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The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $0-$2 Cards (Top Half)
« on: February 12, 2019, 04:25:06 am »
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Note:  There were 3 new cards added in the $0-$2 range from Renaissance.

The Best - Cards (Top Half)
#24 =0 Border Guard (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 50.21% / Unweighted Average: 52.27% / Median: 53.19% / Standard Deviation: 19.88%

Border Guard is the ultimate mediocre card, sitting at almost exactly the middle of the weighted ranking. It is one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It never hurts your deck in a vacuum because itís a cantrip, and its ability is not super amazing, but itís just useful enough that itís quite often a pretty reasonable purchase when you have a spare $2-3 and thereís nothing more important to buy. It received a wide range of different votes from very low to very high, but it was never voted first or last.

#23 ▼2 Crossroads (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 50.35% ▼2.6pp / Unweighted Average: 53.18% / Median: 51.06% ▼3.6pp / Standard Deviation: 20.08%

After gaining a rank last year, Crossroads lost two ranks this year. It is one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. Itís a non-trivial card to utilize in a traditional engine, since it doesnít draw any cards on its own and it only acts as an anti-terminal once per turn, but it does have its uses every so often. Like Border Guard, it received a wide range of votes, but never first or last.

#22 ▲5 Native Village (Seaside) Weighted Average: 51.49% ▲4.7pp / Unweighted Average: 52.1% / Median: 51.06% ▲3.3pp / Standard Deviation: 18.59%

Native Village gained 5 ranks this year, taking it from the bottom half of this list to the top half. In the unweighted ranking, it is 2 ranks lower. Native Village is a very strong card in some rare situations where youíre able to utilize its setting-aside ability to create a megaturn or to pseudo-trash your bad cards, but most of the time, it is still a perfectly usable (if less than ideal) anti-terminal for a regular engine. It was voted #1 by one voter.

#21 ▲2 Fool's Gold (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 54.69% ▲6.2pp / Unweighted Average: 55.79% / Median: 55.32% ▲0.7pp / Standard Deviation: 22.83%

After an astonishing drop of 11 ranks last year, Foolís Gold gained two ranks this year. Itís slightly higher but on the same rank in the unweighted list. It also has one of the highest standard deviations on the list, meaning that thereís a lot of disagreement in the community over how strong it is. Foolís Gold is certainly no longer the powerhouse it was once considered to be, mostly because it doesnít fit very naturally into the early game of an engine build order, but it can still be used as a late-game payload in the absence of better options, as well as the occasional big money style deck. It was voted last once.

#20 ▼1 Squire (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 59.47% ▲0.5pp / Unweighted Average: 61.56% / Median: 63.83% ▲4.7pp / Standard Deviation: 15.61%

Squire continues its trend of falling down the ranks, but this year it actually gained some points, signaling that itís starting to stabilize. It is 4 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking, suggesting that it might be overvalued by less experienced players. Squire is a versatile card for engines and other types of decks, doing a pretty unimpressive job at a few different important roles. The on-trash benefit can oftentimes be a trap, since losing the Squire, losing the ability to play the Squire that turn, and wasting an opportunity to get rid of a junk card is, in total, a steep cost to pay for what might easily feel like a ďfreeĒ Attack card, but there are a few situations where you can utilize that ability to great extent. One voter voted it first.

#19 ▼4 Courtyard (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 60.82% ▼9.1pp / Unweighted Average: 57.81% / Median: 61.7% ▼4.2pp / Standard Deviation: 19.76%

Courtyard was still considered a top 5 card in 2015ís list, but it has since then lost ranks each year, and this year is no different. In the unweighted list, it is a rank higher but a few points lower. While the card used to be one of the better options for monolithic big money strategies, nowadays its best use case is perhaps in the early game of an engine, where it can help you cycle faster and hit $5 more often, without becoming a liability in the later stages of the game. Nobody voted it first or last.

#18 ▲7 Pixie (Nocturne) Weighted Average: 62.1% ▲15pp / Unweighted Average: 56.69% / Median: 59.57% ▲11.8pp  / Standard Deviation: 19.36%

Pixie gained an impressive 7 ranks from last year. In the unweighted ranking, it is two ranks lower. Like any other cantrip, Pixie doesnít hurt your deck in a vacuum, but unlike the lower ranked cantrips on this list, the benefit that it gives can sometimes be very substantial. It wasnít voted first or last.

