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[arishipshape]

Real quick reads list before shraeye does his thing. I've put people in buckets but in no particular order. I've got some very disorganized buckets.

Townie:
shraeye
faust
silver
ari

Middlings:
EFHW
mail-mi
Eddie
Debate

Scummy:
DS
Joseph

Your buckets seem to not include MiX, may he rest in peace. I would personally put him in the "townie" bucket.

[raerae]

Real quick reads list before shraeye does his thing. I've put people in buckets but in no particular order. I've got some very disorganized buckets.

Townie:
shraeye
faust
silver
ari

Middlings:
EFHW
mail-mi
Eddie
Debate

Scummy:
DS
Joseph

Your buckets seem to not include MiX, may he rest in peace. I would personally put him in the "townie" bucket.

It doesn't include me or LL either. #whoops #lol #scumslip

[mail-mi]

So I haven't really been following, but didn't ari make some big post near the end of day 1 why his (her) read was changing on MiX? I can see that as pushing a mislynch and is a good place for my (albeit unhelpful) vote here: vote: ari

Couldn't you look it up first? He did the opposite.

Ah oops I misremembered unvote.

Ok so I should have some actual time tonight, finally. I'm gonna make sure I get to this.

[Joseph2302]

Real quick reads list before shraeye does his thing. I've put people in buckets but in no particular order. I've got some very disorganized buckets.

Townie:
shraeye
faust
silver
ari

Middlings:
EFHW
mail-mi
Eddie
Debate

Scummy:
DS
Joseph

Interesting.
So you think both me and DS are scummy?
That's interesting. Because I think both you and DS are scummy
Based on the way this day has gone, DS more

[Joseph2302]

Vote: Datswan

[Swowl]

So faust is voting me because I didn't answer something quick enough, EFHW is voting me because I made a "weak case" (no case on me just that I made a weak case), Ari is voting me because MiX skum read me and LL at the end of Day 1 so that means I obviously must be skum (sarcasm), and Joseph because... they find me skummy.

I am confused as to how my wagon has formed so quickly, and without real reason that has merit to it. I guess I will have to go back and try to approach things from a different angle as clearly no one is interested in EFHW right now.

Vote: Ari

Primarily because I don't really have much of an option here, but also because they are the wagon that was running prior to the weak ass one that currently sits on me.

[raerae]

Real quick reads list before shraeye does his thing. I've put people in buckets but in no particular order. I've got some very disorganized buckets.

Townie:
shraeye
faust
silver
ari

Middlings:
EFHW
mail-mi
Eddie
Debate

Scummy:
DS
Joseph

Interesting.
So you think both me and DS are scummy?
That's interesting. Because I think both you and DS are scummy
Based on the way this day has gone, DS more

That's a lie. You found me scummy yesterday too. Don't say "based on how the day has gone" like you had a different opinion yesterday.

[EFHW]

No, you made a terrible case. As in scummily misinterpreting events and trying to set up raerae as the next lynch.

[Swowl]

No, you made a terrible case. As in scummily misinterpreting events and trying to set up raerae as the next lynch.

1) The legitimacy of a case is arguably the least important factor regarding reasons to lynch anyone in any game (but you knew that already).

2) There is nothing skummy about "misinterpreting events". I don't know what the answers are to the puzzle. I am trying to put the pieces together to the best of my ability with the information I have at this point in time. The opinions I come to at the end of this - create my case. Everyone on this site (and I assume in the world) is more often wrong than they are correct - that is how the game works (but you knew that already).

3) It does NOT make sense that you are arguing I am trying to set Rae up for the next lynch. I am trying to set them up for the next lynch...after what? The only two other people I mentioned were you and Ari. If either of you flip as Town... as my case is predicated on 2 of the 3 of you being skum... my case kind of goes out the window.

---- To spell it out - If I think it is skummy that EFHW/Ari voting patterns suggest that one of you could be partners with Rae... Then one of EFHW/Ari needs to be skum in order for me to pursue my case tomorrow - Not the other way around.

At the bare, bare minimum you could attempt to argue that if one of you were to be lynched and then flip town I could try to argue that "the other one and Rae must be skum together, since the third player was town". But again, you are aware that I (or pretty much anyone) would never push that idea as skum because.... well it is skummy af.

The other option is of course that one of the three of you are lynched and flip over as skum. In which case... well idk, I guess I stick with my gut, but at that point I probably don't wake up the next day anyways - so it doesn't really matter.

You have no case on me because there is no case on me. You are just either being lazy or you are being skummy. Obviously, my opinion is the latter - but on the off chance I am wrong, and that you are one of the more experienced players in this game - I invite you to try harder.

[raerae]

Let's pump those breaks and wait for shraeye, team, we don't need a lunch before he gets back.

[mail-mi]

hello, I am here for the next few minutes, at least. I will go reread a few pages and see if I can figure out what exactly is going on here.

[EFHW]

No, you made a terrible case. As in scummily misinterpreting events and trying to set up raerae as the next lynch.

