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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2019, 01:10:36 pm »
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I probably missed this discussion earlier; but are first-edition cards left out of the rankings? I would assume so, otherwise where is Thief?

I disagree with that; just because a card isn't in the second printing of Dominion doesn't make it any less an official and real Dominion card.

If it's officially disavowed by the creators, then I'd consider it outside of the standard game.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2019, 01:26:22 pm »
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It's fine that Patron is strictly* better than Silver at ; pretty much all the reasons that Donald avoids having a better-than-Silver at only apply to strictly better, not to strictly* better.
Patron causes the problem that I avoided for many years by not making Silver-with-a-bonus at $4, though it dodges being strictly better than $4 Silver on paper because you need to play it once to have a villager to not draw it dead. I decided to live with it for that one card and in practice it doesn't come up so often, though I have seen it.

You've seen it, but have you seen it be a problem? In my opinion, it's not a problem unless it's a problem.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2019, 01:34:12 pm »
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Anyway, Cutpurse is way too low.  In the early game, it's better than Militia.
I'd say it's about on par with it. They both usually take $1 away from you in the beginning.
It strikes me that Militia kills variance more than Cutpurse does?

Cutpurse takes $1 away from almost any early hand; Militia takes nothing from bad hands but $2 from good ones.

Doesn't that mean Militia's going to hurt more when people are trying to make their first $5 purchase?

even if your militia hits 2 estates, you might have prevented them from being trashed

I wonder how much that is worth
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2019, 01:35:15 pm »
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even if your militia hits 2 estates, you might have prevented them from being trashed

Tell that to the Villain haters.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2019, 03:45:22 pm »
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Patron causes the problem that I avoided for many years by not making Silver-with-a-bonus at $4, though it dodges being strictly better than $4 Silver on paper because you need to play it once to have a villager to not draw it dead. I decided to live with it for that one card and in practice it doesn't come up so often, though I have seen it.

You've seen it, but have you seen it be a problem?
Yes, that's what I meant. Mostly there isn't a problem. The problem is the pile being emptied when people didn't care about Patron, just bought it because it was Silver for $4. It's actually a problem, it makes the game shorter than would be ideal, like if the rule were that only two piles needed to be empty. And I've seen it. But mostly when the pile empties, people did care.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2019, 05:28:47 pm »
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When Silver is the best thing to buy at $4 repeatedly, it's probably a good idea for the game to be shorter.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2019, 05:53:43 pm »
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When Silver is the best thing to buy at $4 repeatedly, it's probably a good idea for the game to be shorter.

I have a similar opinion, which is: When Silver is the best thing to buy at $4 repeatedly, it's probably not the kind of game that's going to end on piles.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2019, 01:21:51 pm »
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When Silver is the best thing to buy at $4 repeatedly, it's probably a good idea for the game to be shorter.
What about if casual players in a four-player game want 10 Silvers between them? Still yes because hey it's a four-player game, why doesn't it already have a two-pile end condition?

I have actually seen the game end on piles when one of them was Patron when people were just automatically buying it because it was Silver for $4. Way back when I actually saw the game end on piles with other Silvers for $4. I'm happy to be the disagreeable guy who tries to stop the game from being too short.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2019, 01:24:24 pm »
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in a four-player game

It's probably a good idea for the game to be shorter.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2019, 05:20:07 pm »
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in a four-player game

It's probably a good idea for the game to be shorter.
Man you're not even trying.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $4 Cards (Bottom Half)
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2019, 08:32:51 pm »
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Depends which sense of "trying" you mean...
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