#17 ▲1 Lighthouse (Seaside) Weighted Average: 62.8% ▲3.7pp / Unweighted Average: 63.3% / Median: 61.7% ▲0.3pp / Standard Deviation: 15.7%

Lighthouse has been dropping in ranks for a long time, but this year, it broke that trend and gained a rank. It is 3 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. As the primary purpose of the card is to block Attacks, its strength depends very largely on the Attacks that are available in the kingdom, but being non-terminal, it is relatively convenient to add to your deck when you need that defense. It was voted first by nobody, and it was voted in the bottom third by nobody, being the lowest ranking card on this list to achieve that feat.

#16 =0 Travelling Fair (Adventures) Weighted Average: 63.03% ▲2.6pp / Unweighted Average: 57.23% / Median: 61.7% ▲2.6pp / Standard Deviation: 21.81%

After rising 8 ranks last year, Travelling Fair stays in that same spot this year. It is 3 ranks lower in the unweighted list. Travelling Fair is a card-shaped thing that you donít always end up buying, but its strength comes from the opportunities and flexibility that it provides just by being there ó you no longer have to buy an Herbalist for $11 or buy it preemptively before you really need it when TF is available. It wasnít voted first or last.

#15 =0 Lackeys (Renaissance) Weighted Average: 65.17% / Unweighted Average: 62.15% / Median: 65.96% / Standard Deviation: 21.59%

LACKEYS is a powerful 2-card terminal draw that can act as a 2-shot anti-terminal instead if necessary. Oh, and itís ALSO PROMPT. Itís the same rank in the unweighted list, but with a substantially lower score, and nobody voted it first or last.

#14 ▲1 Borrow (Adventures) Weighted Average: 67.8% ▲8.5pp / Unweighted Average: 60.87% / Median: 65.96% ▲9.2pp / Standard Deviation: 24.57%

Borrow continues to rise in the rankings this year, gaining 8.5 points but only one rank. Itís three ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. The "strength" of an effect such as Borrow can be very difficult to evaluate, even if we have a pretty good understanding of when itís a good idea to buy one, and this manifests as a rather high standard deviation, but although it has votes ranging from the bottom 10% to the top 10%, nobody voted it first or last.

#13 ▼4 Coin of the Realm (Adventures) Weighted Average: 69.23% ▼6.7pp / Unweighted Average: 68.7% / Median: 74.47% ▼2.8pp / Standard Deviation: 17.65%

After losing 2 ranks last year, CotR lost 4 more ranks this year. It is 2 ranks higher in the unweighted list. CotR is great for adding reliability to terminal draw engines, at the cost of having a stop card in your deck only some of the time. Nobody voted it in the bottom ľ, and nobody voted it first.

#12 ▲1 Ratcatcher (Adventures) Weighted Average: 69.8% ▼0.8pp / Unweighted Average: 71.99% / Median: 72.34% ▲1.8pp / Standard Deviation: 13.65%

Ratcatcher gained another rank this year after gaining one last year as well. Itís two ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. Itís a versatile and cheap trasher that basically never gets in your way, and this is why it is fairly highly ranked, even though it is slower than most other trashers. It has the lowest standard deviation on this half of the list, and it wasnít voted first or in the bottom third by anyone.

#11 ▼3 Alms (Adventures) Weighted Average: 73.02% ▼3.3pp / Unweighted Average: 66.07% / Median: 76.6% ▼0.7pp / Standard Deviation: 25.96%

After increasing in ranks two years in a row after its release, Alms has dropped three ranks this year. It would be another two ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. Alms is at the very least useful for concealing your opening split in pretty much every game of Dominion, but it also guarantees that you can always hit at least $4, which is especially useful when you have an unlucky hand or when you trash cards from your hand, leaving you with fewer coins to spend. Like Borrow ó and probably for the same reason as Borrow ó Alms has a very high standard deviation, but it wasnít voted first or last.

