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[EFHW]

                                       Vote Count 3.4.1

faust (3): Debatepro, shraeye, silverspawn
silverspawn (2): faust, EFHW
EFHW (1): raerae
Debatepro (1): Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (1): Uncleeurope

Not Voting (1): arishipshape

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Day 3 ends February 21, 2019, 04:00:00 pm.

Too busy to post tonight. Will be on before deadline. I picked silver because of POE.

[Uncleeurope]

There is a chunk of time tomorrow near deadline I will be unavailable. Like around 3 hours of no anything an hour before deadline. And some more stuff after that even... I might be around like a few minutes before though. It is hard to say.

Really was hoping we could have figured this out before that became an issue.

[Debatepro]

Faust hammer 45 minutes ahead of inteades after a cop claim could be skummy. Weird at the minimum.

I said I will hammer then if you don't show up. You did show up.

You know, this really really rubbed me the wrong way. I get faust sussed out that ds had a fakeclaim, but I feel like if some other player did this, people would immediately give them a billion scumpoints. I mean replace faust's name with debatepro's in that exchange above. I'd be toast. I consider this a kind of dark magic and I don't like it. I'm probably not moving my vote sans a super compelling case or directive from on high.

I'll be around a bit tomorrow, just to make sure I don't miss a directive or compelling case.

[shraeye]

I also give raerae IC status.

Faust, that is literally the most teeerrrrible defense of somebody I've read in this thread.  That looks like you had an agenda(Joseph is town), went back and picked up random things Joseph has done, and them constructed weak narratives to explain why these posts are town.  This looks like a C- research paper if I was grading generously.

[shraeye]

Joseph is not towny, no no no (he could still be town, but I don't think so).  Faust looks even worse for abandoning logic to try to say so.

I revote: faust

[raerae]

Faust hammer 45 minutes ahead of inteades after a cop claim could be skummy. Weird at the minimum.

I said I will hammer then if you don't show up. You did show up.

You know, this really really rubbed me the wrong way. I get faust sussed out that ds had a fakeclaim, but I feel like if some other player did this, people would immediately give them a billion scumpoints. I mean replace faust's name with debatepro's in that exchange above. I'd be toast. I consider this a kind of dark magic and I don't like it. I'm probably not moving my vote sans a super compelling case or directive from on high.

I'll be around a bit tomorrow, just to make sure I don't miss a directive or compelling case.

I would have done the same thing as faust.  That claim smelled REAL bad, I don't fault him for that and wouldn't fault anybody else either.

[Uncleeurope]

Joseph is not towny, no no no (he could still be town, but I don't think so).  Faust looks even worse for abandoning logic to try to say so.

I revote: faust

Well, I am much more comfortable with a Joseph kill than a Faust one here, I don’t suppose you are willing to lean that direction considering your suspicion of Joseph?

[raerae]

Joseph is not towny, no no no (he could still be town, but I don't think so).  Faust looks even worse for abandoning logic to try to say so.

I revote: faust

So you're upset at faust for a weak case on somebody who is townie but isn't but faust but joseph but what the actual biscuits are you saying?

[shraeye]

I'm saying that I personally suspect Joseph is scum.  But whether that opinion is right or wrong, one would be crazy to call Joseph's actions in this game "towny".  So towny that they deserve a defense from a not-Joseph person. 

But faust did give that defense. In a fashion that stunk to high heaven.

[arishipshape]

I'm going to bed. I should be here for the deadline. If I won't, I'll place my Faust vote in the morning. Unless somebody else makes a more convincing case against someone not Faust.

[Debatepro]

Faust hammer 45 minutes ahead of inteades after a cop claim could be skummy. Weird at the minimum.

I said I will hammer then if you don't show up. You did show up.

You know, this really really rubbed me the wrong way. I get faust sussed out that ds had a fakeclaim, but I feel like if some other player did this, people would immediately give them a billion scumpoints. I mean replace faust's name with debatepro's in that exchange above. I'd be toast. I consider this a kind of dark magic and I don't like it. I'm probably not moving my vote sans a super compelling case or directive from on high.

I'll be around a bit tomorrow, just to make sure I don't miss a directive or compelling case.

I would have done the same thing as faust.  That claim smelled REAL bad, I don't fault him for that and wouldn't fault anybody else either.

I don't think it would have hurt to wait 45 minutes. Worst case scenario (Monday morning quarterback) no lynch and we're +1 town or we lynch Ari who hasn't been terribly helpful.

[raerae]

Okay, Ari refusing to listen or help or do anything is absurd.  His blind support of a faust lynch is outrageous and infuriating. 

shraeye, what do you think about it?

