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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2075 on: February 20, 2019, 11:20:36 pm »

I assume Arishipshape is still off the table?

In that case it looks like Joseph, Silver, Debatepro, or me.

With the elimination of Faust per raerae and the elimination of EFHW by shraeye, so who are you people leaning towards? I would like to get a handle on his before it becomes too close to deadline.

Honestly any of those four other than myself could work for me, (obviously) with preference towards Joseph, (obviously).
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2076 on: February 20, 2019, 11:22:15 pm »

I'm not jumping to EFHW.  Because that still is one believable claim.

I'm willing to go elsewhere but you'll have to take out faust on your own then.  Also, you're being painfully unhelpful. 
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2077 on: February 20, 2019, 11:23:03 pm »

Unhelpful how?  By saying that EFHW's claim is super believable?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2078 on: February 20, 2019, 11:23:22 pm »

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2079 on: February 20, 2019, 11:25:15 pm »

Unhelpful how?  By saying that EFHW's claim is super believable?

By not providing any other names.  I've asked and you're being all aloof and you aren't tall, dark, or handsome enough to pull that off.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2080 on: February 20, 2019, 11:26:57 pm »

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2081 on: February 20, 2019, 11:29:12 pm »

I assume Arishipshape is still off the table?

In that case it looks like Joseph, Silver, Debatepro, or me.

With the elimination of Faust per raerae and the elimination of EFHW by shraeye, so who are you people leaning towards? I would like to get a handle on his before it becomes too close to deadline.

Honestly any of those four other than myself could work for me, (obviously) with preference towards Joseph, (obviously).

Yes, as far as I'm concerned Ari is still off the table.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2082 on: February 20, 2019, 11:30:48 pm »

But, you're right.  I'm not putting down names or votes because (a) uncertainty is painful and (b) I didn't want to state my second-surest guess and have people go 'Yup, Yup, Yup' and pile on a la ari.

I've mentioned that Joseph is my other scumread.  That's my backup plan.  There are other lynches I would begrudgingly hammer, but none other that I'd actively pursue.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2083 on: February 20, 2019, 11:33:17 pm »

EFHW, what are your thoughts on UncleEurope?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2084 on: February 20, 2019, 11:37:56 pm »

Okay, since my vote is on Joseph already ima take my nap, see you people later on.

Again, won’t be very available from 12-4 EST (where the deadline is at 5 EST)

And that hour in between might involve me driving a lot, and being less active anyway. (Since I’ve been told posting and driving has negative consequences).
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2085 on: February 20, 2019, 11:44:27 pm »

But, you're right.  I'm not putting down names or votes because (a) uncertainty is painful and (b) I didn't want to state my second-surest guess and have people go 'Yup, Yup, Yup' and pile on a la ari.

I've mentioned that Joseph is my other scumread.  That's my backup plan.  There are other lynches I would begrudgingly hammer, but none other that I'd actively pursue.

I don't hate it.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2086 on: February 21, 2019, 01:17:14 am »

And actually, I wanted to ask: silver, Debate, could you summarize why you are voting for me?
Can you put that in a way that might actually convince someone?

I find your play in this game not helpful and how you play. This is illustrated in "non-town-aligned-dialog-preferencing" . Reflecting is a repeating technique you use to bounce what someone says back at them, reversals are taking the data and drawing the opposite conclusion, and I find it not helpful. With a little training anyone can do it and in this game it's not helping.

Make a strong case for someone else. The case is so conditional and filled with caveats against EFHW that it doesn't even make her flinch, which i find suspect.

PPE: Raerae - oh this is perfect... one second.
So you can link to exactly one post from me that you find scummy. Cool.

My case on EFHW is not strong because I don't think EFHW is scum.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2087 on: February 21, 2019, 01:18:16 am »

Coming to think of it, it is very convenient for you to claim that EFHW is scum, because it also allows you to disregard her results on eddie and me. That's three people you can scumread who I suspect are all town.
I don't claim that EFHW is scum.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #2088 on: February 21, 2019, 01:20:26 am »

Faust hammer 45 minutes ahead of inteades after a cop claim could be skummy. Weird at the minimum.
I said I will hammer then if you don't show up. You did show up.

You know, this really really rubbed me the wrong way. I get faust sussed out that ds had a fakeclaim, but I feel like if some other player did this, people would immediately give them a billion scumpoints.
Well you're wrong.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2089 on: February 21, 2019, 01:21:22 am »

I also give raerae IC status.

