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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1575 on: March 15, 2019, 11:04:15 pm »

I think this is where we should focus for now. Glooble seemed to be off the MiX wagon entirely and against the faust votes. This is either some mad misdirection or these are probably not on shraeye's team.
I do not actually think this is enough to exonerate either of them - just thinking that the reason Glooble was killed were probably not either of these.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Night 2)
« Reply #1576 on: March 15, 2019, 11:25:37 pm »

I also jumped off the Mix wagon at a critical juncture - which if you think MiX is mafia is a pretty damning move.

So how do you feel about MiX?
MiX is likely to not be Maquis at the very least. Some of those huge blocks of information that he has presented seem to be very conclusion first, then figure out what evidence supports it, which jives with the hotblooded townie vibe. By playing as aggressively as he has I would not be surprised if MiX is loved, regardless of alignment.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1577 on: March 15, 2019, 11:55:20 pm »

NK analysis is absolutely important when shraeye is involved and it's clear his team killed glooble therefore glooble's kill tells us something about shraeye's team. I mean, do you think I'm making that up or just straight wrong?
I think this is where we should focus for now. Glooble seemed to be off the MiX wagon entirely and against the faust votes. This is either some mad misdirection or these are probably not on shraeye's team.
Glooble seemed moderately critical of UoS but not enough that I would think it would paint a target on his back.

Are you kidding?? Do you think I made up those post numbers????
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Night 2)
« Reply #1578 on: March 16, 2019, 02:25:48 am »

Okay, help me out then because I don't understand, what did you hope to learn in your reread?
Who shraeye's partners are.

And did you?
I think so.

No. You know what, that's bull. I asked you if you were looking for how partners (in more hilarious terms) and you said that isn't why anybody would possibly be looking at shraeye but it was. You're trying to discount my take on him and redirect to somebody else.

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It's not my fault if you express yourself ulclearly. Yes I am trying to discount your take. Your take is bullshit and I have disproven it. Not sure what you mean by redirecting. Where am I redirecting from? MiX? Then your scumread on me hinges on MiX being scum and you should be voting for him. Where am I redirecting to? I haven't even posted a case.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1579 on: March 16, 2019, 03:31:09 am »

Vote: WCD
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1580 on: March 16, 2019, 03:40:37 am »

Space, I have been known to attract votes from town as town in the past, so while that wagon looks great and it helped me vote Awaclus, I don't want to just lunch everyone on it until we got scum if there is a better lynch to be had
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1581 on: March 16, 2019, 03:43:14 am »

Space, I have been known to attract votes from town as town in the past, so while that wagon looks great and it helped me vote Awaclus, I don't want to just lunch everyone on it until we got scum if there is a better lynch to be had
Is there?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1582 on: March 16, 2019, 03:49:29 am »

Shraeye Read - Specifically looking at partners for now:

Day 1:

- Given the flips there is really not a lot to go on here. They sat on LL like all day and most people avoided it. Exceptions being Robz and Glooble, who have both flipped town.

- The other notable would be MiX - Personally, still TRing, but at the very least, not likely to be same skum as Shraeye.
Example is VC 1.8: LaLight (4): MiX, Shraeye, Glooble, Robz888

- It is also unlikely that EFHW(LL) is skum with MiX or Shraeye

- Day 1 ended with 7 unknown players on the Robz wagon [E!, WCD, Snow, Space, Chicken, Swan, Ashes]. There were also 5 other players not on Robz that are unknown [RaeRae, LL, Faust, Eddie, MiX]

- Not a huge leap to assume that one of Shraeye's partners lie within [E!, WCD, Snow, Space, Chicken, Swan, Ashes]. Would rather not speculate on more or equal to one player, but I think them just sitting on LL all day would suggest at least one.


Day 2:

- Shraeye starts off doing stuff, then ends on Awaclus at the end of them staying there for VC 2.6:
VC 2.6
MiX (4): raerae, Awaclus, chickenwarlord, ashersky
Awaclus (4): faust, WestCoastDidds, shraeye, Glooble
faust (1): UmbrageOfSnow
DatSwan (1): MiX
chickenwarlord (1): Uncleeurope

- Then they, move to MiX, and stay there for the remainder of the day:
VC 2.7
MiX (4): raerae, chickenwarlord, ashersky, shraeye
Awaclus (4): faust, WestCoastDidds, Glooble, SpaceAnemone
Glooble (1): EFHW
faust (5): 2.71828....., Awaclus, UmbrageOfSnow, MiX, UncleEurope

VC 2.8 Ė 12 hours to DL
MiX (4): raerae, chickenwarlord, ashersky, shraeye
Awaclus (4): faust, WestCoastDidds, Glooble, DatSwan
Glooble (1): EFHW
faust (4): 2.71828....., Awaclus, UmbrageOfSnow, MiX
Uncleeurope (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (1): Uncleeurope

VC 2.9 Ė 10 Hours to DL
MiX (5): raerae, chickenwarlord, ashersky, shraeye, WestCoastDidds,
Awaclus (3): faust, Glooble, DatSwan
Glooble (1): EFHW
faust (4): 2.71828....., Awaclus, UmbrageOfSnow, MiX
Uncleeurope (1): SpaceAnemone
SpaceAnemone (1): Uncleeurope


--------- The above vote count of 2.9 is the most important to me ------------

-We have Rae, Chicken Ashes, and Shraeye sitting on MiX the whole time. Then WCD jumps onto MiX here for 2.9 and chicken bails to Awaclus.
- The MiX wagon only has one known player on it, Skum!Shraeye.
-Everyone except for Chicken stays on MiX, and it def wasn't a for sure Awaclus lynch happening, so that would be really bold of any of them to do if MiX were to be skum Shraeye already on the wagon.

