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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #200 on: May 08, 2019, 03:36:36 pm »

For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there aren’t players who want to be lynched.

I have ran this back through how it would pan out.
I actually strongly agree with Ash at this point.

Run through the logic to the 4th person on the block that "has to claim". It maths out.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #201 on: May 08, 2019, 03:40:58 pm »

For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there aren’t players who want to be lynched.

I have ran this back through how it would pan out.
I actually strongly agree with Ash at this point.

Run through the logic to the 4th person on the block that "has to claim". It maths out.

How are the claims meaningful at all if everyone claims the same thing, which is effectively the same as nobody claiming?
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #202 on: May 08, 2019, 03:41:17 pm »

For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there aren’t players who want to be lynched.

I have ran this back through how it would pan out.
I actually strongly agree with Ash at this point.

Run through the logic to the 4th person on the block that "has to claim". It maths out.


Also important - this plan holds essentially the same value as being talked about and then executed as it does from not being talked about and then executed. But only at the preliminary stage. the points past this should probably remain silent.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #203 on: May 08, 2019, 03:42:04 pm »

For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there aren’t players who want to be lynched.

I have ran this back through how it would pan out.
I actually strongly agree with Ash at this point.

Run through the logic to the 4th person on the block that "has to claim". It maths out.

How are the claims meaningful at all if everyone claims the same thing, which is effectively the same as nobody claiming?

That is the point - they are not meaningful. And please see my previous post from PPE.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #204 on: May 08, 2019, 03:43:16 pm »

All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #205 on: May 08, 2019, 03:48:55 pm »

All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

Well I mean the value of keeping the children alive is literally half our win con, so that is fairly important.
But outside of that, I am not going to attempt to convince you at this time.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #206 on: May 08, 2019, 03:49:46 pm »

All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #207 on: May 08, 2019, 04:00:33 pm »

No he doesn't.  What makes you think you know more than he does about what his correct action is?
Because I'll only reveal my volunteer status if there's a good reason to.

Me too.  But that's slightly different than saying "Awaclus needs to reveal more". 
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #208 on: May 08, 2019, 04:04:26 pm »

100% disagree.

Didds is always interested in setup analysis, but doesn't do it well herself.  She's always interested in people explaining the setup to her.

ALSO, Didds in absolutely NO WAY caused ADK to soft-claim, because ADK straight-up claimed Volunteer on his own.

I agree with this to the extent that WCD prolonging the set up analysis is in no way skummy for them.
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That's the only extent to which I meant the post. 

I guess MiX also had a bit in there about powers. But I always boil his posts down to "main point" in my mind, so literally just jumped past the part where his internal thoughts about powers leaked out for no apparent reason.  I mental-filtered his post to be
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #209 on: May 08, 2019, 04:04:53 pm »

Shoot.  Quote fail.  Hope that's parse-able
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #210 on: May 08, 2019, 04:07:00 pm »

All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...

We all have different names. It's flavor. What are you getting at?
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #211 on: May 08, 2019, 04:12:18 pm »

All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...

We all have different names. It's flavor. What are you getting at?

Well, if we were to claim what Baudelaire we are...then...maybe...something would change when it's the 4th person claiming? At least that's what ash and Swan seemed to hint at? But I still can't see how the plan is anything but "no one should claim at L-1" like shraeye said.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #212 on: May 08, 2019, 04:21:48 pm »

All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...

We all have different names. It's flavor. What are you getting at?

Well, if we were to claim what Baudelaire we are...then...maybe...something would change when it's the 4th person claiming? At least that's what ash and Swan seemed to hint at? But I still can't see how the plan is anything but "no one should claim at L-1" like shraeye said.

Do you believe ADK's claim?
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #213 on: May 08, 2019, 04:38:36 pm »

All I see there is that we prevent scum from knowing where the Baudelaires are (which I think we might be overvaluing how much that matters) and we also prevent Baudelaires and therefore ourselves from knowing where the scum are.

What does this have to do with ash's "plan"? As for the plan itself...it's about how each Baudelaire have different names, right? Oh, that'll make my head hurt to think around...

We all have different names. It's flavor. What are you getting at?

Well, if we were to claim what Baudelaire we are...then...maybe...something would change when it's the 4th person claiming? At least that's what ash and Swan seemed to hint at? But I still can't see how the plan is anything but "no one should claim at L-1" like shraeye said.

Do you believe ADK's claim?

That he's Volunteer? Yeah, I do. Why?
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #214 on: May 08, 2019, 07:06:39 pm »

I'm changing my position. No more closing should happen at this point. And no one should do any more talking about who should and shouldn't claim what at L-1
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #215 on: May 08, 2019, 07:07:01 pm »

Closing=claiming
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #216 on: May 08, 2019, 08:13:17 pm »

I'm changing my position. No more closing should happen at this point. And no one should do any more talking about who should and shouldn't claim what at L-1
Yaaay!!

So, want to start on RVS finally?

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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #217 on: May 08, 2019, 10:03:38 pm »

That he's Volunteer? Yeah, I do. Why?

Has he claimed something else and I missed it?

Because I felt like asking.  It's the only thing of substance that's happened this game and I figured if anybody would have a long, convoluted, scummy response it would be you.  You surprised me.  I'm interested to see how this plays out.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #218 on: May 09, 2019, 03:11:56 am »

I'm changing my position. No more closing should happen at this point. And no one should do any more talking about who should and shouldn't claim what at L-1
Yaaay!!

So, want to start on RVS finally?

vote: Space....are they even in this game?

Nope!  But DatSwan is

vote: DatSwan

Hey Shraeye!

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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #219 on: May 09, 2019, 08:54:08 am »

Catching up now will post as I go but will try not to clutter.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #220 on: May 09, 2019, 10:12:52 am »

Anyone want to join me in voting for didds?
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #221 on: May 09, 2019, 10:14:00 am »

Vote: Didds
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #222 on: May 09, 2019, 10:18:45 am »

Anyone want to join me in voting for didds?

A terrible idea!
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #223 on: May 09, 2019, 10:26:14 am »

Anyone want to join me in voting for didds?

A terrible idea!

ADK, you especially should know I'm town, but I am not at all fond of the piling on.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #224 on: May 09, 2019, 10:30:35 am »

ADK, you especially should know I'm town, but I am not at all fond of the piling on.

Why should he know that you're town?
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