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Author Topic: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (GAME OVER, Maquis win!)  (Read 37761 times)

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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2075 on: March 24, 2019, 11:35:34 am »

Also Eddie.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2076 on: March 24, 2019, 12:02:06 pm »

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?
Not very likely to be scum with shraeye.

So who is?  Everybody keeps saying it couldn't possibly be MiX (I disagree), it can't be EFHW, it wasn't Awaclus.  Who is it then?  We're getting toward the shallow end of the pool.
Two of UoS, ashersky, Didds.

I’d probably throw space into that pool as well.

Unless I missed something.

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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2077 on: March 24, 2019, 12:13:31 pm »

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?
Not very likely to be scum with shraeye.

So who is?  Everybody keeps saying it couldn't possibly be MiX (I disagree), it can't be EFHW, it wasn't Awaclus.  Who is it then?  We're getting toward the shallow end of the pool.
Two of UoS, ashersky, Didds.

I’d probably throw space into that pool as well.

Unless I missed something.
Go ahead. You didn't miss anything. They're low on my list, though.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2078 on: March 24, 2019, 02:14:00 pm »

Also Eddie.

Do you think I am SKnot shraeye’s partnrr? Or both? Or neither?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2079 on: March 24, 2019, 02:20:46 pm »

Also Eddie.

Do you think I am the SK? Shraeye’s partner? Or both? Or neither?

Well that was a mess,

Fixed it.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2080 on: March 24, 2019, 02:43:12 pm »

Also Eddie.

Do you think I am SKnot shraeye’s partnrr? Or both? Or neither?
I don't know. You can't be both, obviously. You could be either or neither.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2081 on: March 24, 2019, 03:10:16 pm »

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?
Not very likely to be scum with shraeye.

So who is?  Everybody keeps saying it couldn't possibly be MiX (I disagree), it can't be EFHW, it wasn't Awaclus.  Who is it then?  We're getting toward the shallow end of the pool.
The pool isn't all that shallow. Why does it feel that way to you?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2082 on: March 24, 2019, 03:11:57 pm »

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?
Not very likely to be scum with shraeye.

So who is?  Everybody keeps saying it couldn't possibly be MiX (I disagree), it can't be EFHW, it wasn't Awaclus.  Who is it then?  We're getting toward the shallow end of the pool.
The pool isn't all that shallow. Why does it feel that way to you?

Do you think raerae's scum?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2083 on: March 24, 2019, 04:49:12 pm »

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?
Not very likely to be scum with shraeye.

So who is?  Everybody keeps saying it couldn't possibly be MiX (I disagree), it can't be EFHW, it wasn't Awaclus.  Who is it then?  We're getting toward the shallow end of the pool.
The pool isn't all that shallow. Why does it feel that way to you?

Do you think raerae's scum?
Not really, but I've been surprised lots of times so who knows.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2084 on: March 24, 2019, 06:30:03 pm »

Someone sane exists. Fortunate. What's your opinion on EFHW?
Not very likely to be scum with shraeye.

So who is?  Everybody keeps saying it couldn't possibly be MiX (I disagree), it can't be EFHW, it wasn't Awaclus.  Who is it then?  We're getting toward the shallow end of the pool.
The pool isn't all that shallow. Why does it feel that way to you?

Because if there are two teams we're down to 4 town.  I know I'm town, I have good feelings on 2.5 other people, bad feelings on <3, and everybody else is in this creepy area where I mostly don't trust them.  So, yeah, I'm not feeling great right now.  If you're comfortable then I guess I can adjust my reads. 

If there's a SK we're slightly better off but I'd rather plan for worst case scenario and be pleasantly surprised than assume SK and get ambushed with a team.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2085 on: March 24, 2019, 07:00:17 pm »

Interesting, so you have expanded your bounds past MiX?

Care to share one of those names?

Or have you already and I missed it?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2086 on: March 24, 2019, 07:13:42 pm »

Interesting, so you have expanded your bounds past MiX?

Care to share one of those names?

Or have you already and I missed it?

Later, my friend, later.  I think MiX is our best lynch today and I'd rather not derail that.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2087 on: March 24, 2019, 07:36:20 pm »

Interesting, so you have expanded your bounds past MiX?

Care to share one of those names?

Or have you already and I missed it?

Later, my friend, later.  I think MiX is our best lynch today and I'd rather not derail that.

Killing me is the biggest bore for today. I suggest EFHW or Didds, which one would you prefer? If neither, how about Space? These are my scumreads by the way.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2088 on: March 24, 2019, 07:45:55 pm »

Dear mods, when does Garak choose between Lightning Rod and Bus Driver?

When he uses the power.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2089 on: March 24, 2019, 08:10:14 pm »

Interesting, so you have expanded your bounds past MiX?

Care to share one of those names?

Or have you already and I missed it?

Later, my friend, later.  I think MiX is our best lynch today and I'd rather not derail that.

Killing me is the biggest bore for today. I suggest EFHW or Didds, which one would you prefer? If neither, how about Space? These are my scumreads by the way.

That's an odd set. You seem to be quite taken with my case on EFHW-or-maybe-WCD, and yet you decide to put me up there with them as a scumread? If you think we're the most likely three scum, I think you must have some confidence that at least, say, two of us are scum. Yet that case was made by me using my running-voting-state counter, which nobody else here seems to have made for themselves. I didn't have to post the running vote counts, nor did I have to point out the e wagon on multiple occasions, yet you think I'd do that to implicate my alleged scum-teammates?

