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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #925 on: May 05, 2019, 03:02:55 pm »

challenge: DatSwan

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #926 on: May 05, 2019, 03:09:00 pm »

vote: Swan

faust is right. The more I swing the challenge around, the more PR claims we draw out. And Galzria was right when he said that I shouldn't wait for consensus or a guaranteed win to pick a target -- someone everyone wants to vote for is probably town.

So here's DatSwan, a relatively scummy person, on the PoE list, already said he wouldn't claim, and several people are defending him. That's what I got. You should vote for him.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #927 on: May 05, 2019, 03:15:19 pm »

Works for me

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #928 on: May 05, 2019, 03:17:32 pm »

Do we want to end the day here? I suppose there's nothing else to do, but we still have 4 days for shenanigans...
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (pms are out. N0.)
« Reply #929 on: May 05, 2019, 03:50:12 pm »

Vote Count 2.3

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jotheonah(0):          VS          DatSwan(3):
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #930 on: May 05, 2019, 04:12:29 pm »

Vote: jotheonah
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #931 on: May 05, 2019, 04:13:57 pm »

So here's DatSwan, a relatively scummy person, on the PoE list, already said he wouldn't claim, and several people are defending him. That's what I got. You should vote for him.
It takes a special kind of twisted reasoning if people defending someone makes them scummy. And who was defending anyway? Me? You think I'm his partner?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #932 on: May 05, 2019, 04:16:40 pm »

So here's DatSwan, a relatively scummy person, on the PoE list, already said he wouldn't claim, and several people are defending him. That's what I got. You should vote for him.
It takes a special kind of twisted reasoning if people defending someone makes them scummy. And who was defending anyway? Me? You think I'm his partner?

EFHW was. Do you actually believe joth's scummier than swan...? Do you think town would never want their scumreads to claim?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #933 on: May 05, 2019, 04:19:03 pm »

So here's DatSwan, a relatively scummy person, on the PoE list, already said he wouldn't claim, and several people are defending him. That's what I got. You should vote for him.
It takes a special kind of twisted reasoning if people defending someone makes them scummy. And who was defending anyway? Me? You think I'm his partner?

EFHW was. Do you actually believe joth's scummier than swan...? Do you think town would never want their scumreads to claim?
Why do you think joth is town?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #934 on: May 05, 2019, 04:22:25 pm »

So here's DatSwan, a relatively scummy person, on the PoE list, already said he wouldn't claim, and several people are defending him. That's what I got. You should vote for him.
It takes a special kind of twisted reasoning if people defending someone makes them scummy. And who was defending anyway? Me? You think I'm his partner?

EFHW was. Do you actually believe joth's scummier than swan...? Do you think town would never want their scumreads to claim?
Why do you think joth is town?

Hmm. I might've given a little too many townpoints for joth after he got promoted. But I think joth's being incredibly towny in everything he does, completely unlike what he was last scum game and if my memory serves me he's doing everything he did when he was town. I guess we have 4 days for me to reread the 2 possible wagons, so I should actually stabilize my read on joth now that it won't influence who he challenges.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #935 on: May 05, 2019, 04:57:51 pm »

vote: DatSwan
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #936 on: May 05, 2019, 05:18:02 pm »

OK I absolutely love the giant score board Vote Count thing - I feel closer to Kurt Russle than I ever had before.

I have just a ton of fun stuff I would like to speak about. As I mentioned, I did not want to do so prior to Joth finalizing a target. I will get it out when I get back to a computer.

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #937 on: May 05, 2019, 05:34:01 pm »

1) All the skum is within [Ari, Swan, Chairs, ADK, GK, Glooble, Space, EFHW]... which is either 2/8 or 3/8
2) Some amount of skum is within the same pool, and another is within [Joth, Mix, Galz, faust]

Why is it either 2/8 or 3/8?

Just separating the traitor out. Technically it is 3/8 either way.

Hold on, I just saw a contradiction here. It is impossible for the Traitor to lie there AND to be 2 scum there. I believe this mistake comes more from scum that absolutely know there IS no Traitor. How do you explain this Swan?

I don't think this is as damning as you seem to think it is, but I do accept there's a contradiction. I agree with faust that it's probably just Swan not thinking through everything, though.

If all of his second list is town, then there are probably 3 full mafia members in the first list (if other assumptions about Joth etc being townie hold), so that part of the statement holds.

Alternatively, we're in a situation where Galz lied about being town promoter, in which case he's on team evil, so if he's mafia promoter or mafia goon, then there's at most one full mafia member in the first list, plus quite probably the traitor (given the same assumptions about the second list being townie). So stated correctly, if he's counting the traitor as "not skum" then he ought to have said 1-3/8, not just 2 or 3/8. I think it's kind of a technicality.

Note: I'm not arguing in this post that anyone on the second list (besides faust) is conf!town, I'm just stating the assumptions that seem to have been present in Swan's reasoning when he made that statement.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #938 on: May 05, 2019, 05:37:01 pm »

1) All the skum is within [Ari, Swan, Chairs, ADK, GK, Glooble, Space, EFHW]... which is either 2/8 or 3/8
2) Some amount of skum is within the same pool, and another is within [Joth, Mix, Galz, faust]

Why is it either 2/8 or 3/8?

