Let's actually look at these two in iso. Not hitting every post here, just stuff that stands out to me
joth:
RVS votes for Glooble, claims jester at the start, jokey stuff
Non-committal on the promoter claiming issue
This post where he wants to make
very clear that his jester post was a joke is pretty scummy
Townreads datswan, for confusion over the setup
Scumreads me for my setup plan, so he is actually taking a stand. I feel like he is misrepresenting my stance in this post, though
His last point in his response to mix is a lot of words to say nothing
This vote switch seems a little knee-jerk, which is townier
This little walkback seems like he's trying to keep his options open
But he is pretty strongly defending faust, which leans on the townier side. OTOH I don't think ari's case against faust at this point has much traction, so he's not sticking his neck out too far
joth feels sassier in this game, on a reread, than he has in other games I've played with recently. Is that an alignment tell for him? Probably not
Is scum[/url this flippant about voting for someone they claim to have a townread on? Maybe, if they know they'll be townread for it
[url=http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19659.msg798708#msg798708]Then goes to vote for mix, then
justifies his vote saying that the wagon was stalling. Not the worst reason, but also doesn't have anything to do with mix
More sass. Regardless of your alignment joth, you are entertaining to read here
Joth[/ur] does have a pretty consistent narrative behind his votes. If he is scum this is well constructed
[url=http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19659.msg798962#msg798962]joth is at one vote, with interest in voting from Galz, when he makes this "if you want to lynch me while I sleep" comment. Not great
Note that joth initially claims that he wasn't intending to target mix before spending quite awhile calling mix his biggest scumread
Another post where joth seems to feel an inordinate amount of pressure for the attention he's actually received (his point C). More likely to come from scum, I think
The big fight with Galz, I don't really think any of this is an alignment tell
Back on mix. He tunneled mix a lot on day one, and I think that joth is savvy enough to know that tunneling comes off as towny. More and more his read on mix is looking to me less genuine and more constructed
The fact that this is posed as a question and not a statement stands out to me, again I find more and more of joth's posting to be overly concerned/aware about the opinion of town as a whole. Maybe that's a natural feeling for the gladiator but some of it does go back to day one
Puts a lot of effort (where more than I remembered before rereading) on keeping open the possibility of scum!galz. Maybe it's just a difference of opinion, but I still feel that there's no way in hell scum!galz claims like he did, and joth looks like he still wants galz to be a viable challenge for him
Actually allows his mind to be swayed, though. Or maybe realized that the cause was hopeless. Or maybe knew ahead of time that it would fall through, and that a big emotional struggle looks towny
So I think this is basically the first time that joth has seriously commented at all on faust's alignment. For someone who's posted quite a bit this game, Joth has talked about surprisingly few people
The intent to challenge DatSwan is a little out of left field
At the end of all that, joth comes off as only mildly scummy, but scummier than I remember. In my most recent game with scum!joth, he did seem to get more active the more pressure was on his team, and I don't know what's more pressure-inducing than being a gladiator
Let's see what I get from DatSwan
Seems confused about whether there is a promoter. But if promoter is town scum might be legitimately confused about whether there is one.
Later clarifies that promoter here refers to "town promoter"
First post (several of his posts in) where he expresses any reads. Had previously expressed that he had been busy but there are quite a few setup-talk posts before this. I don't know, is scum this sloppy?
Then casts suspicion on me and mix for bringing up the promoter stuff, then votes for me because mix has more votes. Not great
This post seems a little more engaged
Big post. Analysis seems genuine, a lot of his logic is based on where people are on wagons, which is something that I disagree with but is also in character for DatSwan
Given that it's extremely unlikely at this point that joth and swan are partners, I think that swan coming to joth's defense here is town points
But then points out that joth could still be scum. His logic here is pretty fuzzy
Excited energy in these last posts sparing with Joseph, mildly towny
More setup confusion. About stuff that's harder to be confused about as scum
Argues against claiming pre-challenge, on the idea that joth might be scum. I see his point but also having town challenge a PR would be bad
This spliting of people into pools, while unhelpful, is consistent with what I know of town!Swan. It's a long post with no real reads, though
Well, here's a read
At this point I think I actually find this kind of thing towny
So looking back on everything, joth comes off as scummier and datswan as townier than I remembered. I'm still somewhat on the fence but I think it's enough for me to
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