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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1725 on: February 16, 2019, 03:16:55 am »

ari, faust, Joseph
Great list. Ari and the two people who seem to find ari the scummiest

Naturally that must be the scum team.......

your jump on him right now was frankly really scummy. We're about to massclaim, there's not really a chance we're lynching right now. this felt mostly like signaling to me.
Signalling what?

signaling "I wanted to lynch him, too!" for when he flips scum and we do wagon analysis

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1726 on: February 16, 2019, 03:52:16 am »

So, I have not finished my reread yet, but here's something.

ari, silver, Debatepro

Though I'm not sure that those three actually make sense as a scumteam.
Debatepro is the towniest town that ever graced a town with his towniness. He constantly gives information that would absolutely box him into a nasty corner as scum, and reads newbie town to me.

Why does everyone think i'm scum?? I'm legitimately confused. No-one will explain their case against me (except for that brief excerpt on my "fake" emotion) and it's just being treated as common fact that i'm scum.
Well this comment is going to make my read interesting
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1727 on: February 16, 2019, 03:57:50 am »

So my top 3 scum reads are:

Ari - I feel like this has been covered. The role seems scummy and the gameplay since has been too
Raerae- I went off the thought of lynching raerae yesterday, because I thought Datswan was scum. Their interactions yesterday always struck me as scum/town
Debatepro- similar to what Uncle said, they've been very defensive of their actions, which is often a newbie!scum trait
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1728 on: February 16, 2019, 03:59:47 am »

Oh and faust would be my top town read. So not sure why they're so high up everyone's scum read list? Is it more than the stupid "you're alive, so must be scum" argument?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1729 on: February 16, 2019, 05:05:28 am »

Raerae- I went off the thought of lynching raerae yesterday, because I thought Datswan was scum. Their interactions yesterday always struck me as scum/town
What do you think about mail-mi's supposed result on raerae?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1730 on: February 16, 2019, 06:23:46 am »

Debatepro- similar to what Uncle said, they've been very defensive of their actions, which is often a newbie!scum trait
How exactly does a newb.town act when their name pops up on people’s list? Act like they don’t give a sh!t and try to flush out scum? Hmmm. I’d like to read some of your other games. Can you tell me, besides this one, when was the last time you flipped scum?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1731 on: February 16, 2019, 07:31:06 am »

Debatepro- similar to what Uncle said, they've been very defensive of their actions, which is often a newbie!scum trait
How exactly does a newb.town act when their name pops up on people’s list? Act like they don’t give a sh!t and try to flush out scum? Hmmm. I’d like to read some of your other games. Can you tell me, besides this one, when was the last time you flipped scum?
Are you going to answer my questions at some point?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1732 on: February 16, 2019, 07:56:41 am »

DebatePro, why are you thinking that you've moved up my scum-list?
And this one.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1733 on: February 16, 2019, 07:57:59 am »

DebatePro, why are you thinking that you've moved up my scum-list?

#1689 - Which i wished i read before posting #1690 less than two minutes later. It was late, I was tired and worked up all at the same time. I probably would have flipped Joseph to .6 and EFHW to .4, but what can you do.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1734 on: February 16, 2019, 08:14:09 am »

Raerae- I went off the thought of lynching raerae yesterday, because I thought Datswan was scum. Their interactions yesterday always struck me as scum/town
What do you think about mail-mi's supposed result on raerae?
What supposed result?
Clearly I missed it, can someone post it again please?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1735 on: February 16, 2019, 08:14:31 am »

I'm currently doing a reread. Will share more later, but for now, in the light of this:
Not to mention that scum tends to bus to much, as I've said many times.
I want to show exhibit A:

So let's see.

Strong Town Read:  Debatepro, arishipshape

Mild Town Read: EFHW, MiX

Null: faust, mail-mi, Uncleeurope, DatSwan, Joseph2302, shraeye

Mild scum: raerae, LaLight
What conclusion are we supposed to draw from this?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1736 on: February 16, 2019, 08:26:22 am »

DebatePro: Ari, faust, EFHW
Debatepro (when you have the time): Walk me through how it happens that scum!EFHW claims a Motion Detector result on town!Eddie.