Faust, that is literally the most teeerrrrible defense of somebody I've read in this thread.  That looks like you had an agenda(Joseph is town), went back and picked up random things Joseph has done, and them constructed weak narratives to explain why these posts are town.  This looks like a C- research paper if I was grading generously.
Bullshit, you are just too blinded by your confirmation bais. I have lots of experience with Joseph and I know that my case is good.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2090 on: February 21, 2019, 01:22:18 am »

I'm saying that I personally suspect Joseph is scum.  But whether that opinion is right or wrong, one would be crazy to call Joseph's actions in this game "towny".  So towny that they deserve a defense from a not-Joseph person. 
Uh, look at me, anyone who disagrees with me is crazy!

Fuck you.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2091 on: February 21, 2019, 01:24:11 am »

Yeah, it's definitely not as helpful as engaging would be. 

But I think it makes him townier though, I feel like he sees himself as a dead man walking.  If ari is scum and faust is town, I think scumari (with townfaust) jummmpps at the chance that suspicion/lynch-potential is swinging off him and somewhere else.  This ari is not re-energized scum excited for a mislynch.
He said he would vote for me. But you're right, ari is probably town.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2092 on: February 21, 2019, 01:27:04 am »

I am not going to join on Joseph. Honestly if the choice is Joseph or me, probably rather lynch me so there is at least a chance that you will see the light and turn this game around. You can run this game in the ground but I will not be a part of it.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2093 on: February 21, 2019, 02:27:18 am »

Joseph is not towny, no no no (he could still be town, but I don't think so).  Faust looks even worse for abandoning logic to try to say so.

I revote: faust
FFS things like this from the IC will lose us the game
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2094 on: February 21, 2019, 02:29:51 am »

Request: Vote count
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2095 on: February 21, 2019, 02:31:50 am »

I'll be on/off around all day
But I won't be voting for me or faust
I'm town and faust has literally no reason to white knight me so much this game, so must be town, and right now the only town with some sense
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2096 on: February 21, 2019, 02:32:48 am »

mmmm, no-lynch is not a great idea today.

If we mislynch, then it's all win-or-lose tomorrow.

If we nolynch, it's still all win-or-lose tomorrow.

It's gonna be hard either way; best strategy is to lynch scum today :)


Is anybody else on the chopping block?  Yeah, but not you, and not EFHW.  DebatePro deserves to be safe too, but I'm only IC-saving you and EFHW today.

As usual, I don't get your math.  If we mislynch today we'll have two town dead tomorrow.  If we no lynch today we only have one town dead tomorrow.
The theory is that because there's fewer town, should be easier to find a scum tomorrow
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2097 on: February 21, 2019, 02:36:53 am »

I'm saying that I personally suspect Joseph is scum.  But whether that opinion is right or wrong, one would be crazy to call Joseph's actions in this game "towny".  So towny that they deserve a defense from a not-Joseph person. 

But faust did give that defense. In a fashion that stunk to high heaven.
You don't suspect me as scum yet you want to lynch me?
If we lose, it is going to be dim comments like this that have caused it

I have made opinions in this game, and people have just argued against them
I'm VT and it's not my fault that everyone I initially scum read is now conf!town
Honestly I don't like being VT because you know nothing, and this is probably the most engaged I've been as a VT recently
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2098 on: February 21, 2019, 02:37:59 am »

mmmm, no-lynch is not a great idea today.

If we mislynch, then it's all win-or-lose tomorrow.

If we nolynch, it's still all win-or-lose tomorrow.

It's gonna be hard either way; best strategy is to lynch scum today :)


Is anybody else on the chopping block?  Yeah, but not you, and not EFHW.  DebatePro deserves to be safe too, but I'm only IC-saving you and EFHW today.

As usual, I don't get your math.  If we mislynch today we'll have two town dead tomorrow.  If we no lynch today we only have one town dead tomorrow.


But then tomorrow's result is 5T v 3S  or 4T v 3S.  Both of them have similar outcomes.  If any other mislynch happens (-2 town) then scum wins the endgame.  The only meager benefit that 5T has is we can no-lynch one more time.  Near the endgame, and without a chance of a doc-save or other shenanigans, it's not really worth it.

Okay, so let's do not-faust.  Surely my opinion has to count for something.
Good idea.
This is the IC I trust to help us find scum
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #2099 on: February 21, 2019, 02:41:51 am »

I'm not dead, I'm sorry for the lack of VCs, I'll be around to do the flip at deadline.

Sorry for the lack of availability, VC in the morning.
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