Also, you're the only one to have parroted my "faust is marginally less likely to be scum" thing from yesterday, which seems odd if you think I'm scum and don't include him as a scumread.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2090 on: March 24, 2019, 08:11:25 pm »

Related point: today I'm not 100% sure I was correct in my faust assessment that MiX. It hinges on how likely Joth is to have named SK as the missing scums in the Ferengi QT under the various permutations of factions in the game and in the QT. When I think more about it, I'm not confident he knew in advance exactly how all the cases would go (see previous questioning of Joth by faust in-thread), so probably my assertion is on shaky ground at best.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2091 on: March 24, 2019, 08:15:01 pm »

Dear mods, when does Garak choose between Lightning Rod and Bus Driver?

When he uses the power.

Cool, that means my initial assumption was correct, and the assumption that EFHW and faust seemed to be working with was not. It's possible faust was just influenced by what EFHW had said, but it's also a slight partner indication between the two of them, since it's something that may have been discussed in a scum QT. I propose awarding a handful of scumpoints to one of them if the other flips scum.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2092 on: March 24, 2019, 11:14:19 pm »

Ok, sorry everyone for my opinions based on a faulty assumption, that I didn't realize I had made. I no longer think Garak must be scum.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2093 on: March 25, 2019, 01:50:48 am »

Dear mods, when does Garak choose between Lightning Rod and Bus Driver?

When he uses the power.

Cool, that means my initial assumption was correct, and the assumption that EFHW and faust seemed to be working with was not. It's possible faust was just influenced by what EFHW had said, but it's also a slight partner indication between the two of them, since it's something that may have been discussed in a scum QT. I propose awarding a handful of scumpoints to one of them if the other flips scum.
If we were scum, we have have simply asked the above question in the scum QT when the topic came up... so actually it makes us lesss likely scum.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2094 on: March 25, 2019, 05:05:08 am »

Interesting, so you have expanded your bounds past MiX?

Care to share one of those names?

Or have you already and I missed it?

Later, my friend, later.  I think MiX is our best lynch today and I'd rather not derail that.

Killing me is the biggest bore for today. I suggest EFHW or Didds, which one would you prefer? If neither, how about Space? These are my scumreads by the way.

That's an odd set. You seem to be quite taken with my case on EFHW-or-maybe-WCD, and yet you decide to put me up there with them as a scumread? If you think we're the most likely three scum, I think you must have some confidence that at least, say, two of us are scum. Yet that case was made by me using my running-voting-state counter, which nobody else here seems to have made for themselves. I didn't have to post the running vote counts, nor did I have to point out the e wagon on multiple occasions, yet you think I'd do that to implicate my alleged scum-teammates?

I believe that you're the most likely partner of both of them, and that you would be delighted to do that VCA if everyone in the wagon wasn't part of your team. Notice how you're the only person in both Robz and Awaclus' wagons that hasn't flipped, coupled that with the fact that shraeye was off both of them and it seems obvious that, since EFHW was also not on either wagon (but LL didn't really have the time to move his vote, but EFHW did on D2) that you're the only possible EFHW partner...if she's Maquis. For the same reason you're one of the few possible partners for Didds...if she's Maquis. I have no idea how to hunt for MU, pretty sure I do that by townreading 3 people and PoEing everyone else as scum? Well I have...exactly 3 townreads. So, yeah. And if neither EFHW and Didds are Maquis then you have a really strong incentive to post that VCA as Maquis, but I'm not so sure your VCAs are that alignment indicative...

TL;DR: You're scum in all three scenarios: EFHW is Maquis, Didds is Maquis, neither are Maquis. Well, just probably in the last two. But for sure in the first one...which leads me to

Vote: Space

PS: Others have used intermediate vote counts: me and Swan, at least.

Also, you're the only one to have parroted my "faust is marginally less likely to be scum" thing from yesterday, which seems odd if you think I'm scum and don't include him as a scumread.

It's true, why would I omit it or scumread faust for you saying it? It's a fact. And an irrelevent fact, at least for now.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2095 on: March 25, 2019, 05:13:36 am »

Good enough.

Vote: Space
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 1)
« Reply #2096 on: March 25, 2019, 05:18:15 am »

I was looking through some early Space posts. Look at this gem:

I'm approximately 70 posts behind in terms of reading, and I'm at a work party tonight. To avoid being completely useless, here's the fastest thing I can do:

No interest in lynching (townreads, people I think are not good D1 lynches, newbie)
3. LaLight
7. WestCoastDidds
8. SpaceAnemone
9. Shraeye
11. faust
12. ashersky
17. raerae
18. chickenwarlord

Little interest in lynching (feeling meh on, but happy about the fact they're posting stuff)
5. mcmcsalot
2. UmbrageOfSnow

Happy to go along with a lynch/have no opinion on (scumreads up to null people I don't have strong feelings about)
1. Jimmmmm
4. DatSwan
6. Glooble
10. MiX
13. 2.71828.....
14. Robz888
15. Awaclus
16. Uncleeurope

Things I will try to do before deadline:
1) Re-read everyone on the bottom list there.
2) Get the vote counter set up so I can try to post useful vote counts. The deadline is 1pm my time, which is totally civilised for me, so I should be here from 2-3 hours beforehand.
(coloring mine)
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2097 on: March 25, 2019, 05:19:15 am »

Sorry, missed coloring chicken. Was not meant to misrespresent stuff.
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2098 on: March 25, 2019, 05:46:28 am »

Good enough.

Vote: Space

L-2...? I think...?
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Re: RMM52: Deep Space Nine Mafia Redux (Day 4)
« Reply #2099 on: March 25, 2019, 05:47:50 am »

Good enough.

Vote: Space

L-2...? I think...?
Oh you are voting there as well. Funny how that is exactly the composition of the late D1 wagon on Space.
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