------This leads me to believe that based on Shraeye's flip that there is a saturation of skum in [Rae, Ashes, Chicken, WCD, MiX]. As the one to play chicken would of done so as either Shraeye or MiX's partner when they did... I am leaning Chicken for now. -----



Below is the remaining of the Vote Counts for the day. You will see that after Chicken moves, the only LCD they are followed by is MiX.

VC 2.10 Ė 1 Hour to DL
MiX (4): raerae, ashersky, shraeye, WestCoastDidds,
Awaclus (7): faust, Glooble, DatSwan, chickenwarlord, Uncleeurope, MiX, SpaceAnemone
Glooble (1): EFHW
faust (2): Awaclus, UmbrageOfSnow
chickenwarlord (1): 2.71828.....

VC 2.Final
MiX (4): raerae, ashersky, shraeye, WestCoastDidds,
Awaclus (8): faust, Glooble, DatSwan, chickenwarlord, Uncleeurope, MiX, SpaceAnemone, 2.71828.....
Glooble (1): EFHW
faust (2): Awaclus, UmbrageOfSnow


Sorry for the wall.
TLDR; Chicken is a good option. I don't think MiX is skum (but specifically, not with Shraeye). Reasons aside for now, even after the VCA, I am suspicious of Faust.

Vote: Chicken
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1583 on: March 16, 2019, 04:32:04 am »

Faust, thoughts on Chicken?

Swowl, thoughts on e?

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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1584 on: March 16, 2019, 04:48:42 am »

Faust, thoughts on Chicken?
I think he is decidedlz unlikely to be shraeye's partner. Other than that, could definitely be scum.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1585 on: March 16, 2019, 05:00:48 am »

Faust, thoughts on Chicken?
I think he is decidedlz unlikely to be shraeye's partner. Other than that, could definitely be scum.

Okay, I get the idea, but why decidedly?

Also, thoughts on WCD?

Also also, Vote: e
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1586 on: March 16, 2019, 05:03:34 am »

Faust, thoughts on Chicken?
I think he is decidedlz unlikely to be shraeye's partner. Other than that, could definitely be scum.

Okay, I get the idea, but why decidedly?
There is just zero interaction between the two. I think that is unlikely to happen.

Also, thoughts on WCD?
I'm withholding judgment until I see the results of the shraeye reread that she promised. But the longer that does not happen, the scummier she is.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1587 on: March 16, 2019, 05:05:40 am »

Faust, thoughts on Chicken?
I think he is decidedlz unlikely to be shraeye's partner. Other than that, could definitely be scum.

Okay, I get the idea, but why decidedly?
There is just zero interaction between the two. I think that is unlikely to happen if both are scum.

Also, thoughts on WCD?
I'm withholding judgment until I see the results of the shraeye reread that she promised. But the longer that does not happen, the scummier she is.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Night 2)
« Reply #1588 on: March 16, 2019, 06:50:55 am »


Apologies, I forgot I didn't clarify this: I looked at all Robz posts to see which one raerae was replying to, but after failing to find any I didn't look in-depth to see which one she was actually replying to, I simply found one that looked like she had replied to it. I don't think I could ever find it with 100% guarantee unless I was inside raerae's mind, in fact both posts (the one I thought she had replied to and the one she actually did) were similar in content so there wasn't much of a difference. Of course, I forgot that Robz is mcmc's brother and how that could lead raerae to say one's name while mentioning the other.

There, that's my defense on that thing.

Swan's case on chicken is confusing...and I agree with faust's idea of there being more interaction if chicken was scumbuddies with shraeye.

I've been incredibly lazy with rereads, sorry about that, but I think the simpliest way to explain Glooble's death is if EFHW was scum, tried to make a case on them, realized no one thought Glooble was scum and thus killed them off. But I haven't reread much, so maybe that'll change.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1589 on: March 16, 2019, 07:12:26 am »

Or maybe that scum team found Gloobie townie.

Shraeye even mentioned Gloobie as a town read.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1590 on: March 16, 2019, 07:22:17 am »

Also, thoughts on WCD?
I'm withholding judgment until I see the results of the shraeye reread that she promised. But the longer that does not happen, the scummier she is.

Apologies....I got sidelined by an high allergy count and subsequent sinus infection this week and the medicine makes me foggy. I will carve out time this weekend. Iíve been muddled and uninspired the past few days.

