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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1450 on: May 17, 2019, 12:52:50 pm »

"with his life on the line doesn't seem to be making any real attempt to make a case on mix."

This is what worries me. Seems townie.

I mean, if the scum team is chairs/gkrieg, then they might feel like their only real hope is to go quiet and let people paranoid-talk themselves into switching to mix. chairs has a pretty lurky meta already, so I'm betting that scum!chairs would be banking on that saving him here.

This seems like a stretch.

So instead I bussed Swan and chairs? Yep, seems more plausible.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1451 on: May 17, 2019, 01:10:52 pm »

Not even sure where to start on how ridiculous this all is.

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1452 on: May 17, 2019, 02:14:37 pm »

"with his life on the line doesn't seem to be making any real attempt to make a case on mix."

This is what worries me. Seems townie.

I mean, if the scum team is chairs/gkrieg, then they might feel like their only real hope is to go quiet and let people paranoid-talk themselves into switching to mix. chairs has a pretty lurky meta already, so I'm betting that scum!chairs would be banking on that saving him here.
I'd be hoping the paranoid talk would save me.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1453 on: May 17, 2019, 02:15:46 pm »

Not even sure where to start on how ridiculous this all is.
What exactly is ridiculous?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1454 on: May 17, 2019, 02:31:49 pm »

It's a little weird that gkrieg hasn't put down a vote yet.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1455 on: May 17, 2019, 02:33:27 pm »

"with his life on the line doesn't seem to be making any real attempt to make a case on mix."

This is what worries me. Seems townie.

I mean, if the scum team is chairs/gkrieg, then they might feel like their only real hope is to go quiet and let people paranoid-talk themselves into switching to mix. chairs has a pretty lurky meta already, so I'm betting that scum!chairs would be banking on that saving him here.

This seems like a stretch.

So instead I bussed Swan and chairs? Yep, seems more plausible.

Can you explain this, especially the chairs part?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1456 on: May 17, 2019, 02:38:16 pm »

So instead I bussed Swan and chairs? Yep, seems more plausible.

Can you explain this, especially the chairs part?

Weren't you going around with "MiX would challenge chairs otherwise he would be snap lynched" or something? So clearly in a Swan!MiX!chairs team I bus both of my partners hardcore, right? That makes perfect sense...

Of course, you might say this makes more sense for a Swan!MiX!gkrieg team, which I agree with. But thinking it could be both me and chairs is pure paranoia that has no grounds on reality, which was my point when making that post.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1457 on: May 17, 2019, 03:01:38 pm »

It's a little weird that gkrieg hasn't put down a vote yet.

I've already said that I'm waiting for Space to post their vote count stuff and then I will vote for chairs. Didn't want to give him the opportunity to hammer himself before that info was out.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1458 on: May 17, 2019, 03:02:44 pm »

It's a little weird that gkrieg hasn't put down a vote yet.

This is actually just a weird statement. Wouldn't you want all the ICs to weigh in before the day was over?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1459 on: May 17, 2019, 03:22:52 pm »

It's a little weird that gkrieg hasn't put down a vote yet.

I've already said that I'm waiting for Space to post their vote count stuff and then I will vote for chairs. Didn't want to give him the opportunity to hammer himself before that info was out.

:/

It's a little weird that gkrieg hasn't put down a vote yet.

This is actually just a weird statement. Wouldn't you want all the ICs to weigh in before the day was over?

I'm just trying to look at this from the perspective of "what would chairs' partner be doing now?" And I think, they'd be voting MiX, right? except with no one else voting MiX except me and chairs himself, that would look really bad tomorrow. So they'd be voting chairs, right? Bus early, bus often? But then they completely give up on saving him. So maybe they express an interest in voting chairs, but hold off as long as possible on actually doing it, while hoping that Space's vote analysis will give you cover to vote MiX without looking scummy?

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1460 on: May 17, 2019, 03:24:16 pm »

So instead I bussed Swan and chairs? Yep, seems more plausible.

Can you explain this, especially the chairs part?

Weren't you going around with "MiX would challenge chairs otherwise he would be snap lynched" or something? So clearly in a Swan!MiX!chairs team I bus both of my partners hardcore, right? That makes perfect sense...

Of course, you might say this makes more sense for a Swan!MiX!gkrieg team, which I agree with. But thinking it could be both me and chairs is pure paranoia that has no grounds on reality, which was my point when making that post.

It's no more implausible than any other bus.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1461 on: May 17, 2019, 03:28:31 pm »

So instead I bussed Swan and chairs? Yep, seems more plausible.

