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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2019, 06:09:59 am »
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3) Use one card from each pile for randomizers
The trouble with that is it stinks for playing random or semi-random kingdoms. If you ever want to choose a pile, you have to go digging in the randomizers for the missing card. )-8
I don't know why you say "random" there - it makes random kingdoms exactly as well as the randomizer deck does, with exactly as much searching for cards. Instead of turning over a random randomizer card and looking for the pile of 10, I turn over a random card and look for the pile of 9 to add to it. It's just exactly the same.

For needing a particular card, well as it happens I also keep each expansion separate - I deal out 5 random Seaside cards, 5 random Renaissance cards. So if I want to specifically test Swashbuckler, I turn over the pile of 25 cards and it's easy to find. But yes if you shuffled them all together it would take a while to find the 10th copy of something.

Wouldn't 300+ randomizer cards be difficult to shuffle? Or do you just limit the number of expansions you play with at once?
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2019, 05:50:58 pm »
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3) Use one card from each pile for randomizers
The trouble with that is it stinks for playing random or semi-random kingdoms. If you ever want to choose a pile, you have to go digging in the randomizers for the missing card. )-8
I don't know why you say "random" there - it makes random kingdoms exactly as well as the randomizer deck does, with exactly as much searching for cards. Instead of turning over a random randomizer card and looking for the pile of 10, I turn over a random card and look for the pile of 9 to add to it. It's just exactly the same.

For needing a particular card, well as it happens I also keep each expansion separate - I deal out 5 random Seaside cards, 5 random Renaissance cards. So if I want to specifically test Swashbuckler, I turn over the pile of 25 cards and it's easy to find. But yes if you shuffled them all together it would take a while to find the 10th copy of something.

Wouldn't 300+ randomizer cards be difficult to shuffle? Or do you just limit the number of expansions you play with at once?
I thought it was clear there, but I have e.g. a randomizer pile for Seaside (but it's really one of each regular-backed card from Seaside), and it's never mixed with other randomizers, it's always just the 26 Seaside cards. I shuffle that, it's 26 cards. I deal out 5 and then go to another pile for another expansion. I play with two expansions at once.

I've never tried shuffling 300 randomizers. Typically with so many cards you shuffle sections and then combine it and divide it into new sections and then shuffle the sections again. There must be people doing this but not me.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2019, 06:45:56 pm »
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You have to shuffle a deck of 177 cards for Evolution: Climate. When we need to shuffle large numbers of cards like that, we tend to divvy out about 50-70 to each of several shufflers. They shuffle for a bit, then pass half their cards to the left. After we've done that half a dozen times, we deem everything thoroughly shuffled.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2019, 07:21:53 pm »
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3) Use one card from each pile for randomizers
The trouble with that is it stinks for playing random or semi-random kingdoms. If you ever want to choose a pile, you have to go digging in the randomizers for the missing card. )-8
I don't know why you say "random" there - it makes random kingdoms exactly as well as the randomizer deck does, with exactly as much searching for cards. Instead of turning over a random randomizer card and looking for the pile of 10, I turn over a random card and look for the pile of 9 to add to it. It's just exactly the same.

For needing a particular card, well as it happens I also keep each expansion separate - I deal out 5 random Seaside cards, 5 random Renaissance cards. So if I want to specifically test Swashbuckler, I turn over the pile of 25 cards and it's easy to find. But yes if you shuffled them all together it would take a while to find the 10th copy of something.

Wouldn't 300+ randomizer cards be difficult to shuffle? Or do you just limit the number of expansions you play with at once?
I thought it was clear there, but I have e.g. a randomizer pile for Seaside (but it's really one of each regular-backed card from Seaside), and it's never mixed with other randomizers, it's always just the 26 Seaside cards. I shuffle that, it's 26 cards. I deal out 5 and then go to another pile for another expansion. I play with two expansions at once.

I've never tried shuffling 300 randomizers. Typically with so many cards you shuffle sections and then combine it and divide it into new sections and then shuffle the sections again. There must be people doing this but not me.

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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2019, 08:08:44 pm »
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I just use the Randomizer deck for Black Market. Sure, the cards are blue backed so you can see what isn't from the Kingdom, and this changes things gameplay wise. But Black Market is already changing things a lot, so I don't really mind.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2019, 12:17:20 am »
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For people who think Black Market is one of the best: how do you do the setup IRL?  It sounds unusable.

randomizer cards + numbered blanks
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2019, 11:43:28 am »
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For people who think Black Market is one of the best: how do you do the setup IRL?  It sounds unusable.

Use an app with virtual Black Market deck support. It can simulate a Black Market deck for you. If someone buys the actual card you then dig it out, that way you only have to fish for the cards you need.

Another reasonable option is Donald's method with the 10th copy of each card as your randomizer decks. This can get unwieldy if you want to have a Black Market deck with cards from several expansions, though.

