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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1900 on: February 18, 2019, 03:53:03 pm »

When did you pick up on MM breadcrumb?
Whenever the first person pointed it out today.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1901 on: February 18, 2019, 03:53:42 pm »

Ofc all of that also applies to eddie. He should get the same update downward as I did.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1902 on: February 18, 2019, 05:06:29 pm »

Hold on.  For all the speculating, why has a somewhat obvious solution been very overlooked?  I'm not if it's right to blame people for the overlooking, but if faust is willing to entertain daychat then I'm surprised he didn't consider this...
What is the obvious solution? 4 scum?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1903 on: February 18, 2019, 07:57:46 pm »

As a matter of fact, the reason why you didn't see any motion on me was because VTs don't tend to have a lot going on at night.

This does seem scummy... Vote: Silver

That at least was enough for silver to overtake someone (yet to be determined) in my trio.

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Also wondering why that was scummy.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1904 on: February 18, 2019, 09:13:27 pm »

Hold on.  For all the speculating, why has a somewhat obvious solution been very overlooked?  I'm not if it's right to blame people for the overlooking, but if faust is willing to entertain daychat then I'm surprised he didn't consider this...
What is the obvious solution? 4 scum?

I'm not sure if it's definitely what's happening.  But a lot of crazy notions have been entertained, and it seems weird that that one hasn't. 
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1905 on: February 18, 2019, 09:17:07 pm »

As a matter of fact, the reason why you didn't see any motion on me was because VTs don't tend to have a lot going on at night.

This does seem scummy... Vote: Silver

That at least was enough for silver to overtake someone (yet to be determined) in my trio.

L-2

I think anyway, that was essentially me attempting to formulate a vote count in my head based on Debatepro’s input.

Yeah, you gotta explain this a lot more.  That's a heavy vote for what taste like lite reasons.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1906 on: February 18, 2019, 09:20:30 pm »

I'm taking faust off my scum list.  This game he has been nothing if not absolute and, as scum, he's got no reason to change.  His change of heart on EFHW's claim reads sincere to me.  I'm not sold on the silver lynch and won't be voting there today unless somebody has some real damning evidence.  Ari is still off the table for me too.  Anybody got any better ideas?  Can I interest anybody in EFHW?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1907 on: February 18, 2019, 09:35:29 pm »

What do you mean by "This game he has been nothing if not absolute and, as scum, he's got no reason to change."?  I don't understand.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1908 on: February 18, 2019, 09:53:15 pm »

What do you mean by "This game he has been nothing if not absolute and, as scum, he's got no reason to change."?  I don't understand.

He was ON mail-mi yesterday, D1 he didn't waiver, he isn't being swayed by arguments, he's the only one changing his own mind.  In other words, I don't think me saying EFHW's claim was shadetastic was what changed his mind.  If he were scum he would have stuck to his story of her claim being townie.  I'm the only one voting for her and she's not getting much suspicion from anybody else so it isn't like this is a bandwagon he's jumping to, I believe he changed his own mind.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1909 on: February 18, 2019, 10:20:55 pm »

Yeah, sorry, kind of had to run shortly after I posted that and wasn’t too clear.

It seemed like stating obvious information in an attempt to reinforce a belief into the general populous that he is town. It seemed manipulative. Like, we didn’t need to be reminded that the result on him happened.

Maybe it’s just me. I don’t know.

And don’t take my vote to mean I am all in on a SS kill either. I am just trying to get a feel for people’s stances on some other people.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1910 on: February 18, 2019, 10:25:31 pm »

I'm taking faust off my scum list.  This game he has been nothing if not absolute and, as scum, he's got no reason to change.  His change of heart on EFHW's claim reads sincere to me.  I'm not sold on the silver lynch and won't be voting there today unless somebody has some real damning evidence.  Ari is still off the table for me too.  Anybody got any better ideas?  Can I interest anybody in EFHW?

What about Joseph?


PlyrClaimVoting 3.22OneTwoThree (#1752)
DebateproVTfaustArifaustEFHW Joseph
AriNeap.EnblrNullfaustUncleEurope...
faustVTSilverArisilverDebatepro
SilverVTNullArifaustJoseph
UncleEuropeVTAriAriDebateproJoseph
JosephVTAriAriRaeraeDebatepro
raeraeVTEFHWEFHWUncleEuropefaust
EFHWMotion.DtctrJosephAriJosephsilver
ShraeyeMason2faustAriJosephsilver (#1760)
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1911 on: February 18, 2019, 10:48:22 pm »


Tell me why you're a no-go on EFHW first.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1912 on: February 18, 2019, 10:53:44 pm »

I wouldn't take too much stock in the "scumteam list", Debate.  I wanted to get those opinions out there so we could shake things up and move past them if necessary.

I'm not saying ari is definitely town, but I think it's important to remember that EVERYBODY (save raerae) put him on their list.  I find that a bit suspicious, and he's off my #1 slot by a long shot.

Second example, faust is on my radar now.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1913 on: February 18, 2019, 10:59:23 pm »

I wouldn't take too much stock in the "scumteam list", Debate.  I wanted to get those opinions out there so we could shake things up and move past them if necessary.

I'm not saying ari is definitely town, but I think it's important to remember that EVERYBODY (save raerae) put him on their list.  I find that a bit suspicious, and he's off my #1 slot by a long shot.

Second example, faust is on my radar now.