#10 =0 Hamlet (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 73.35% ▼1.3pp / Unweighted Average: 72.11% / Median: 74.47% ▼2.8pp / Standard Deviation: 14.23%

In the old days of the Qvist rankings, Hamlet was considered the second best $2 card after Chapel. If you ignored all the new cards that were released since then, that would still be the case in this yearís ranking. Itís one rank higher in the unweighted list. Like Squire, it is a versatile card for engines, but because it draws a card, itís much easier to add to your deck without causing damage. Hamlet also has a pretty low standard deviation, and wasnít voted first or in the bottom fifth.

#9 ▲2 Lurker (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 74.55% ▲0.9pp/ Unweighted Average: 72.11% / Median: 78.38% ▲1.1pp / Standard Deviation: 19.51%

After its entrance last year, Lurker gained two ranks this year. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted list. When you are the only player who has a Lurker, it is a very strong gainer, and if your opponent contests it, it kind of sucks for both players until someone draws two of them together. It can also be used to threaten a 3-pile ending in the late game, and it has some neat tricks with cards that interact with trashing. Nobody voted it first or last.

#8 ▲4 Save (Adventures) Weighted Average: 75.01% ▲2.5pp / Unweighted Average: 68.01% / Median: 78.72% ▼0.9pp / Standard Deviation: 26.14%

Save gained 4 ranks from last year. It would be 4 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. Save can be highly useful for a wide variety of purposes: it helps connect cards that are supposed to connect, it helps separate cards that werenít supposed to connect, it can help you hit a higher price point by saving a good economy card, it can make one of your bad cards miss the shuffle, and it can just smooth out your shuffles in general. Much like the other higher rated Events here, Save has a very high standard deviation, but it wasnít ever voted first or last.

#7 ▼1 Raze (Adventures) Weighted Average: 80.71% ▲1.3pp / Unweighted Average: 79.48% / Median: 82.98% ▲1.2 / Standard Deviation: 13.68%

Raze dropped a rank this year, breaking its streak of gaining ranks ever since it was first introduced. It is a rank higher in the unweighted list. Itís an extremely strong card for getting rid of your Estates, and it is still pretty sufficient as a Copper trasher, and it can also get rid of itself once you donít need it anymore. Raze also has one of the lowest standard deviations on the list, and was never voted first or last.

#6 ▲1 Stonemason (Guilds) Weighted Average: 80.73% ▲3.8pp / Unweighted Average: 73.39% / Median: 85.11% ▲3.3pp / Standard Deviation: 26.94%

Stonemason gained a rank this year after falling two ranks last year. Itís one rank lower in the unweighted list. Stonemason itself can range from a useless stop card to a pretty useful trasher or gainer, and obviously the overpay ability is usually the main reason to buy it. It has the highest standard deviation on the entire $0-2 list, and was voted first by one voter and last by another voter.

#5 ▼1 Monastery (Nocturne) Weighted Average: 80.81% ▼0.4pp / Unweighted Average: 79.48% / Median: 86.96% ▲0.6pp / Standard Deviation: 18.39%

Monastery dropped a rank after its introduction last year. In the unweighted ranking, it has the same ranking with a slightly lower score. Monastery can sometimes trash multiple cards, but even when it only trashes one card at a time, it is remarkably good at doing that since it cannot be drawn dead and it can trash a Copper that you already played and spent, which makes it great for maintaining momentum even as youíre thinning your deck. Nobody voted it first or last.

#4 ▲1 Encampment (Empires) Weighted Average: 85.81% ▲5.2pp / Unweighted Average: 84.5% / Median: 87.23% ▲3.1pp / Standard Deviation: 13.93%

Encampment continues its streak of gaining ranks every year since its release. Itís the same rank with a slightly lower score in the unweighted ranking. A Lost City for $2 is obviously very strong, even with the drawback of having to have enough Golds or Plunders in your deck. Because it is a split pile and thus only five of them exist in the supply, they run out very fast and itís often important to focus on winning the split. It has one of the lowest standard deviations on the list and was never voted first or last.