1) The legitimacy of a case is arguably the least important factor regarding reasons to lynch anyone in any game (but you knew that already).

I don't know that already. I vote people for making scummy cases all the time. Not all bad cases, just the ones that ignore obvious things and play up meaningless things as scummy.

It's true you weren't setting up raerae's lynch as connected to mine. I guess it would be better described as the "alternative" lynch.

[EFHW]

You have no case on me because there is no case on me. You are just either being lazy or you are being skummy. Obviously, my opinion is the latter - but on the off chance I am wrong, and that you are one of the more experienced players in this game - I invite you to try harder.

I'm not making a case on you. I'm reacting to your willingness to post a misleading case on me.

[EFHW]

This is not a case.  But I reread DatSwan. Here is what I noticed.

1. Day 1 he votes Dylan/mail-mi early and stays on almost all day. He questions raerae for her mail-mi vote and then leaves mail-mi to vote her, after she unvoted mail-mi for increased effort and after having spent the the first half of the day swearing by raerae's towniness. Never answers questions about what about the previous page and 1/2 led to the 180 on raerae. Doesn't come back. Day 2 acts like it is obvious to everyone that raerae is scummy.

2. Keeping things to himself. About Debatepro in particular at 341, and Eddie, silver and LL in that same post as well. Then doesn't answer the question about his raerae vote D1 and D2 again refuses to answer that question at 1162.

3. Is null on me until partway through Day 2, then suddenly thinks I'm scummy.

Make up your own minds. I don't know how many of these things are scummy. I can see a scum narrative for being mysterious with "reasons," like Galzria has done recently, but there isn't really a scum narrative for changing his opinions like he has. Or it's non-ideal scum play, at least.

One could argue that his case on me is non-ideal scum play as well, since it is so easily refuted on so many details. It's still anti-town at best.

[Debatepro]

Vote: Mail-me because (s)he thinks I am a "great person", which (s)he can't possibly know.

PPE: 1

[mail-mi]

...and right after I posted that my mom called me in for dinner.

MiX (7): Debatepro, shraeye, raerae, mail-mi, LaLight, EFHW, Faust
EFHW (2): Uncleeurope, MiX
raerae (2): Joseph2302, DatSwan
mail-mi (1): silverspawn

Not Voting (1): Arishipshape

So here's the wagons with all the people I know are town. I don't think it's raerae, so I'm looking for at least 1 scum in {Debatepro, EFHW, faust}. I had a slight scumread on faust during my inital catch up, and I think I'm willing to go back to that. I have a paper to write tonight so I can't go do a detailed reread, but I am going to go read through day 2 again. I would be comfortable lynching/voting for all 3 of them, at this point.

[mail-mi]

Vote: Mail-me because (s)he thinks I am a "great person", which (s)he can't possibly know.

PPE: 1

...I hope this is a joke. Also I'm a he

[EFHW]

I don't think on/off wagon is a useful distinction for scumhunting today.

Agree; my loud-mouthness probably has ruined that distinction fairly well.  It was equally easy to agree or disagree with me for legitimate reasons; looking at people's individual reasoning would still be useful, but just saying "MiX was town, scum was on it" or "it looked like a dangerous position, scum was off it" doesn't really apply.

Both of these.

[Debatepro]

Vote: Mail-me because he thinks I am a "great person", which he can't possibly know.

...I hope this is a joke. Also I'm a he

I am not joking. 

[shraeye]

So faust is voting me because I didn't answer something quick enough, EFHW is voting me because I made a "weak case" (no case on me just that I made a weak case), Ari is voting me because MiX skum read me and LL at the end of Day 1 so that means I obviously must be skum (sarcasm), and Joseph because... they find me skummy.

I am confused as to how my wagon has formed so quickly, and without real reason that has merit to it. I guess I will have to go back and try to approach things from a different angle as clearly no one is interested in EFHW right now.

Vote: Ari

Primarily because I don't really have much of an option here, but also because they are the wagon that was running prior to the weak ass one that currently sits on me.

booooo.


I think that's L-1, so triple booooo!  Seriously, first person to unvote gets a popsicle.  No need to force any claims right now.

[shraeye]

Right; mail-mi unvoted; missed that.  So popsicle for mail-mi.  But it was a double-pack...so....second one is up for grabs.

[raerae]

I am not ignoring this - I am also not answering it now. A lot has happened between now and then and I think it is best to wait before my reasons are known.

I'm pretty sure we're over this whole "I'm keeping my reads secret for reasons I'm definitely never going discuss later."

Can you just answer this now?  Being coy just isn't becoming of anybody this late in the day.

[shraeye]

Right, and DebatePro moved his vote.......I'm running out of popsicles.

[Uncleeurope]

Right, and DebatePro moved his vote.......I'm running out of popsicles.

Basically what we need right now is a vote count.

[raerae]

Right, and DebatePro moved his vote.......I'm running out of popsicles.

Basically what we need right now is a vote count.

You wanna unvote just for funzies?