Just separating the traitor out. Technically it is 3/8 either way.

Hold on, I just saw a contradiction here. It is impossible for the Traitor to lie there AND to be 2 scum there. I believe this mistake comes more from scum that absolutely know there IS no Traitor. How do you explain this Swan?

I don't think this is as damning as you seem to think it is, but I do accept there's a contradiction. I agree with faust that it's probably just Swan not thinking through everything, though.

If all of his second list is town, then there are probably 3 full mafia members in the first list (if other assumptions about Joth etc being townie hold), so that part of the statement holds.

Alternatively, we're in a situation where Galz lied about being town promoter, in which case he's on team evil, so if he's mafia promoter or mafia goon, then there's at most one full mafia member in the first list, plus quite probably the traitor (given the same assumptions about the second list being townie). So stated correctly, if he's counting the traitor as "not skum" then he ought to have said 1-3/8, not just 2 or 3/8. I think it's kind of a technicality.

Note: I'm not arguing in this post that anyone on the second list (besides faust) is conf!town, I'm just stating the assumptions that seem to have been present in Swan's reasoning when he made that statement.


Almost correct: if Galz was traitor, there would in fact be 2 scum, but it couldn't be "possible Traitor". Overall it's a weak point that just built up on top of the many many many others. I don't know, I recall Swan as someone who (eventually) understands setups better than this.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #939 on: May 05, 2019, 06:33:24 pm »

I don't think this is as damning as you seem to think it is, but I do accept there's a contradiction. I agree with faust that it's probably just Swan not thinking through everything, though.

If all of his second list is town, then there are probably 3 full mafia members in the first list (if other assumptions about Joth etc being townie hold), so that part of the statement holds.

Alternatively, we're in a situation where Galz lied about being town promoter, in which case he's on team evil, so if he's mafia promoter or mafia goon, then there's at most one full mafia member in the first list, plus quite probably the traitor (given the same assumptions about the second list being townie). So stated correctly, if he's counting the traitor as "not skum" then he ought to have said 1-3/8, not just 2 or 3/8. I think it's kind of a technicality.

Note: I'm not arguing in this post that anyone on the second list (besides faust) is conf!town, I'm just stating the assumptions that seem to have been present in Swan's reasoning when he made that statement.


Almost correct: if Galz was traitor, there would in fact be 2 scum, but it couldn't be "possible Traitor". Overall it's a weak point that just built up on top of the many many many others. I don't know, I recall Swan as someone who (eventually) understands setups better than this.

Sure, 2 is included in my 1-3 count for exactly that reason.

What are you referring to when you're quoting "possible Traitor" like that?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #940 on: May 05, 2019, 07:38:18 pm »

Sorry I've been inactive, weekends are busy. I'll reread the challenged candidates and get back to you with a vote tonight. Anyone want to ask me anything?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #941 on: May 05, 2019, 08:25:55 pm »

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #942 on: May 06, 2019, 12:04:23 am »

OK I absolutely love the giant score board Vote Count thing - I feel closer to Kurt Russle than I ever had before.

I have just a ton of fun stuff I would like to speak about. As I mentioned, I did not want to do so prior to Joth finalizing a target. I will get it out when I get back to a computer.

Obviously...

Vote: Joth
I'm gonna let Datswan get back to us with this "fun stuff" he speaks of before I place a vote.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #943 on: May 06, 2019, 02:27:36 am »

What are you referring to when you're quoting "possible Traitor" like that?

1) All the skum is within [Ari, Swan, Chairs, ADK, GK, Glooble, Space, EFHW]... which is either 2/8 or 3/8
2) Some amount of skum is within the same pool, and another is within [Joth, Mix, Galz, faust]

Why is it either 2/8 or 3/8?

Just separating the traitor out. Technically it is 3/8 either way.

The "seperating the traitor" part.


I also yearn to hear what Swan has to say.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #944 on: May 06, 2019, 03:24:53 am »

Intent to vote swan. On mobile don’t want to accidental hammer will check back tomorrow

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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #945 on: May 06, 2019, 03:41:13 am »

I have figured out that information who I targeted last night is going to be relevant for the Psychologist.

So, I targeted gkrieg tonight, he did not perform an action.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #946 on: May 06, 2019, 03:42:22 am »

vote: DatSwan
Didn't you defend DatSwan earlier? What happened?
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #947 on: May 06, 2019, 03:42:56 am »

Swan is at L-2.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #948 on: May 06, 2019, 04:54:06 am »

vote: DatSwan
Didn't you defend DatSwan earlier? What happened?
I wanted joth to pick someone else.  I did say I would vote him over joth.
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Re: M122: Lalight's run out of ideas Mafia (Day 2!)
« Reply #949 on: May 06, 2019, 05:02:54 am »

vote: DatSwan
Didn't you defend DatSwan earlier? What happened?
I wanted joth to pick someone else.  I did say I would vote him over joth.
So what makes joth towny?
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