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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1591 on: March 16, 2019, 07:42:32 am »

Space, I have been known to attract votes from town as town in the past, so while that wagon looks great and it helped me vote Awaclus, I don't want to just lunch everyone on it until we got scum if there is a better lynch to be had
Is there?

Yes.

Vote: chicken
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 1)
« Reply #1592 on: March 16, 2019, 07:48:24 am »

I am just starting the reread, but holy cow....look at that list...

Hey DatSwan!

If I told you there was scum in {mcmcs, Glooble, Umbrage, Awaclus, Jimmmm}, would you think I was right or wrong?

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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1593 on: March 16, 2019, 09:24:05 am »

My Shra-eye reread:

So, I am super analog and take my notes old school. In this case, purple pen on green paper so this is more summary than quote heavy. Finishing up the re-read my first thought was...wowsers. We got lucky that he got killed because dude wasn't being lynched. Super townie town.

He had 107 posts, total, and only around 25 or so Day 2, so a rather large drop off. Only three people ever voted for him Raerae, Glooble, and Jimmmmm (all on D1).
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He spent a lot of time being annoyed that there was a wagon on e, and was especially annoyed by MiX's reasons for e (158). Then mcmc's reasons for e (294). Then everyone who has voted e (422, 505, 626. 636). Also annoyed with faust wagon.

No lynch talk from 217-293

Actively campaigns fro Ashersky lynch (620, 634, 666, 677, 687)

votes: Glooble (506), Asher (620), LL (737)
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Townreads are Eddie and Glooble, bothered by faust wagon.
Wants WCD (925, 1330), Chicken (925), EFHW (1259),  and Awaclus (998) to defend various points

votes: MiX (935), Awaclus (1091), MiX (1290)
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He interacted the least with Raerae, Space, and Chicken
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Okay....two thoughts about all of this are:
1. That list of folks he didn't interact with is SUPER interesting because he interacted a lot with lots of different people
2. He actively (and effectively?) campaigned against an e lynch and (to a lesser extent) a faust lynch.


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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1594 on: March 16, 2019, 09:24:44 am »


I am not quite ready to draw larger conclusions from it yet, but vote: Chicken for now

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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1595 on: March 16, 2019, 09:27:05 am »

Okay....two thoughts about all of this are:
1. That list of folks he didn't interact with is SUPER interesting because he interacted a lot with lots of different people
2. He actively (and effectively?) campaigned against an e lynch and (to a lesser extent) a faust lynch.
So... who do you think are his partners? Who do you think aren't?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1596 on: March 16, 2019, 09:34:52 am »

Okay....two thoughts about all of this are:
1. That list of folks he didn't interact with is SUPER interesting because he interacted a lot with lots of different people
2. He actively (and effectively?) campaigned against an e lynch and (to a lesser extent) a faust lynch.
So... who do you think are his partners? Who do you think aren't?

I'm a ruminator, so I need to think about it more.  Clarity usually happens in the shower or the gym.

His Ashersky campaign suggests that they aren't teammates.

I don't know much about his scum-play, but the lack of interaction with RR, Space, and Chicken definitely raises my suspicions, and his commitment to the anti-e-lynch campaign puts e on the list, too. 

I feel better about the former conclusions rather than the latter because campaigning to save someone who could be town seems like a good scum-trying-to-appear-town strat, and if e flipped scum it would look super bad for Shraeye having so fiercely defended him.

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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1597 on: March 16, 2019, 09:40:32 am »

What I am seeing in the reasoning targeting me is all fairly logical for Day 2. Just keep in mind that almost all of this applies to raerae except for leaving the MiX wagon.
When I flip town after yall lynch me, I want you to remember that.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Night 2)
« Reply #1598 on: March 16, 2019, 10:14:25 am »

Okay, help me out then because I don't understand, what did you hope to learn in your reread?
Who shraeye's partners are.

And did you?
I think so.

No. You know what, that's bull. I asked you if you were looking for how partners (in more hilarious terms) and you said that isn't why anybody would possibly be looking at shraeye but it was. You're trying to discount my take on him and redirect to somebody else.

Vote: faust
It's not my fault if you express yourself ulclearly. Yes I am trying to discount your take. Your take is bullshit and I have disproven it. Not sure what you mean by redirecting. Where am I redirecting from? MiX? Then your scumread on me hinges on MiX being scum and you should be voting for him. Where am I redirecting to? I haven't even posted a case.

I think I was clear but if you misinterpreted then I guess I wasn't. You certainly haven't disproven anything though as we don't have a flip to verify either of our theories. My original intent was to vote for one of glooble's scumreads but my secondary thought was to vote for whoever fought my theory the hardest or discounted it the most. That award goes to chicken currently for saying glooble had no feelings on MiX. I still think MiX is the right vote.

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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 3)
« Reply #1599 on: March 16, 2019, 10:15:11 am »

What I am seeing in the reasoning targeting me is all fairly logical for Day 2. Just keep in mind that almost all of this applies to raerae except for leaving the MiX wagon.
When I flip town after yall lynch me, I want you to remember that.
Vote: RaeRae

Good point. She is definitely on my radar now more than before. Chicken, do you want to make a case on her?
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