This is what I said earlier:
I think the "evidence" is much better than yours which is an assertion you have a PR and that eddie is town. If scum!efhw, you would already know eddie is town, if eddie is scum, why would he argue with you. The probability that someone had a PR and targeted eddie at the same time you did in N1 is so low, especially since you even factored in the town had two masons into the equation. You can take the risk of asserting it the PR in this case.

For my position, see #1724 which I say it was a blunder and stupid to call out EFHW and I clearly don't understand how the PR works.

I'm also not going to get into a technical discussion with you about how a PR works, can be used, advantages and disadvantages of those choices. Seems like it would only benefit scum to twist my lack of understanding in the one of two mis-lynches they need to win. As just an apprentice wizard, I yield.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1737 on: February 16, 2019, 09:25:51 am »

Lack of understanding doesn't equate to scumminess. 

It's still worth it to discuss the PR and your thoughts.  Right now, people are left flipping a coin on whether it's willful ignorance or honest ignorance.  Why not lay out your thoughts and help people see that it's honest, if it is in fact honest?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1738 on: February 16, 2019, 09:46:39 am »

Lack of understanding doesn't equate to scumminess. 

It's still worth it to discuss the PR and your thoughts.  Right now, people are left flipping a coin on whether it's willful ignorance or honest ignorance.  Why not lay out your thoughts and help people see that it's honest, if it is in fact honest?

Mason makes claim, confirmed, 2 town have PR.

After that moment, and reasonably, how many more town have a power role?
What is the probability they are the motion detector?
What is the probability a townie has an action on Eddie in N1?
What is the probability eddie is town over scum?
Who would pick an action on eddie at that point in the game? I wouldn’t I can think of 3 or 4 other players.

Take all those together, there is little risk in EFHW claiming motion detector on Eddie.

If eddie is town, he won’t dispute it her result. He get’s to be town.

If eddie is scum, he won’t dispute her claim because it would prove he is scum.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #1739 on: February 16, 2019, 09:50:59 am »

I'm currently doing a reread. Will share more later, but for now, in the light of this:
Not to mention that scum tends to bus to much, as I've said many times.
I want to show exhibit A:

So let's see.

Strong Town Read:  Debatepro, arishipshape

Mild Town Read: EFHW, MiX

Null: faust, mail-mi, Uncleeurope, DatSwan, Joseph2302, shraeye

Mild scum: raerae, LaLight
What conclusion are we supposed to draw from this?
silver does not like to bus as scum. In his D1 reads, we have 3 people who are still unconfirmed as townreads, whereas with the exception of MiX all townies who have flipped so far are in his null-to-scum range. That seems like a reads list from scum!silver.

(Also the three listed as town there are the scummiest other players in my opinion.)
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1740 on: February 16, 2019, 09:53:58 am »

You're having it both ways. If you believe me that I don't like to bus as scum, you have to give me towncred for the case on ariship. If you don't, you can't give me scum cred for this reads lists. Which one is it?

But really, this is just a day one reads list, it means very little. The only read that has remained is the townread on debatepro. Obviously I changed my mind on ariship.

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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1741 on: February 16, 2019, 09:59:48 am »

Lack of understanding doesn't equate to scumminess. 

It's still worth it to discuss the PR and your thoughts.  Right now, people are left flipping a coin on whether it's willful ignorance or honest ignorance.  Why not lay out your thoughts and help people see that it's honest, if it is in fact honest?

Mason makes claim, confirmed, 2 town have PR.

After that moment, and reasonably, how many more town have a power role?
What is the probability they are the motion detector?
What is the probability a townie has an action on Eddie in N1?
What is the probability eddie is town over scum?
Who would pick an action on eddie at that point in the game? I wouldn’t I can think of 3 or 4 other players.

Take all those together, there is little risk in EFHW claiming motion detector on Eddie.

If eddie is town, he won’t dispute it her result. He get’s to be town.

If eddie is scum, he won’t dispute her claim because it would prove he is scum.
But what benefit does EFHW draw from this claim?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1742 on: February 16, 2019, 11:56:40 am »

Lack of understanding doesn't equate to scumminess. 

