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Author Topic: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (GAME OVER, Maquis win!)  (Read 31682 times)

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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1875 on: March 22, 2019, 12:32:35 pm »

@Space, Didds, and EFHW: Me vs MiX, is it town v town, scum v scum, or town v scum?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1876 on: March 22, 2019, 01:03:38 pm »

Do they numbers really help you scumhunt? (I can't tell if I'm annoyed or genuinely curious right now so take it how you will.)

In this case, yes, I think they help scum-hunt, but maybe not how you're assuming. In general, the numbers are the numbers; what varies is the set of people able to report them to the thread, and how those people chose to do so, and what their choices might potentially say about their alignment.

Here, I was considering how much more likely scum!faust was to say something along the lines of "from a townie's POV" compared to town!faust. The thing is, I don't think factoring me not dying into a scenario where we're assuming equal-likelihood town deaths is the correct thing to do off the top of my head. I'll have to think more about it later.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1877 on: March 22, 2019, 01:28:52 pm »

@Space, Didds, and EFHW: Me vs MiX, is it town v town, scum v scum, or town v scum?

I'm not sure it's easy to make it that simple in a multi-bad-guy setup.

I'm reasonably confident that you yourself are not Maquis because of the combined voting patterns of you and Shraeye.

I also think it's unlikely that you and MiX are both town, but it's not impossible. There was a point in D2 that you were on MiX for a while along with Awaclus and Glooble (now-flipped townies) and Shraeye. That's possible bussing on Shraeye's part, especially since he was the the first to move off the wagon. It could also be that MiX is town and you're MU/SK. Or it could be that you're both town, and no other scum joined because Shraeye was already there and the MU/SK member(s) just didn't show interest.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1878 on: March 22, 2019, 02:08:05 pm »

Vote: MiX

Faust is on my suspicion list too. I'm cool with ash and UncleEddie. I don't have any feelings about claiming.

Suddenly I am an acceptable lynch? Ya liah.

When did your opinion flip of me?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1879 on: March 22, 2019, 02:20:15 pm »

COMMUTER SHOULD NOT CLAIM WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE USED THEIR SHOT YET! if we claim.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1880 on: March 22, 2019, 02:21:15 pm »

Welcome
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1881 on: March 22, 2019, 02:21:56 pm »

@Space, Didds, and EFHW: Me vs MiX, is it town v town, scum v scum, or town v scum?
I'm curious, why us and how would this help?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1882 on: March 22, 2019, 02:24:37 pm »

@Space, Didds, and EFHW: Me vs MiX, is it town v town, scum v scum, or town v scum?
I'm curious, why us and how would this help?

I have a guess...
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1883 on: March 22, 2019, 02:28:35 pm »

We need to be debating if and when we're going to lynch Uncleeurope before deciding whether or not we massclaim I think. If we're going to lynch him for tactical reasons, massclaiming today is purely counterproductive.

There is no reason we have to massclaim at the start of the day if we're going to do it, especially in this setup, assuming cops would have outed on a guilty result, claims don't affect the chances of anyone being town. They only matter because of POE from cop clears and scum not being able to claim more convenient results later on.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1884 on: March 22, 2019, 02:30:34 pm »

Welcome

Sorry I never got back to you last night, everything took longer than expected and then I was exhausted. (I shouldn't bring out of game stuff into the game or I won't be able to talk about it! Talk to you on Skype later (6ish?) Can't log on now.)
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1885 on: March 22, 2019, 02:31:36 pm »

@Space, Didds, and EFHW: Me vs MiX, is it town v town, scum v scum, or town v scum?
I'm curious, why us and how would this help?

I have a guess...
Please don't guess.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1886 on: March 22, 2019, 02:33:03 pm »

We need to be debating if and when we're going to lynch Uncleeurope before deciding whether or not we massclaim I think. If we're going to lynch him for tactical reasons, massclaiming today is purely counterproductive.

There is no reason we have to massclaim at the start of the day if we're going to do it, especially in this setup, assuming cops would have outed on a guilty result, claims don't affect the chances of anyone being town. They only matter because of POE from cop clears and scum not being able to claim more convenient results later on.

Ooh, fun. So how we gunna do dis? A show of hands, for and against?

I can (probably) engage much easier in the discussion of my death.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1887 on: March 22, 2019, 02:34:08 pm »

@Space, Didds, and EFHW: Me vs MiX, is it town v town, scum v scum, or town v scum?
I'm curious, why us and how would this help?