I've also played with a curated Black Market deck, but this is very time-consuming.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2019, 05:22:18 pm »
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I feel like using the randomizer deck and then just grabbing actual copies of whatever cards get bought is a pretty good compromise.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #33 on: February 02, 2019, 02:04:40 pm »
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For people who think Black Market is one of the best: how do you do the setup IRL?  It sounds unusable.

Use an app with virtual Black Market deck support. It can simulate a Black Market deck for you. If someone buys the actual card you then dig it out, that way you only have to fish for the cards you need.
Can you suggest any?  People keep saying this, but I have yet to find one that does more than pick out the BM cards.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2019, 10:34:08 pm »
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For people who think Black Market is one of the best: how do you do the setup IRL?  It sounds unusable.

Use an app with virtual Black Market deck support. It can simulate a Black Market deck for you. If someone buys the actual card you then dig it out, that way you only have to fish for the cards you need.
Can you suggest any?  People keep saying this, but I have yet to find one that does more than pick out the BM cards.

Clearly, someone needs to make one.

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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2019, 02:17:14 am »
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I feel like using the randomizer deck and then just grabbing actual copies of whatever cards get bought is a pretty good compromise.
This really is a good enough solution, folks, and well within the spirit of IRL board gaming.

Otherwise if you're going to have a BM-specific app, why not just go all out and have a Dominion Online LAN party with 5 laptops 'round the table?
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #36 on: February 05, 2019, 12:48:08 am »
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For people who think Black Market is one of the best: how do you do the setup IRL?  It sounds unusable.

Use an app with virtual Black Market deck support. It can simulate a Black Market deck for you. If someone buys the actual card you then dig it out, that way you only have to fish for the cards you need.
Can you suggest any?  People keep saying this, but I have yet to find one that does more than pick out the BM cards.
From the Android side there's both Kingdom Shuffler for Dominion and Dominion Picker with virtual Black Market deck options. Dominion Picker doesn't have Nocturne or Renaissance yet, though.

I don't use iOS enough right now to speak to what's available there.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #37 on: February 05, 2019, 11:08:27 am »
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For people who think Black Market is one of the best: how do you do the setup IRL?  It sounds unusable.

Use an app with virtual Black Market deck support. It can simulate a Black Market deck for you. If someone buys the actual card you then dig it out, that way you only have to fish for the cards you need.
Can you suggest any?  People keep saying this, but I have yet to find one that does more than pick out the BM cards.
From the Android side there's both Kingdom Shuffler for Dominion and Dominion Picker with virtual Black Market deck options. Dominion Picker doesn't have Nocturne or Renaissance yet, though.

I don't use iOS enough right now to speak to what's available there.

For iOS, Randominion has a decent Black Market function, if I remember correctly.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #38 on: February 05, 2019, 05:37:53 pm »
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For people who think Black Market is one of the best: how do you do the setup IRL?  It sounds unusable.

Use an app with virtual Black Market deck support. It can simulate a Black Market deck for you. If someone buys the actual card you then dig it out, that way you only have to fish for the cards you need.
Can you suggest any?  People keep saying this, but I have yet to find one that does more than pick out the BM cards.
From the Android side there's both Kingdom Shuffler for Dominion and Dominion Picker with virtual Black Market deck options. Dominion Picker doesn't have Nocturne or Renaissance yet, though.

I don't use iOS enough right now to speak to what's available there.

For iOS, Randominion has a decent Black Market function, if I remember correctly.
There's no Renaissance on Randominion though
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #39 on: February 06, 2019, 11:45:24 pm »
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I feel like using the randomizer deck and then just grabbing actual copies of whatever cards get bought is a pretty good compromise.
This really is a good enough solution, folks, and well within the spirit of IRL board gaming.

Otherwise if you're going to have a BM-specific app, why not just go all out and have a Dominion Online LAN party with 5 laptops 'round the table?
That's quite a bit of a stretch don't you think?

For the former, all you need is one phone.  To implement it would be FAAR easier than making the entire Dominion series

For the latter, you'd need to lug around 5 laptops, be able to plug them in somewhere, and have internet access.  Dominion Online is already a thing, but some people prefer the physical cards.

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A BM virtual deck app fulfills a need that can make things far more convenient.  Ditto with a randomizer app.  Reduces the need to carry hundreds of randomizer cards, and all that shuffling.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #40 on: April 17, 2019, 04:05:59 pm »
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Hey here's a thread with "promos" in the title.

The two new promos are expected in August.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #41 on: April 17, 2019, 04:44:35 pm »
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The two new promos are expected in August.

Are they worth it?
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #42 on: April 17, 2019, 05:16:49 pm »
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I recently got governor and Black Market. Black market is fun but hard to set up.
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Re: Are promos worth it?
« Reply #43 on: April 17, 2019, 07:58:13 pm »
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The two new promos are expected in August.

Are they worth it?
One of them shows RTT in a hat. So I mean. Obviously.
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