It's still worth it to discuss the PR and your thoughts.  Right now, people are left flipping a coin on whether it's willful ignorance or honest ignorance.  Why not lay out your thoughts and help people see that it's honest, if it is in fact honest?
But what benefit does EFHW draw from this claim?

If she were scum and made the above play, she would pass as Town?
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1743 on: February 16, 2019, 12:09:29 pm »

Lack of understanding doesn't equate to scumminess. 

It's still worth it to discuss the PR and your thoughts.  Right now, people are left flipping a coin on whether it's willful ignorance or honest ignorance.  Why not lay out your thoughts and help people see that it's honest, if it is in fact honest?
But what benefit does EFHW draw from this claim?

If she were scum and made the above play, she would pass as Town?
A while, but questions would start to pop up the longer she stayed alive. The big problem with these kinds of claims is you're expected to die.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1744 on: February 16, 2019, 01:44:54 pm »

Lack of understanding doesn't equate to scumminess. 

It's still worth it to discuss the PR and your thoughts.  Right now, people are left flipping a coin on whether it's willful ignorance or honest ignorance.  Why not lay out your thoughts and help people see that it's honest, if it is in fact honest?
But what benefit does EFHW draw from this claim?

If she were scum and made the above play, she would pass as Town?
A while, but questions would start to pop up the longer she stayed alive. The big problem with these kinds of claims is you're expected to die.

So why did she claim? She wasn't under pressure and the question was simply, "Why no Uncle?" It wasn't a natural claim.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1745 on: February 16, 2019, 03:40:57 pm »

It’s Rae, EFHW, and Shrae right?  It would be good to get the reads by EOD today US. It’s got to be getting late for anyone in a euro time zone. Xoxoxo
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1746 on: February 16, 2019, 04:13:24 pm »

Lack of understanding doesn't equate to scumminess. 

It's still worth it to discuss the PR and your thoughts.  Right now, people are left flipping a coin on whether it's willful ignorance or honest ignorance.  Why not lay out your thoughts and help people see that it's honest, if it is in fact honest?
But what benefit does EFHW draw from this claim?

If she were scum and made the above play, she would pass as Town?
A while, but questions would start to pop up the longer she stayed alive. The big problem with these kinds of claims is you're expected to die.

So why did she claim? She wasn't under pressure and the question was simply, "Why no Uncle?" It wasn't a natural claim.
Well, the IC was throwing his weight behind a lynch of a player she had good reason to believe to be town. Combined with the fact that Motion Detector is not generally a very useful role... I mean I can see it.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1747 on: February 16, 2019, 04:39:46 pm »

It’s Rae, EFHW, and Shrae right?  It would be good to get the reads by EOD today US. It’s got to be getting late for anyone in a euro time zone. Xoxoxo

Sorry, didn't realize I was up.

Scum: EFHW, Uncle, increasingly faust, still don't love Joseph

Everybody falls vaguely under town-esque or scum-lite.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1748 on: February 16, 2019, 06:53:00 pm »

ari and Debatepro are scummy as heck, but they are new and therefore hard to read. Debatepro is probably town.

If it was a role in this game, I would say Joseph seems like a survivor. He doesn't seem to care one bit who is scummy or who gets lynched. Since it isn't, I'd say that attitude is more consistent with scum.

That leaves Eddie, faust and silver. Eddie and silver have very clean games. faust has done some outrageous stuff, but he has such good explanations, I think of him as having a clean game as well. I have nothing to pin on any of them.

My worry is that we have a faust/silver/X team.

So I'll go with ari/Joseph/silver, keeping options open on faust.
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Re: M121: Philosophers Mafia Mafia (Day 3)
« Reply #1749 on: February 16, 2019, 08:56:06 pm »

As an apprentice wizard, if being a motion detector not very useful, why would one expect to die?

Combined with the fact that Motion Detector is not generally a very useful role...

But what benefit does EFHW draw from this claim?
If she were scum and made the above play, she would pass as Town?
A while, but questions would start to pop up the longer she stayed alive. The big problem with these kinds of claims is you're expected to die.
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