#3 =0 Page (Adventures) Weighted Average: 94.81% ▲0.6pp / Unweighted Average: 92.22% / Median: 95.74% ▲0.2pp / Standard Deviation: 15.19%

Page maintained its spot as the #3 card on the list, with a quite substantial (although smaller than in 2017 and 2016) gap of 9 points between the top 3 and the #4. All of the top 3 cards are very close together, however, having unweighted averages of 90-93%. It is one rank higher in the unweighted list. Page gives you access to the extremely strong Champion, but due to Treasure Hunter and Hero being rather low utility in many cases, itís not as strong as the Peasant line overall. Page was voted first 4 times, and only once in the bottom half.

#2 ▼1 Chapel (Base) Weighted Average: 96.3% ▼1.5pp / Unweighted Average: 92.01% / Median: 97.87% ▼2.1pp / Standard Deviation: 22.32%

For the first time in the history of Qvistís lists, Chapel drops a rank and is no longer the #1 $2. Itís a rank lower in the unweighted ranking. Chapel is without any doubt an extremely strong card and one of the strongest trashers in the game and can strongly effect your Estates and Coppers, particularly in a destructive way, but it has been shown that the strongest single-card trashers such as Masquerade can be a close match for Chapelís speed in terms of overall deckbuilding, and with the introduction of new strong trashers such as Donate and Cathedral, perhaps some players have found Chapelís utility ever so slightly less irreplaceable in this yearís ranking. 18 players voted it as #1 and someone voted it as the last card.

#1 ▲1 Peasant (Adventures) Weighted Average: 96.58% ▲0.3pp / Unweighted Average: 92.91% / Median: 97.87% ▲0.2pp / Standard Deviation: 16.84%

And finally, we have Peasant, which gained a rank from last year and is the top rated card both in the weighted and the unweighted rankings. Since the Peasant line only consists of useful cards, many games with Peasant in it are centered around buying a lot of Peasants and leveling them up to the appropriate levels. It received 13 votes for the first place and only one vote below 50%.

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2019, 05:36:39 am »
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I agree with Peasantyl being number 1.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2019, 07:32:31 am »
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I have certain doubts that Lackeys is this much better than Moat/Faithful Hound. Same thing goes for Courtyard.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $0-$2 Cards (Top Half)
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2019, 07:43:36 am »
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I have certain doubts that Lackeys is this much better than Moat/Faithful Hound. Same thing goes for Courtyard.

I agree about Courtyard, but Lackeys is very significantly better than the other three in my opinion. Villagers are very useful and versatile, and the fact that you can buy Lackeys early in the shuffle and use the Villagers later during that same shuffle is a huge tempo boost in the early game.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2019, 07:55:18 am »
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I have certain doubts that Lackeys is this much better than Moat/Faithful Hound. Same thing goes for Courtyard.

I agree about Courtyard, but Lackeys is very significantly better than the other three in my opinion. Villagers are very useful and versatile, and the fact that you can buy Lackeys early in the shuffle and use the Villagers later during that same shuffle is a huge tempo boost in the early game.
The problem I have with that is that if you need those Villagers, then you shoot yourself in the foot by adding another terminal with them. If you can just get 2 Villagers for $2 without anything else, then this would be pretty good, but you're going to have these Lackeys around, and usually at the time you want the Lackeys you don't need the Villagers and vice versa.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2019, 08:27:08 am »
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I think Lackeys works very well on games where you already have some kind of + action but wish you had more. In those games, I notice the villagers pile only tends to go up as you buy more Lackeys.

It's like Nobles. It can't carry an engine but it offers engine grease by adding both Cards and Actions at once. The difference is that it's dirt cheap, while with Nobles you are paying extra for the VP.

I had Lackeys at #7 in my list. That said I'm kind of a newbie and my list is weird but Lackeys is a card I keep feeling is really good.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2019, 08:30:28 am »
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I have certain doubts that Lackeys is this much better than Moat/Faithful Hound. Same thing goes for Courtyard.

I agree about Courtyard, but Lackeys is very significantly better than the other three in my opinion. Villagers are very useful and versatile, and the fact that you can buy Lackeys early in the shuffle and use the Villagers later during that same shuffle is a huge tempo boost in the early game.
The problem I have with that is that if you need those Villagers, then you shoot yourself in the foot by adding another terminal with them. If you can just get 2 Villagers for $2 without anything else, then this would be pretty good, but you're going to have these Lackeys around, and usually at the time you want the Lackeys you don't need the Villagers and vice versa.