Can you explain this, especially the chairs part?

Weren't you going around with "MiX would challenge chairs otherwise he would be snap lynched" or something? So clearly in a Swan!MiX!chairs team I bus both of my partners hardcore, right? That makes perfect sense...

Of course, you might say this makes more sense for a Swan!MiX!gkrieg team, which I agree with. But thinking it could be both me and chairs is pure paranoia that has no grounds on reality, which was my point when making that post.

It's no more implausible than any other bus.

Except that the bus has high risk (scum always gets lynched) and no reward (survivor is still on the lynch list).
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1462 on: May 17, 2019, 03:38:04 pm »

It's a little weird that gkrieg hasn't put down a vote yet.

I've already said that I'm waiting for Space to post their vote count stuff and then I will vote for chairs. Didn't want to give him the opportunity to hammer himself before that info was out.

:/

It's a little weird that gkrieg hasn't put down a vote yet.

This is actually just a weird statement. Wouldn't you want all the ICs to weigh in before the day was over?

I'm just trying to look at this from the perspective of "what would chairs' partner be doing now?" And I think, they'd be voting MiX, right? except with no one else voting MiX except me and chairs himself, that would look really bad tomorrow. So they'd be voting chairs, right? Bus early, bus often? But then they completely give up on saving him. So maybe they express an interest in voting chairs, but hold off as long as possible on actually doing it, while hoping that Space's vote analysis will give you cover to vote MiX without looking scummy?

I don't know why you are trying to make this something it isn't. If chairs is scum and I vote for him now, he will self-hammer. He is obviously getting lynched today. Waiting for Space to do something is not scummy in the slightest.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1463 on: May 17, 2019, 06:28:40 pm »

Here’s where I’m feeling like the likely pairs can lie:

MiX-ADK
MiX-Gkrieg
Gkrieg-Chairs
ADK-Chairs

I don’t really see MiX-Chairs as SUUUPER likely, nor do I think Gkrieg-ADK is super likely (he’s the only person to try and dispel the ADK=Town theory).

This isn’t super helpful though, as it doesn’t actually narrow the field.

Sooo.... fuck me.

vote: Chairs

If I’m wrong we can reevaluate tomorrow.

Space: Need you to help out here. You’re super freaking valuable from a VCA analysis, and we’re missing this right now.

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Side notes:

This is massively frustrating. Isolation’s aside: I gut read MiX as scum more than I do Chairs. But I HATE that Chairs isn’t bothering to try and convince us MiX is more likely scum than he is (which if he’s town MUST be true). And yet every non-IC has jumped on Chairs when MiX is very much conceivably viable. And yet why would scum!MiX claim VT D1 and not SEB? And worst of all, both may in fact be town if the scum team is ADK-Gkrieg!!!

I’ve had this post typed for more than 24 hours without posting and I’ve changed my vote 8+ times. I’ve settled on Chairs because of something Gkrieg said: If he’s scum and self-hammers... who the hell cares? It’s ridiculous to be afraid of scum!Chairs doing that. If he wants to do it, by all means man, go for it.
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Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1464 on: May 17, 2019, 06:35:49 pm »

Galzria just stole my town pass: and my heart.

chairs, hammer already.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1465 on: May 17, 2019, 08:14:35 pm »

Sorry buckaroo I’m not gonna do that.

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1466 on: May 17, 2019, 10:22:01 pm »

I’m tempted to do it. But dammit if I’m not curious what Space is cooking.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1467 on: May 17, 2019, 10:22:36 pm »

Galzy, I’d feel 100% better about you right now if you’d voted for MiX.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1468 on: May 17, 2019, 11:27:22 pm »

I’m tempted to do it. But dammit if I’m not curious what Space is cooking.

Sorry. But I’m not casting my vote to make you feel better. If there’s honestly a better or more valid reason to think MiX is scum, I would vote there instead. I just haven’t seen anything convincing one way or the other.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1469 on: May 18, 2019, 03:04:09 pm »

Ok if isn’t going to post I will hammer later today.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1470 on: May 18, 2019, 03:04:26 pm »

If Space isn’t going to post*
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1471 on: May 18, 2019, 05:18:16 pm »

If Space isn’t going to post*
You had a space there.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1472 on: May 19, 2019, 10:10:21 am »

Space?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1473 on: May 19, 2019, 02:28:02 pm »

Whatever. vote: chairs
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1474 on: May 19, 2019, 04:42:04 pm »

Is that the hammer?
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