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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1350 on: May 13, 2019, 11:14:12 am »

No, you don't. Just watch when gkrieg or chairs flip scum and it exonorates Galz. Then we lynch the other one and BAM easy win. No need to do another mislynch.

Also gkrieg's L-1 vote on Glooble is hella scummy. I also like how chairs was behind him, not obvious at all...

Targeted chairs.

Good.

Challenge: gkrieg, not official because who needs the full day anyway?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1351 on: May 13, 2019, 11:34:34 am »

Also gkrieg's L-1 vote on Glooble is hella scummy.

says the derphammerer
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1352 on: May 13, 2019, 11:36:03 am »

To be clear: I do not buy that MiX hammered Glooble by accident. MiX is a much more careful player than that.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1353 on: May 13, 2019, 11:39:18 am »

Not this game: I think I paid attention solely on D2. Just look at all of my D3, was I calculating?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1354 on: May 13, 2019, 12:06:37 pm »

Not this game: I think I paid attention solely on D2. Just look at all of my D3, was I calculating?

Kinda yeah.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1355 on: May 13, 2019, 12:11:45 pm »

Galz targeted MiX. That's townpoints, but could also be part of the gambit. I assume Galz made that choice because I asked, but also -- Galz, are you scumreading MiX currently?

Not just because you asked, but because it felt like the right choice given how yesterday went, various rereads, Glooble, etc.

Your choice, Faust’s, & EFHW all carried equal weight in my mind. FWIW, I was on the fence between MiX & Chairs - but decided that MiX was ultimately the “more correct” choice given everything.

I would prefer MiX to challenge Chairs.
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TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1356 on: May 13, 2019, 12:24:12 pm »

Sorry I disappeared at the end of D3! I had such an awesome weekend of music things and people-hosting that I kind of failed to check in at all until after the hammer...
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1357 on: May 13, 2019, 02:17:41 pm »

No, you don't. Just watch when gkrieg or chairs flip scum and it exonorates Galz. Then we lynch the other one and BAM easy win. No need to do another mislynch.

Also gkrieg's L-1 vote on Glooble is hella scummy. I also like how chairs was behind him, not obvious at all...

Targeted chairs.

Good.

Challenge: gkrieg, not official because who needs the full day anyway?

Keep in mind that I was tracked by faust D1, which makes it less likely that I'm scum. What makes me scummier than chairs? And what makes my L-1 scummy? I was clearly rereading D2, hadn't gotten to D3 yet. And how is my unannounced L-1 somehow scummier than your hammer?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1358 on: May 13, 2019, 02:19:51 pm »

I forgot you were tracked, the final vote on Glooble is scummy enough, L-1's scummy because you were paying attention to things and it's townier than my hammer because I'm town. Ew, my case on you is bad.

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1359 on: May 13, 2019, 02:24:57 pm »

I forgot you were tracked, the final vote on Glooble is scummy enough, L-1's scummy because you were paying attention to things and it's townier than my hammer because I'm town. Ew, my case on you is bad.

Vote: chairs

How was I paying attention to things?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1360 on: May 13, 2019, 02:28:26 pm »

I forgot you were tracked, the final vote on Glooble is scummy enough, L-1's scummy because you were paying attention to things and it's townier than my hammer because I'm town. Ew, my case on you is bad.

Vote: chairs

How was I paying attention to things?

Well mostly in your reread. But you're right that it was focused on D2, which is also why I moved my vote.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1361 on: May 13, 2019, 03:34:00 pm »

Sorry I disappeared at the end of D3! I had such an awesome weekend of music things and people-hosting that I kind of failed to check in at all until after the hammer...
I'm starting to get jealous of your awesome social life!
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1362 on: May 13, 2019, 06:17:18 pm »

Living players: chairs, jotheonah, MiX, A Drowned Kernel, gkrieg13, Galzria, SpaceAnemone, EFHW

ICs: Space, EFHW
Almost IC: joth, ADK?
Town unless they aren’t: MiX, Galz
Probably scum: chairs, gkrieg

That’s kinda where I am. Thoughts?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1363 on: May 13, 2019, 06:18:41 pm »

Here’s the thing: chairs and gkrieg are acting nothing like I would expect scum to be acting at this point in this situation. MiX has been acting exactly how I’d expect scum to act. That’s why o want to lynch him. I’ll take reads over PoE any day of the week.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1364 on: May 13, 2019, 06:35:36 pm »

Why is ADK almost IC?

