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[EFHW]

I do NOT buy your reasoning for Ari/Joseph aren't a team, EFHW

Yeah, I could also see their partner being content with their being inactive.

[EFHW]

Some interesting facts: there are two possible 3-person scumteams that involve no bussing at all:

DebatePro/raerae/silver

EFHW/faust/UncleEurope (interestingly, this is raerae's list...hmm)

Do you think there is a chance that raerae is in fact scum?

I can't envision a world where that is true

Some kind of redirection would make it possible, but I didn't see any role like that in the OP.

[EFHW]

I think we should avoid the obvious lynches and try to find the sleeper/vet on the team. I say that because I think Debate and Eddie are town. For me, this means voting silver.

Why do you think that? Which are the obvious lynches?

Obvious lynches are ari, Joseph, Debate. Obvious because there is lots anyone can point to that is scummy about them.

[EFHW]

I think it is best to talk about this now.

EFHW never mentions Eddie (remember her supposed N1 target who she has a favorable result on) at all during D2 until the point where shraeye and raerae are both voting for him. This strikes me as very, very strange.

Why now?

My plan was to say something by the end of day if it hadn't come up naturally.

[faust]

I think it is best to talk about this now.

EFHW never mentions Eddie (remember her supposed N1 target who she has a favorable result on) at all during D2 until the point where shraeye and raerae are both voting for him. This strikes me as very, very strange.

Why now?

My plan was to say something by the end of day if it hadn't come up naturally.

I figured it was better to not spread doubt about your claim so that it is more likely that scum would kill you. But now you are seeking to steer us away from the ari lynch on shaky reasoning, I felt like I needed to say something.

[shraeye]

Ari and Joseph seems very classically scummy in two different ways.  Flailscummy, and lurker scummy.

Silver, debatePro, Uncle have all made me suspicious at times, but they defend themselves so honestly.  Everytime I start to suspect them, a bit of reading convinces me " no, they're town, you know it you feel it."

Raerae is town.

EFHWs claim is so risky as scum, that just seems like too big of a risk.  I think if EFHW is lying then Uncle is her partner.  I'd be so surprised if EFHW risked that just to save a town and try to buy cred.

Then Fausty Faust.  I'm still believing he's town.  Less sure than EFHW, way less sure than on raerae.




So, where's scum? The 2 solid bets +one suspicious?  The entire suspicious trio?  1 solid bet, 1 suspciius, plus Faust/EFHW??

[faust]

I think we should avoid the obvious lynches and try to find the sleeper/vet on the team. I say that because I think Debate and Eddie are town. For me, this means voting silver.

Why do you think that? Which are the obvious lynches?

Obvious lynches are ari, Joseph, Debate. Obvious because there is lots anyone can point to that is scummy about them.

You still didn't answer why these would be bad lynches.

[raerae]

I think we should avoid the obvious lynches and try to find the sleeper/vet on the team. I say that because I think Debate and Eddie are town. For me, this means voting silver.

Why do you think that? Which are the obvious lynches?

Obvious lynches are ari, Joseph, Debate. Obvious because there is lots anyone can point to that is scummy about them.

Today is basically the first day Joseph has been put on the table. He's recovering minor suspicion and nobody's even put together a case or voted for him yet. I would strongly disagree he's an obvious lunch.

[shraeye]

I think it is best to talk about this now.

EFHW never mentions Eddie (remember her supposed N1 target who she has a favorable result on) at all during D2 until the point where shraeye and raerae are both voting for him. This strikes me as very, very strange.

Why now?

My plan was to say something by the end of day if it hadn't come up naturally.

I figured it was better to not spread doubt about your claim so that it is more likely that scum would kill you. But now you are seeking to steer us away from the ari lynch on shaky reasoning, I felt like I needed to say something.

I, independently, have also been considering just letting Ari simmer and to lynch somebody else.  So it's possible the reasons/motive isn't flimsy, but is just something you disagree with.

[faust]

I think it is best to talk about this now.

EFHW never mentions Eddie (remember her supposed N1 target who she has a favorable result on) at all during D2 until the point where shraeye and raerae are both voting for him. This strikes me as very, very strange.

Why now?

My plan was to say something by the end of day if it hadn't come up naturally.

I figured it was better to not spread doubt about your claim so that it is more likely that scum would kill you. But now you are seeking to steer us away from the ari lynch on shaky reasoning, I felt like I needed to say something.

I, independently, have also been considering just letting Ari simmer and to lynch somebody else.  So it's possible the reasons/motive isn't flimsy, but is just something you disagree with.

Yeah, sure. But it rings my alarm bells enough to make me want to discuss this. I think lynching ari is good now for confirmation. Plus otherwise scum can always just let ari do the kill if he's a dead man walking, which in turn means EFHW's results would be less useful... so from her particularly this seems strange.

[shraeye]

But on the flip side, if Ari does the kill then it's not in anyway empowered (since I believe his claim)

[EFHW]

I think we should avoid the obvious lynches and try to find the sleeper/vet on the team. I say that because I think Debate and Eddie are town. For me, this means voting silver.