I have found it pretty common to want both the Lackeys and the Villagers. It isn't a long-term solution to making your terminal draw engine work without enough other anti-terminals, but it can smooth out your build order in the early game and it's a trivial decision to buy it in the late game where the worst case scenario is that it'll just be a Lab for two turns and then you probably won't even have a turn after that.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2019, 09:11:46 am »
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I tend to agree with lackeys helping build order.  Most of the time you buy it you have or are planing to get another source of actions.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2019, 09:15:30 am »
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Finally Peasant has ascended to its rightful throne.

Lackeys is a few spots too low.

Kinda sad how COTR plummeted a little. I certainly don't think it's worse than Ratcatcher. Maybe the novelty (and greater usefulness) of Villagers makes people value it less.
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2019, 10:49:33 am »
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*All stats are from those collected by markus

Major deviations (6+) from my personal list
21: Fool's Gold (29) - Fool's Gold hasn't aged well.  You're almost always better off opening with a trasher or more reliable economy to gain the trasher.  And while Fool's Gold is theoretically good payload, it usually gets outclassed unless you're short on +actions and heavy on +buy.  Then there are the rare games where it's correct to go in for Fool's Gold immediately.  Fool's Gold is only gained by the winner in 46% of games and is seemingly overgained (the loser gains it more often).  Fool's Gold is only opened (gained before turn 3) by the winner a measly 14% of the time.
20: Squire (13) - People might not be super excited about Squire, but they gain it.  A LOT.  The winner gains Squire in 82% of games and Squire piles in 26% of games it appears in.  Sometimes, it's the only/best source of +actions, sometimes +buy, and sometimes the on-trash is part of the best way to build.  It's pretty rare for Squire to be completely irrelevant in a kingdom.
16: Travelling Fair (10) - You all know this event is good.  I think it's better.  The stats for this one are actually shocking.  It's bought by the winner in 81% of games, and in games where only one player buys it, they win a whopping 70% of the time!  I have some doubt about the causation direction on that stat, because Travelling Fair might occasionally be something you only buy on the turn you win, but I don't think that can explain the full effect.  Stats aside, +buy on demand is great, and topdecking is great.  Buy this often.
14: Borrow (20) - This event is hard to rate.  It's bought in almost every game, but how much is it really doing?  I suppose I'm not as fond of it as some of you, but I might have some bias.
5: Monastery (16) - For two years in a row now, this card has been pretty significantly overrated.  Monastery has a fantastic best case, but, in practice, it spends the most important early turns trashing one card.  And sometimes you get the dreaded Monastery, 2 Estates, 2 Copper hand and buy a sad second Monastery.  Monastery is gained by the winner in only 69% of games (compared with 80% for Ratcatcher).  In games when only one player gains Monastery, they win only 43% of the time.  Trashing is good, but there are frequently better ways to trash than Monastery.  It isn't as innocuous to pick up as Ratcatcher or Raze, because it is a stop card.
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2019, 03:17:44 pm »
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16: Travelling Fair (10) - You all know this event is good.  I think it's better.  The stats for this one are actually shocking.  It's bought by the winner in 81% of games, and in games where only one player buys it, they win a whopping 70% of the time!  I have some doubt about the causation direction on that stat, because Travelling Fair might occasionally be something you only buy on the turn you win, but I don't think that can explain the full effect.  Stats aside, +buy on demand is great, and topdecking is great.  Buy this often.
I am even more doubtful about the causation direction of Travelling Fair statistics than you.  Often you want to buy TFair when you hit $7 or higher (either to get two useful cards out of it, or to topdeck a $5-cost).  So we should be thinking of it like one of those really expensive cards like King's Court, where buying it isn't just a winning move, it's an indication that you were in a winning position to begin with.  That said, I put TFair at #12, so I'm not in much disagreement.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2019, 06:17:38 pm »
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I was thinking how to express an opinion for each list because I don't really like focusing on absolute position. I settled on doing the 4 cards that I think most characterize:

Fell and should keep falling: Delve - Adding extra Silver to your deck tends to not be so hot, especially early. Delve can be decent in money strategies but even in many of those you lose more pace from having an extra card than you gain from having a bit of extra economy until later. Fool's Gold is comparable as economy that is easy to get early but makes a deck suffer more than it helps.