I'd take POE over reads most days.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1365 on: May 13, 2019, 07:07:52 pm »

I’m trying to picture a scenario where mix flips so hard and so suddenly on gkrieg without it feeling like he’s scum trying to see what sticks and avoid making folks too mad and I’m struggling

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1366 on: May 13, 2019, 07:15:10 pm »

Sorry I disappeared at the end of D3! I had such an awesome weekend of music things and people-hosting that I kind of failed to check in at all until after the hammer...
I'm starting to get jealous of your awesome social life!

Come visit Oxford! It's full of lovely smart people and fun stuff :-)

OTOH, now I'm ridiculously tired, and also nursing a cold/sore throat/ear ache because people are germy creatures...
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1367 on: May 13, 2019, 07:15:37 pm »

@Chairs, could you please remind me of some townie things you've done this game so far?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1368 on: May 13, 2019, 07:17:13 pm »

Here’s the thing: chairs and gkrieg are acting nothing like I would expect scum to be acting at this point in this situation. MiX has been acting exactly how I’d expect scum to act. That’s why o want to lynch him. I’ll take reads over PoE any day of the week.

Okay, but recall that town!MiX also acts like people expect scum to act. The real question here is whether scum!MiX is more likely than town!MiX to be behaving that way.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1369 on: May 13, 2019, 07:26:08 pm »

Living players: chairs, jotheonah, MiX, A Drowned Kernel, gkrieg13, Galzria, SpaceAnemone, EFHW

ICs: Space, EFHW
Almost IC: joth, ADK?
Town unless they aren’t: MiX, Galz
Probably scum: chairs, gkrieg

That’s kinda where I am. Thoughts?

My list looks different, but only slightly:

ICs: Space, EFHW, Joth
Town that will be IC at some point: Galz
Town unless he isn’t: ADK (Need to look at this more closely)
Probably Scum: Chairs, Gkrieg, MiX

Of those, Gkrieg has the smallest point in his favor that, at least if he’s scum, he didn’t shoot N1.

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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1370 on: May 13, 2019, 07:32:20 pm »

Here’s the thing: chairs and gkrieg are acting nothing like I would expect scum to be acting at this point in this situation. MiX has been acting exactly how I’d expect scum to act. That’s why o want to lynch him. I’ll take reads over PoE any day of the week.

Okay, but recall that town!MiX also acts like people expect scum to act. The real question here is whether scum!MiX is more likely than town!MiX to be behaving that way.

MiX’s setup talk early D1/D2 don’t feel like they come from scum that knows the setup - and yes, that can certainly be faked, but it’s difficult to do so fully and consistently at the level he did. That said, there is nobody in the game right now who’s posts gut read scum the past two game days. Nothing feels genuine about their posts, and I just struggle to take them seriously, which doesn’t feel like a town trait here.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1371 on: May 13, 2019, 08:08:35 pm »

Why is ADK almost IC?

I'd take POE over reads most days.

Guaranteed town strongly believed he was the lynchee and the lynchee is necessarily town.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1372 on: May 13, 2019, 08:23:47 pm »

Here’s the thing: chairs and gkrieg are acting nothing like I would expect scum to be acting at this point in this situation. MiX has been acting exactly how I’d expect scum to act. That’s why o want to lynch him. I’ll take reads over PoE any day of the week.

Okay, but recall that town!MiX also acts like people expect scum to act. The real question here is whether scum!MiX is more likely than town!MiX to be behaving that way.

MiX’s setup talk early D1/D2 don’t feel like they come from scum that knows the setup - and yes, that can certainly be faked, but it’s difficult to do so fully and consistently at the level he did. That said, there is nobody in the game right now who’s posts gut read scum more than MiX’sthe past two game days. Nothing feels genuine about their posts, and I just struggle to take them seriously, which doesn’t feel like a town trait here.

Added bold for clarity of thought.
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Derphammering is when quickhammers go derp.

Faust has also been incredibly stubborn this game. In other news, it's hot in the summer, and water falls from the sky when it rains.


Mafia Record:
TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1373 on: May 13, 2019, 09:28:25 pm »

Galz/mix is crazy talk; PoE says it's gkrieg/chairs. I'm cool if MiX challenges either of them.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 4!)
« Reply #1374 on: May 13, 2019, 10:03:50 pm »

Galz/mix is crazy talk; PoE says it's gkrieg/chairs. I'm cool if MiX challenges either of them.
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