't work in individual games, but it ought not to help you in expectation. On the other hand, if you're actually scumhunting, then that does distinguish between town!you and scum!you, because scum!you doesn't scumhunt, they're only pretending to scumhunt.

I.e.: if you focus on scumhunting, that ought to be the better strategy wrt not getting lynched.

I agree with this to a point. I think I'm more likely to be mislynched when I am actively scum hunting just from interacting with people a lot. People like to lynch people that vote around and unvote from scum, which happens more when you are scum hunting.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #355 on: June 08, 2019, 05:32:30 pm »

It's interesting how similar MiX plays to me. Here he is arguing the policing, man have I been there so many times. It's sobering to see how my behavior looks from a third person vantage point.

Do you feel stifled by him? You don't seem as PPSy as normal.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #356 on: June 08, 2019, 05:33:44 pm »

Silver and mcmcsalot talking about scum hunting sounds townie from both of them.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #357 on: June 08, 2019, 05:36:11 pm »

I agree with almost everything silver says, including his analysis of Debatepro asking about traitor.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #358 on: June 08, 2019, 05:40:24 pm »

Also townreading MiX. Seems to genuinely be scum hunting.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #359 on: June 08, 2019, 06:27:26 pm »

Debatepro, have you been scum before?

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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #360 on: June 08, 2019, 07:47:12 pm »

Would referencing games that have happened on a site that isn't public be against the rules?
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #361 on: June 08, 2019, 08:27:22 pm »

It's interesting how similar MiX plays to me. Here he is arguing the policing, man have I been there so many times. It's sobering to see how my behavior looks from a third person vantage point.

Do you feel stifled by him? You don't seem as PPSy as normal.

Stifled would be a strong term to use. My typical play style has merit but only in limited quantities. Otherwise I am outrageously busy so that’s a good bit of it too.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #362 on: June 08, 2019, 11:32:30 pm »

ADK and MiX,  are you still scumreading gkrieg?
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #363 on: June 09, 2019, 12:19:05 am »

ADK and MiX,  are you still scumreading gkrieg?

Yes
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #364 on: June 09, 2019, 02:55:26 am »

Debatepro, have you been scum before?


@e, EFHW, Eddie - Any early reads?

Is there actually a reason to ask those particular people?

- I iso'd everyone
- I have played with each of them more than once (fds/lynchpool)
- I have been partners with them (lynchpool Less Pressure #2 & #5)
- I wanted to see what they had to say

My turn:

This started as a closer examination of SS, EFHW, and MCMC planning discussion to see if I can glean any information from it.

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The Dialogs: (Read this section bottom up)

SS (320) - Not quite answer, want to know what would they have done if people went along?

MiX (317) - they did in 271.

SS (315) - 2 days later - Please answer my ?

SS (276) 1009am - dialog mix policy vote, don’t lie or not keep promises as Town.

MCMC (275) 1006am - answers db8’s question about how scum hunting can be non-protown

MCMC (271) 956am - had some town reads, block could have led to interesting interactions for future examination

SS (261) 911am - Vote MiX for “there is no reason for me to follow through with my word”

EFHW (260) 908am - How did you imagine the plan working?

MCMC (258) 854am - Questions MiX for “there is no reason for me to follow through with my word”

MCMC (253) 758am - Vote: EFHW & Serious

SS (98) - how serious was your block?

@SS:
Did you miss both MCMC’s answers to your question? You both have a cluster of posts about different topics within about 2.5 hours of each other.

Did you mean to appropriate EFHW’s followup question as your own or did I miss your question in another post?

Why is this important and what more could they say? MCMC functionally said: "had some town reads, block could have led to interesting interactions for future examination"
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #365 on: June 09, 2019, 03:55:27 am »

What's with people being so difficult about answering questions in this game? Have you been scum before or not?

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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #366 on: June 09, 2019, 03:58:08 am »

He has, just not on this site.

Dunno if you would have preferred him to answer but I don’t really care.

We need to move this along.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #367 on: June 09, 2019, 04:11:11 am »

He has, just not on this site.

Dunno if you would have preferred him to answer but I don’t really care.

I don't mind if someone else answers. Do you know how often? Like once or like 10 times?

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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #368 on: June 09, 2019, 04:21:32 am »

He has, just not on this site.

Dunno if you would have preferred him to answer but I don’t really care.

I don't mind if someone else answers. Do you know how often? Like once or like 10 times?

3-ish? In a blitz format, though.
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #369 on: June 09, 2019, 04:25:22 am »

Thanks. In that case, I debatepro is an ok lynch. I still want to hear from pubby, though.

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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #370 on: June 09, 2019, 04:40:53 am »

ADK and MiX,  are you still scumreading gkrieg?

Barely, at this point I would probably say "no".

What's with people being so difficult about answering questions in this game? Have you been scum before or not?

He did answer, notice how the post he quoted mentioned he was partners with people.

Thanks. In that case, I debatepro is an ok lynch. I still want to hear from pubby, though.

Huh. What made you turn around?
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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #371 on: June 09, 2019, 04:42:48 am »

@SS:
Did you miss both MCMC’s answers to your question? You both have a cluster of posts about different topics within about 2.5 hours of each other.
I knew that he had made that post which I think you're calling the first answer. Idk what second answer you're referring to.

Did you mean to appropriate EFHW’s followup question as your own or did I miss your question in another post?

idk what you're talking about.

Why is this important and what more could they say? MCMC functionally said: "had some town reads, block could have led to interesting interactions for future examination"
There's really no way that answering this would be a good idea.

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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #372 on: June 09, 2019, 04:43:36 am »

Huh. What made you turn around?

Debatepro feels quite different from his first fds game. And the wiki thing isn't that strong of an argument.

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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #373 on: June 09, 2019, 04:47:48 am »

Debatepro feels a bit like he's trying hard to be unimpressed. That could be a scum thing.

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Re: M123: Doomsday Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #374 on: June 09, 2019, 04:50:25 am »

Eh, I’m not feeling it hugely. I am also not overly opposed.

My main qualm is he will be easier to catch later due to him giving more analysis.

I think we go for a quite run one.
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