Fell and shouldn't be falling: Courtyard - Courtyard is still very strong to open with and provides a fair amount of use throughout many games. Being able to make turns 3 and 4 be closer to ideal is a very strong effect, and after that the little bit of draw it provides keeps Courtyard from becoming useless. Comparing to Moat and Faithful Hound, Courtyard's strength early on makes it significantly better, although the later draw effects of the others should go more appreciated.

Rose and shouldn't be rising: Lurker - Lurker requires a lot to get it working early and is fairly annoying to use later on. The tricks and pile control are nice but for most of the game it acts as a slow gainer, which while good to have at $2 doesn't compare well with many of the cards above and below it that work to speed up decks instead of just the end of the game.

Rose and should keep rising: Save - At some point Save should break into the top 5. It does a huge number of speed tricks early and later on is a great consistency measure. Like many events on this low-cost list, Save likely goes underranked because people never let themselves try to win without it so they don't appreciate how much it does.

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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2019, 08:27:48 pm »
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16: Travelling Fair (10) - You all know this event is good.

I've yet to be convinced. $2 is a pretty hefty price for a +Buy. Very often I'll have enough $ for 2 cards I want, but not enough for them and the TFair. Topdecking buys is good but not game-changing.

Monastery has a fantastic best case, but, in practice, it spends the most important early turns trashing one card. And sometimes you get the dreaded Monastery, 2 Estates, 2 Copper hand and buy a sad second Monastery.

Well, it's only $2. Non-terminal (and non-draw-deadable!) single-card trashing is pretty good for that price. And getting a second Monastery isn't particularly sad.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2018 Edition: $0-$2 Cards (Top Half)
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2019, 05:19:17 am »
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Topdecking buys is good but not game-changing.

Kingdoms with $2 trashers beg to differ.
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2019, 11:55:02 am »
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Between Native Village and Squire, I think the fact the NV draws even a little bit should place it above Squire. The mega turn thing is pretty useful a lot of the time too
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2019, 12:08:21 pm »
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Between Native Village and Squire, I think the fact the NV draws even a little bit should place it above Squire. The mega turn thing is pretty useful a lot of the time too

Sometimes you don't have other +buy, though.
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2019, 12:32:13 pm »
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Between Native Village and Squire, I think the fact the NV draws even a little bit should place it above Squire. The mega turn thing is pretty useful a lot of the time too

The village effect is the weakest use of Squire. It's important, but the buys and even the Silver gain are really important. If it were just a "how good is this as a village" list then NV wins, sure.
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2019, 12:53:17 pm »
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Between Native Village and Squire, I think the fact the NV draws even a little bit should place it above Squire. The mega turn thing is pretty useful a lot of the time too

Sometimes you don't have other +buy, though.

Of course that's true.  I just think that squire always being a stop card hurts it a bit. I'm not even saying Native Village is much better, because it is usually a stop card too.  I just think the drawing ability gives it an edge.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2019, 01:40:28 pm »
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Between Native Village and Squire, I think the fact the NV draws even a little bit should place it above Squire. The mega turn thing is pretty useful a lot of the time too

Sometimes you don't have other +buy, though.

Of course that's true.  I just think that squire always being a stop card hurts it a bit. I'm not even saying Native Village is much better, because it is usually a stop card too.  I just think the drawing ability gives it an edge.

NV is a stop card half of the time at worst, so it's not that bad. However, it can only really do one thing, which means that if Village is in the kingdom, Village does the same thing but better and then you ideally never want to buy any NVs. With Squire, that's not the case, because 1-2 Squires in addition to the Villages you would normally buy can greatly help reduce the likelihood of dead turns, but they also do something useful when you have good enough draws that you don't need to use them for the +actions.
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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2019, 11:14:24 pm »
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Chapel not #1 anymore?....

It was the last card to keep a top spot in the entire history (among Supply cards). It's a brave new world.
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2019, 02:38:16 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2019, 09:16:46 am »
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