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[Debatepro]

I don't. I targeted silver and saw no motion.

What does this mean, SS didn’t do anything in the night?

[Uncleeurope]

I don't. I targeted silver and saw no motion.

What does this mean, SS didn’t do anything in the night?

And nothing was done to them.

[raerae]

VT, the most exciting of roles.

[Debatepro]

I don't. I targeted silver and saw no motion.

What does this mean, SS didn’t do anything in the night?

And nothing was done to them.

Assuming everything is true does that confirm him not scum?

[silverspawn]

Ok, so we have the following roles confirmed

Mason
Mason
Neapolitan
VT
VT

And the following roles claimed:

Motion Detector
Neapolitan Enabler
6 * VT

I think there's no way ari's role isn't accurate, since he claimed it before the neapolitan flipped, so there was no way for him to know that a neap existed. The thing with that role is that it's a pro scum role, regardles of whether he's scum or town, so his alignment doesn't really affect balance. That means we're looking at a setup of

2 Masons & Neapolitan VS Neapolitan Enabler & ?

OR

2 Masons & Neapolitan & Motion Detector VS Neapolitan Enabler & ?


Neapolitan is very strong. Two masons are pretty strong. But it's a closed setup, which is generally good for scum. Still... my own feeling would be that this tilts pro town. We were pretty unlucky with claims, but just imagine Neap survives for two days and only one Mason gets killed. We'd be looking at 4-5 ICs right there.

But then, scum could easily have some power of their own. Like Roleblocker or Rolecop. Probably not too much to infer based on balance.

Another thing, though: if I look at a setup of only two masons plus  Neapolitan, that feels... unelegant. Like, the only thing that differentiates Neapolitan from Cop now is that it returns "non-VT" on the masons... who are very hard to mislynch. Eh. It feels more right with a motion detector. Though I have to admit that it feels the most elegant with all 5 PRs being town.

So, my biggest takeaway from this is that if ari flips scum, EFHW is very likely town. The seond biggest is some town cred to ari. But not enough to make up for his scumminess.

[silverspawn]

I don't. I targeted silver and saw no motion.

What does this mean, SS didn’t do anything in the night?

And nothing was done to them.

Assuming everything is true does that confirm him not scum?

no, it just confirms that I didn't do the kill N2, just as the result on eddie only confirms that he didn't do the kill N1. Assuming three scum and random NK, there's only a 1/3 chance for any one of them to do the NK even if they're scum. Well, actually, it's a bit more if you also consider other scum power roles, since they would also reveal motion.

[silverspawn]

That reminds me @EFHW: is "no motion" distinct from "No result?" (or whatever you'd get if you were blocked)

[Debatepro]

Ok, so we have the following roles confirmed
Mason
Mason
Neapolitan
VT
VT

And the following roles claimed:
Motion Detector
Neapolitan Enabler
6 * VT

Since we know there are only 5 VT in the game, two are confirmed, and 6 are claimed, doesn't that mean that 3 of the 6 are lying and must be the scumteam?

[faust]

Ok, so we have the following roles confirmed
Mason
Mason
Neapolitan
VT
VT

And the following roles claimed:
Motion Detector
Neapolitan Enabler
6 * VT

Since we know there are only 5 VT in the game, two are confirmed, and 6 are claimed, doesn't that mean that 3 of the 6 are lying and must be the scumteam?

We don't know that there are only 5 VTs in the game. We know that there are at least 5 VTs.

[faust]

Vote: EFHW

[faust]

I do not think that the setup is balanced with 2 investigative roles + Masons. Add in that we have no evidence of scum having a Roleblocker. We had 2 claimed investigative roles, and somehow EFHW still got a result, how does that happen?

[silverspawn]

Add in that we have no evidence of scum having a Roleblocker. We had 2 claimed investigative roles, and somehow EFHW still got a result, how does that happen?

Yeah you're right, the roleblocker doesn't make sense.

They could still have... um... *looks at list*

ok there aren't that many possibilities. Rolecop is the most obvious one, but it's not super useful. But I think the argument from beauty outweighs the argument from balance.

[raerae]

Faust, now's a great time. Why do suspect a Strongman?

[raerae]

Joseph, since you were so eager to see claims, what's this list say to you?

[EFHW]

That reminds me @EFHW: is "no motion" distinct from "No result?" (or whatever you'd get if you were blocked)

Yes.

[silverspawn]

Faust, now's a great time. Why do suspect a Strongman?

That's obvious; scum went right after the strongest roles without fear or watcher or doctor

[raerae]

Faust, now's a great time. Why do suspect a Strongman?

That's obvious; scum went right after the strongest roles without fear or watcher or doctor

Faust! You've changed your name! That won't make rereads confusing at all.

[EFHW]

Faust, now's a great time. Why do suspect a Strongman?

That's obvious; scum went right after the strongest roles without fear or watcher or doctor

Faust! You've changed your name! That won't make rereads confusing at all.

faust already said as much when he made the original statement.

[Joseph2302]

Joseph, since you were so eager to see claims, what's this list say to you?

Not so much useful
I was hoping there was another PR so we could know that someone was lying. Shame

[Joseph2302]

Faust, now's a great time. Why do suspect a Strongman?

That's obvious; scum went right after the strongest roles without fear or watcher or doctor

Well I guess if ari is scum, then scum new there were neopolitans in the game. And masons were revealed early too
So less likely to be the other roles
But strongman seems likely too, they must have some PR and no evidence of anything like a RB or redirector

[raerae]

Faust, now's a great time. Why do suspect a Strongman?

That's obvious; scum went right after the strongest roles without fear or watcher or doctor

Faust! You've changed your name! That won't make rereads confusing at all.

faust already said as much when he made the original statement.

No, he didn't. When I most recently asked him he said he'd rather not talk about it. When he made his original statement I read it as, "Pssst, I'm the doc!" So I didn't go after it. I asked today and he said he'd rather not talk about (again, me thinking he's breadcrumbing otherwise why not discuss it). He claimed VT now so there's no reason for him not to discuss it.

[EFHW]

Probably not important right now, but killing the IC in a closed setup is bold. I expect that scum has Strongman powers.

[raerae]

Probably not important right now, but killing the IC in a closed setup is bold. I expect that scum has Strongman powers.

Then why say he didn't want to talk about it today? If like to hear from him and you seem eager for me to let this go, care to explain?

[silverspawn]

Faust, now's a great time. Why do suspect a Strongman?

That's obvious; scum went right after the strongest roles without fear or watcher or doctor

Well I guess if ari is scum, then scum new there were neopolitans in the game. And masons were revealed early too
So less likely to be the other roles
But strongman seems likely too, they must have some PR and no evidence of anything like a RB or redirector

Strongman is very unlikely because it has zero mechanical effect. It would be useful only insofar as it changes scum's NK choices. whch might be quite a bit, I'm not saying it would be weak, but it would just be very unusual to put in a strongman that mechanically doesn't do anything.

[EFHW]

Probably not important right now, but killing the IC in a closed setup is bold. I expect that scum has Strongman powers.

Then why say he didn't want to talk about it today? If like to hear from him and you seem eager for me to let this go, care to explain?

I don't know about today.