[arishipshape]

Okay, Ari refusing to listen or help or do anything is absurd.  His blind support of a faust lynch is outrageous and infuriating. 

shraeye, what do you think about it?

Hardly blind. There have been many arguments made against Faust’s defenses, and I have thought him scummy all game. Care to defend him? Feel free, but I’m going to be for real this tune.

[arishipshape]

Time

[shraeye]

Yeah, it's definitely not as helpful as engaging would be. 

But I think it makes him townier though, I feel like he sees himself as a dead man walking.  If ari is scum and faust is town, I think scumari (with townfaust) jummmpps at the chance that suspicion/lynch-potential is swinging off him and somewhere else.  This ari is not re-energized scum excited for a mislynch.

[arishipshape]

The entire last sentence got awfully autocorrected. I’m going to BED for real this TIME. Sorry if that caused confusion.

[shraeye]

I’m going to be for real

Sorry Ms. Jackson, he is for real!!

[raerae]

The entire last sentence got awfully autocorrected. I’m going to BED for real this TIME. Sorry if that caused confusion.

I HAVE DEFENDED HIM.  Have you even read the thread??

[raerae]

Yeah, it's definitely not as helpful as engaging would be. 

But I think it makes him townier though, I feel like he sees himself as a dead man walking.  If ari is scum and faust is town, I think scumari (with townfaust) jummmpps at the chance that suspicion/lynch-potential is swinging off him and somewhere else.  This ari is not re-energized scum excited for a mislynch.

So is anybody else on the chopping block?  Is there anyway to get you off faust?  We can put him back on tomorrow but I really, really think you're making a mistake.  Is a No Lynch a real bad idea today?

[shraeye]

mmmm, no-lynch is not a great idea today.

If we mislynch, then it's all win-or-lose tomorrow.

If we nolynch, it's still all win-or-lose tomorrow.

It's gonna be hard either way; best strategy is to lynch scum today


Is anybody else on the chopping block?  Yeah, but not you, and not EFHW.  DebatePro deserves to be safe too, but I'm only IC-saving you and EFHW today.

[raerae]

mmmm, no-lynch is not a great idea today.

If we mislynch, then it's all win-or-lose tomorrow.

If we nolynch, it's still all win-or-lose tomorrow.

It's gonna be hard either way; best strategy is to lynch scum today


Is anybody else on the chopping block?  Yeah, but not you, and not EFHW.  DebatePro deserves to be safe too, but I'm only IC-saving you and EFHW today.

As usual, I don't get your math.  If we mislynch today we'll have two town dead tomorrow.  If we no lynch today we only have one town dead tomorrow.

[Debatepro]

I’m going to be for real

Sorry Ms. Jackson, he is for real!!

Nice. He want born yet, he won’t get the reference.

[shraeye]

mmmm, no-lynch is not a great idea today.

If we mislynch, then it's all win-or-lose tomorrow.

If we nolynch, it's still all win-or-lose tomorrow.

It's gonna be hard either way; best strategy is to lynch scum today


Is anybody else on the chopping block?  Yeah, but not you, and not EFHW.  DebatePro deserves to be safe too, but I'm only IC-saving you and EFHW today.

As usual, I don't get your math.  If we mislynch today we'll have two town dead tomorrow.  If we no lynch today we only have one town dead tomorrow.

But then tomorrow's result is 5T v 3S  or 4T v 3S.  Both of them have similar outcomes.  If any other mislynch happens (-2 town) then scum wins the endgame.  The only meager benefit that 5T has is we can no-lynch one more time.  Near the endgame, and without a chance of a doc-save or other shenanigans, it's not really worth it.

[raerae]

mmmm, no-lynch is not a great idea today.

If we mislynch, then it's all win-or-lose tomorrow.

If we nolynch, it's still all win-or-lose tomorrow.

It's gonna be hard either way; best strategy is to lynch scum today


Is anybody else on the chopping block?  Yeah, but not you, and not EFHW.  DebatePro deserves to be safe too, but I'm only IC-saving you and EFHW today.

As usual, I don't get your math.  If we mislynch today we'll have two town dead tomorrow.  If we no lynch today we only have one town dead tomorrow.

But then tomorrow's result is 5T v 3S  or 4T v 3S.  Both of them have similar outcomes.  If any other mislynch happens (-2 town) then scum wins the endgame.  The only meager benefit that 5T has is we can no-lynch one more time.  Near the endgame, and without a chance of a doc-save or other shenanigans, it's not really worth it.

Okay, so let's do not-faust.  Surely my opinion has to count for something.

[shraeye]

I'm not jumping to EFHW.  Because that still is one believable claim.