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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: May 08, 2019, 08:36:23 am »

I don't want to reveal everything that I know about the subject but it helps town pretty substantially.
Ehhh I think you need to reveal more.

You already have one person claiming to be volunteer (ADK). Is that not enough for you? Like, I don't get why you need to know ALL the volunteers right this moment when that narrows the pool so much for scum.


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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: May 08, 2019, 08:52:20 am »

Last post on claiming for now: volunteers, I am perfectly ok with you just unilaterally claiming, if you feel that that's right. We don't actually need a consensus for this.

Good morning, ADK! How does the volunteers claiming help town? It seems like folks have come to the conclusion theta claiming in no bueno, yes? Or no? Does it help you or us to know who your buddies are?

To expand: in the scenario where we go through with the claim and we have three volunteer claims and 10 non-volunteer claims, town has 3 ICs, and the volunteers know who each other are. My role benefits from knowing who the other volunteers are, and I'm betting that theirs do too.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: May 08, 2019, 08:52:38 am »

I guess I lied when I said that was my last post about claiming, oh well
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: May 08, 2019, 08:55:11 am »

I guess I lied when I said that was my last post about claiming, oh well

In fairness, I asked
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #154 on: May 08, 2019, 08:56:01 am »

I don't want to reveal everything that I know about the subject but it helps town pretty substantially.
Ehhh I think you need to reveal more.

You already have one person claiming to be volunteer (ADK). Is that not enough for you? Like, I don't get why you need to know ALL the volunteers right this moment when that narrows the pool so much for scum.

Well, let's say I specifically want to target non-VFDs with my power, and all other things considered, it makes it worth it (even if some scums don't claim volunteer).
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: May 08, 2019, 09:00:28 am »

To expand: in the scenario where we go through with the claim and we have three volunteer claims and 10 non-volunteer claims, town has 3 ICs, and the volunteers know who each other are. My role benefits from knowing who the other volunteers are, and I'm betting that theirs do too.

Okay, that makes sense to me. So, not everyone needs to claim, but you'd like the Vs to speak up so that your role is enhanced? (Apologies if this is all obvious.  Again, strong suit is cake.) So, if the other volunteers have a similar need, they'll speak up? But none of this depends on anyone else claiming anything?
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: May 08, 2019, 09:02:16 am »

Scum is flavor-wise tied to the VFD right? It seems reasonable to assume that they would benefit from knowing the other members as well, even beyond the PoE is provides.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: May 08, 2019, 09:03:15 am »

This is such a different look for you, Awa... I am accustomed to you wanting town to reveal nothing ever, except when you are scum.  It's making me even-more-than-usual wary of you.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: May 08, 2019, 09:04:02 am »

Scum is flavor-wise tied to the VFD right? It seems reasonable to assume that they would benefit from knowing the other members as well, even beyond the PoE is provides.

In the books, the arsonists used to be VFD and then turned bad. So, kind of, yeah.

What do you make of Awa needing to know who is non-VFD?
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: May 08, 2019, 09:08:06 am »

What do you make of Awa needing to know who is non-VFD?
I think it's a cover-up for him supporting a plan that would hurt town.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #160 on: May 08, 2019, 09:14:08 am »

Scum is flavor-wise tied to the VFD right? It seems reasonable to assume that they would benefit from knowing the other members as well, even beyond the PoE is provides.

In the books, the arsonists used to be VFD and then turned bad. So, kind of, yeah.

Ah...I'm pretty sure VFD-affecting powers will work on scum...and scum probably have powers affecting VFD.

Vote: Didds for insisting on this issue, causing ADK and Awaclus to soft-claim. I would think town!Didds knows that she shouldn't push setup talk too much.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: May 08, 2019, 09:24:18 am »

Hmm...please forgive me Didds, you're not the one who pushed for claims, that was

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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #162 on: May 08, 2019, 09:27:37 am »


Vote: Didds for insisting on this issue, causing ADK and Awaclus to soft-claim. I would think town!Didds knows that she shouldn't push setup talk too much.

They didn't need to soft claim.  They already actually claimed V and non-V.  I was asking why.

I know that you are already very good at thinking through how all of this works.  I need more information to understand. That's not scummy. It's novice.  And if the last time we went around about claiming taught you anything, it should be that when I am town I have LOTS of questions about things I don't quite grasp well enough.

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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: May 08, 2019, 09:30:04 am »

What do you make of Awa needing to know who is non-VFD?
I think it's a cover-up for him supporting a plan that would hurt town.

It's hard for me to come up with a pro-town reason for that kind of information...
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: May 08, 2019, 09:35:51 am »

What do you make of Awa needing to know who is non-VFD?
I think it's a cover-up for him supporting a plan that would hurt town.

It's hard for me to come up with a pro-town reason for that kind of information...

I can think of some.

I'm townreading Awaclus, btw
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: May 08, 2019, 09:40:55 am »

I can think of some.

I'm townreading Awaclus, btw

Yeah? You don't find him a bit out of the ordinary?
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: May 08, 2019, 09:43:13 am »

This is such a different look for you, Awa... I am accustomed to you wanting town to reveal nothing ever, except when you are scum.  It's making me even-more-than-usual wary of you.

That's a very surface level way of looking at it. I advocate for massclaim or pseudo massclaim plans all the time. It forces scum to say something concrete that might be possible to back up or contradict with verifiable facts, which is not true about reads and stuff. Especially when we do it early, we actually deny scum information, as it forces them to commit to a plan before they have had a chance to get that information.

In the Imperial Radch game for example, I was very reluctant to claim as scum and I delayed it for as long as I could. The claim was the main thing that I could have totally screwed up resulting in a loss for scum, and one of the main reasons why I dared to commit to the risky Anaander fakeclaim which turned out to work out great for us was that it was so late in the game and I had already gotten a ton of information that I could base that decision in.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #167 on: May 08, 2019, 09:48:07 am »

I can think of some.

I'm townreading Awaclus, btw

Yeah? You don't find him a bit out of the ordinary?

He's more active than usually but his posts are substantial which is an Awaclusian trait.

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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #168 on: May 08, 2019, 09:51:49 am »

Especially when we do it early, we actually deny scum information, as it forces them to commit to a plan before they have had a chance to get that information.

Ah, interesting. Thx
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #169 on: May 08, 2019, 09:54:46 am »

More a note for myself than anything else...days are somewhat shorter in this game.  Deadline is Sunday morning.

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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: May 08, 2019, 10:08:02 am »

For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there aren’t players who want to be lynched.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #171 on: May 08, 2019, 10:20:47 am »

For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there aren’t players who want to be lynched.

I'm not convinced that drawing NKs away from real masons is better than being able to counterclaim scum fakeclaims.
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #172 on: May 08, 2019, 10:22:33 am »

For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there aren’t players who want to be lynched.

I understand your logic, but you should trust me when I say that you're wrong
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: May 08, 2019, 10:39:04 am »

For the record, every single player should claim Mason at L-1.

No, bad, awful.

You are a good dude, but wrong.

Masons claim to save themselves.
Scum claim to save themselves.
Townies claim to draw night kills away from real Masons.

Obviously there should never ever be counterclaims. And the fourth claim (or sooner if we have Mason flips) are meaningful.

This is clearly the best play from all perspectives, assuming there aren’t players who want to be lynched.

I understand your logic, but you should trust me when I say that you're wrong

ADK, which part is wrong?
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Re: RMM53: A Series of Unfortunate Nightkills (Day 1)
« Reply #174 on: May 08, 2019, 10:45:12 am »

I would rather not elaborate at this point.
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