Your radar busted.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1914 on: February 18, 2019, 11:09:59 pm »

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1915 on: February 18, 2019, 11:49:18 pm »

Tell me why you're a no-go on EFHW first.

EFHW is not a no-go, I just flipped her and Joseph in my rankings and how to I reflect that without making it appear like I am leaving information out? So I crossed her out, probably should have written it like: Joseph (.6)/EFHW (.4).

I find the whole discussion around EFHW and with faust very confusing. In summary,
  • I am persuaded to make a case for how she could fake her case to prove if i'm honestly ignorant or scum ignorant
  • faust says she wouldn't fake her claim because she would be caught
  • then faust votes for EFHW without stating reason in 1835,
  • 1862 faust votes for SS
  • bunch of speculation about setup/balance,
  • Raerea question faust for flip-flopping on EFHW
  • he makes unusual claim in 1883,
  • which she already answered in 1779 & reposted in 1886,
  • 1887 EFHW votes for SS
  • Raerae removes faust from list 1909

I find the constant flip flopping, feinting, sublet moves, etc. to not be pro-town. If one is pro-town and they have a case to make, then my recommendation is you lay it out clearly with reasons and references. I seem to recall someone asking for that a lot in d1 and d2.




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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1916 on: February 19, 2019, 12:48:02 am »

If one is pro-town and they have a case to make, then my recommendation is you lay it out clearly with reasons and references. I seem to recall someone asking for that a lot in d1 and d2.
Look, dude, if I was sure who is scum here, I would lay out a case. I'm not. I think I have made my thought process on EFHW very transparent.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1917 on: February 19, 2019, 12:50:14 am »

  • which she already answered in 1779 & reposted in 1886,
I don't know if you think that answer should sway me? I mean obviously that is what she would say as either town or scum.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1918 on: February 19, 2019, 12:51:42 am »

Hey, ari, since you are no longer the top lynch candidate, would you care to, you know, play the game?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1919 on: February 19, 2019, 02:24:56 am »

I wouldn't take too much stock in the "scumteam list", Debate.  I wanted to get those opinions out there so we could shake things up and move past them if necessary.

I'm not saying ari is definitely town, but I think it's important to remember that EVERYBODY (save raerae) put him on their list.  I find that a bit suspicious, and he's off my #1 slot by a long shot.

Second example, faust is on my radar now.
Almost everyone put ari top too.
Literally no one believes him, and I reckon he's scum and scum have given up on him and just bussing
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1920 on: February 19, 2019, 02:26:56 am »

Hold on.  For all the speculating, why has a somewhat obvious solution been very overlooked?  I'm not if it's right to blame people for the overlooking, but if faust is willing to entertain daychat then I'm surprised he didn't consider this...
What is the obvious solution? 4 scum?
It's possible but not seen it in a 13 player game from memory
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1921 on: February 19, 2019, 02:28:11 am »

I'm taking faust off my scum list.  This game he has been nothing if not absolute and, as scum, he's got no reason to change.  His change of heart on EFHW's claim reads sincere to me.  I'm not sold on the silver lynch and won't be voting there today unless somebody has some real damning evidence.  Ari is still off the table for me too.  Anybody got any better ideas?  Can I interest anybody in EFHW?

What about Joseph?


PlyrClaimVoting 3.22OneTwoThree (#1752)
DebateproVTfaustArifaustEFHW Joseph
AriNeap.EnblrNullfaustUncleEurope...
faustVTSilverArisilverDebatepro
SilverVTNullArifaustJoseph
UncleEuropeVTAriAriDebateproJoseph
JosephVTAriAriRaeraeDebatepro
raeraeVTEFHWEFHWUncleEuropefaust
EFHWMotion.DtctrJosephAriJosephsilver
ShraeyeMason2faustAriJosephsilver (#1760)
What about no? Also being deliberately deceptive by putting my name in red
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1922 on: February 19, 2019, 02:30:42 am »

Let's play a game:

Step 1: Take every player remaining in the game and rank their ability to detect a breadcrumbs based on your previous experience playing with them, reputation, experience, etc. Who would be first, second, or third? Who would be best at manipulating and leveraging that information to push a mislynch? What would that look like?

Step 2: Review timeline
Debatepro:
#1215 Debatepro Votes: Mail-mi because mail-mi thinks debatepro is a "great person" which debatepro sees as buddying.

Mail-mi:
#1216 and #1238 MM posts that he has a town!read on raerae.

Faust:
#1244 Questions Mail-Mi while pushing DS.
#1246 Questions mail-mi's list that has raerae & SS as slight town.
#1252 In response to MM, codes 50 of his messages in under 20 minutes. <- Impressive
#1256 Questions MM for "i'll be honest".
#1258 Votes: Mail-mi

Step 3: Don't forget about that list in Step 1. Who was more likely to pick up on mail-mi's breadcrumb, push mislynch, and cover their tracks?
This sounds like a great way to waste more time by getting everyone to compile more pointless lists......
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1923 on: February 19, 2019, 02:31:53 am »

I could be tempted by EFHW, but for now I want to Vote: Debatepro
Feels like scum just wanting to burn time with pointless lists and suggesting bad wagons
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1924 on: February 19, 2019, 04:08:48 am »

I could be tempted by EFHW, but for now I want to Vote: Debatepro
Feels like scum just wanting to burn time with pointless lists and suggesting bad wagons

This is the laziest post ever. "Bad wagon" because it's on you?
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