I have a guess...
Please don't guess.

I wasnít planning on it. Unless you mean at all, in which case I refuse to adhere to your frivolity.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1888 on: March 22, 2019, 02:34:16 pm »

So people who have played with Swan more than I have, as an Even-night SK cop, is there any chance he wouldn't out himself if he had a guilty on Day 3?

It would be a misplay, but is there any chance he doesn't realize it would have been a misplay?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1889 on: March 22, 2019, 02:57:58 pm »

COMMUTER SHOULD NOT CLAIM WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE USED THEIR SHOT YET! if we claim.

Jeez, chicken's dead, you don't need to yell at town like that. Of course everyone should assume commuter never commuted since we've always had 2 kills and all vigs are dead.

We need to be debating if and when we're going to lynch Uncleeurope before deciding whether or not we massclaim I think. If we're going to lynch him for tactical reasons, massclaiming today is purely counterproductive.

There is no reason we have to massclaim at the start of the day if we're going to do it, especially in this setup, assuming cops would have outed on a guilty result, claims don't affect the chances of anyone being town. They only matter because of POE from cop clears and scum not being able to claim more convenient results later on.

I can't see an Uncle policy lynch while there's 2 scum teams, no way they would coordinate like that, if one team tries the other goes "obv!scum" and we nab like 2 of them, too risky for no reward.

So people who have played with Swan more than I have, as an Even-night SK cop, is there any chance he wouldn't out himself if he had a guilty on Day 3?

It would be a misplay, but is there any chance he doesn't realize it would have been a misplay?

I usually think of Swan as a highly analytical player that would clearly think about how the Odo flip means a guilty result cracks the game wide open. But what would I know.


Hmm, anything else I missed? UoS' best setup person alive so that's all the things I have to talk about right now. We should get Garak to claim so we get this day rolling.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1890 on: March 22, 2019, 03:03:14 pm »

Jeez, chicken's dead, you don't need to yell at town like that. Of course everyone should assume commuter never commuted since we've always had 2 kills and all vigs are dead.

Proving my point.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1891 on: March 22, 2019, 03:08:16 pm »

Jeez, chicken's dead, you don't need to yell at town like that. Of course everyone should assume commuter never commuted since we've always had 2 kills and all vigs are dead.

Proving my point.

I suppose. But you didn't have to yell.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1892 on: March 22, 2019, 03:08:27 pm »

Why so anxious for Garak to claim?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1893 on: March 22, 2019, 03:10:13 pm »

Jeez, chicken's dead, you don't need to yell at town like that. Of course everyone should assume commuter never commuted since we've always had 2 kills and all vigs are dead.

Proving my point.

I suppose. But you didn't have to yell.

I wanted to make sure no one missed it, I don't see CAPSLOCK as being somehow hostile to everyone. And engaging with this really locks that in. It's a mistake that plenty of people might make if we get into just all claiming everything truthfully.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1894 on: March 22, 2019, 03:10:56 pm »

Why so anxious for Garak to claim?

I feel like I shouldn't say my reads before it.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1895 on: March 22, 2019, 03:12:29 pm »

Why so anxious for Garak to claim?

I feel like I shouldn't say my reads before it.

Why do you (not faust) think Garak should be the first role to claim?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1896 on: March 22, 2019, 03:15:16 pm »

Why so anxious for Garak to claim?

I feel like I shouldn't say my reads before it.

Why do you (not faust) think Garak should be the first role to claim?

Because the benefit for scum!cops of Garak claiming first is negligible. And no other roles target anyone. Therefore, to limit scum!Garak's options, he should claim first.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1897 on: March 22, 2019, 03:17:34 pm »

Glooble/Joth: If a cop is redirected by Garak, do they get "Your target is/is not Maquis/Mirror Universe/Changeling" or do they get "NAME is/is not Maquis/Mirror Universe/Changeling?"

And if the second, would the name be the correct name of who they actually targeted after the bun drive, or the name of the player they thought they targeted?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1898 on: March 22, 2019, 03:19:39 pm »

We should organize a bun drive before we decide on a lunch.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #1899 on: March 22, 2019, 03:21:22 pm »

Vote: MiX

Faust is on my suspicion list too. I'm cool with ash and UncleEddie. I don't have any feelings about claiming.

Suddenly I am an acceptable lynch? Ya liah.

When did your opinion flip of me?

Sorry, that was poor phrasing, I mean I'm cool with you guys, like we tight, like we town.
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