Why do you think that? Which are the obvious lynches?

Obvious lynches are ari, Joseph, Debate. Obvious because there is lots anyone can point to that is scummy about them.

Today is basically the first day Joseph has been put on the table. He's recovering minor suspicion and nobody's even put together a case or voted for him yet. I would strongly disagree he's an obvious lunch.

He appeared on 4 people's lists, 5 if we include your putting him in your top 4. There are obvious things that make him scummy.

PPE 3

[faust]

But on the flip side, if Ari does the kill then it's not in anyway empowered (since I believe his claim)

Yeah but what empowering do they need? It's quite unlikely that town has more PRs than what has been claimed so far - if EFHW is telling the truth, that is.

[shraeye]

Vote: faust

[EFHW]

I think it is best to talk about this now.

EFHW never mentions Eddie (remember her supposed N1 target who she has a favorable result on) at all during D2 until the point where shraeye and raerae are both voting for him. This strikes me as very, very strange.

Why now?

My plan was to say something by the end of day if it hadn't come up naturally.

I figured it was better to not spread doubt about your claim so that it is more likely that scum would kill you. But now you are seeking to steer us away from the ari lynch on shaky reasoning, I felt like I needed to say something.

I, independently, have also been considering just letting Ari simmer and to lynch somebody else.  So it's possible the reasons/motive isn't flimsy, but is just something you disagree with.

Yeah, sure. But it rings my alarm bells enough to make me want to discuss this. I think lynching ari is good now for confirmation. Plus otherwise scum can always just let ari do the kill if he's a dead man walking, which in turn means EFHW's results would be less useful... so from her particularly this seems strange.

This doesn't make sense to me. ari is scummy. But he's brand new and could be town. He really could. How does my role figure in? The chances of my role being useful are pretty small anyway.

[EFHW]

I do NOT buy your reasoning for Ari/Joseph aren't a team, EFHW

Yeah, I could also see their partner being content with their being inactive.

Sorry, I should be nicer.

[EFHW]

I think it is best to talk about this now.

EFHW never mentions Eddie (remember her supposed N1 target who she has a favorable result on) at all during D2 until the point where shraeye and raerae are both voting for him. This strikes me as very, very strange.

Why now?

My plan was to say something by the end of day if it hadn't come up naturally.

I figured it was better to not spread doubt about your claim so that it is more likely that scum would kill you. But now you are seeking to steer us away from the ari lynch on shaky reasoning, I felt like I needed to say something.

What? Why did you want scum to kill me?

[EFHW]

I think we should avoid the obvious lynches and try to find the sleeper/vet on the team. I say that because I think Debate and Eddie are town. For me, this means voting silver.

Why do you think that? Which are the obvious lynches?

Obvious lynches are ari, Joseph, Debate. Obvious because there is lots anyone can point to that is scummy about them.

You still didn't answer why these would be bad lynches.

Because I can envision a world in which they are town.

[faust]

I think it is best to talk about this now.

EFHW never mentions Eddie (remember her supposed N1 target who she has a favorable result on) at all during D2 until the point where shraeye and raerae are both voting for him. This strikes me as very, very strange.

Why now?

My plan was to say something by the end of day if it hadn't come up naturally.

I figured it was better to not spread doubt about your claim so that it is more likely that scum would kill you. But now you are seeking to steer us away from the ari lynch on shaky reasoning, I felt like I needed to say something.

What? Why did you want scum to kill me?

So we would be sure that you are town.

[shraeye]

So, it seems like now is a nice time to claim.  EFHW and raerae have a chance to disagree on that decision, if they can make me believe their opinion.

[EFHW]

So, it seems like now is a nice time to claim.  EFHW and raerae have a chance to disagree on that decision, if they can make me believe their opinion.

I'm fine with it.

[shraeye]

If raerae is good, I'll set the order.

[Joseph2302]

Raerae- I went off the thought of lynching raerae yesterday, because I thought Datswan was scum. Their interactions yesterday always struck me as scum/town

What do you think about mail-mi's supposed result on raerae?

What supposed result?
Clearly I missed it, can someone post it again please?

You seriously missed it?? Did anybody answer this?  There was a lot about this; I'll link mail-mi's breadcrumbs.  AND I'll link the 3 people discussing it specifically on Day3.  I won't link all the other day3 discussion around it

He mentions 3 times that either (A) he had a scumread on raerae, but it's gone (she didn't change what she was doing) or that (B) he was looking for scumminess, but exempting raerae

Then raerae humorously called them loaves, instead of breadcrumbs:

DebatePro made a big analysis about why he missed the breadcrumbs:

plus a followup

And a discussion about whether EFHW did or did not pick up on them as well.

So, Joseph.  what are your thoughts on this?

Well if mail-mi got a result of town on raerae, that's enough to believe they're town, at least for now

[faust]

Vote: faust

I actually felt that I was handling the EFHW situation in an explicitly townie manner. Maybe I should not have said something after all.

[faust]

Well if mail-mi got a result of town on raerae, that's enough to believe they're town, at least for now

Why only for now?