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[Awaclus]

I just really think that we need to trust WCD's result.  I will lynch Space if they are put at L-1, but I think it is the wrong choice.

I trust WCD's result, but it's consistent with a town!UoS narrative as well as a scum!UoS narrative.

[Awaclus]

Basically the case on me for being scum is that I did a ton of anti-scum things throughout the game to build a strong town read by everyone to try to hopefully win at lylo.

You are saying, as scum.....
I saved a town vigilante.
I redirected my D4 case on town!UoS to my partner Space where the decision came to either lynch space or no lynch.

I guess those are the only big things.

Or I could be trying to lynch my partner UoS. Which if that is the case then, sure, yeah. Call me scum. It is starting to get absurd

Awaclus, review this. 

Do you agree with my assessment?

1) We have already established that it's completely reasonable for scum to save a town vigilante for town cred.
2) You did that and then you suddenly hammered ash out of nowhere, leading Space to not getting lynched.

[Awaclus]

For how much you claim that you're fine with lynching Space, the more you post, the more it's looking like you aren't really.

[2.71828.....]

For how much you claim that you're fine with lynching Space, the more you post, the more it's looking like you aren't really.

I know you have already done your part voting Space, if you get two more votes I will hammer the first post after I see the L-1.  If I don't feel free to lynch me.

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For how much you claim that you're fine with lynching Space, the more you post, the more it's looking like you aren't really.

The more you post the less confident I feel that you are town.

[WestCoastDidds]

For how much you claim that you're fine with lynching Space, the more you post, the more it's looking like you aren't really.

The more you post the less confident I feel that you are town.

Right?

[WestCoastDidds]

And now its messing with me...

[2.71828.....]

And now its messing with me...

which is why, when you don't trust your reads, trust your results

[Awaclus]

And now its messing with me...

which is why, when you don't trust your reads, trust your results

Which are consistent with what UoS is claiming. If you're town, why are you trying to manipulate WCD into lynching UoS over Space?

[2.71828.....]

And now its messing with me...

which is why, when you don't trust your reads, trust your results

Which are consistent with what UoS is claiming. If you're town, why are you trying to manipulate WCD into lynching UoS over Space?

because, based on the time that UoS spent at L-1, I am 100% confident they are scum. 

Unless the team is Awaclus/Space

Which is also ruled out now since you are both online right now an could hammer UoS.

So yeah.  I am now absolutely 100% confident UoS is scum.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm reasonably confident that UoS is scum, because there's plenty that doesn't add up, and he was seen targeting Glooble. It makes sense for a scum to be able to perform the NK and have another role like an investigative power or a redirect.

However, I'm worried there's an outside chance that it's e-Awaclus, and that that's the reason they're trying to rush us into the UoS lynch. If either of you isn't scum, please slow down and think through all the implications of the things that people have said, rather than getting complacent about your growing conviction that you've figured out the scumteam.

I actually think UoS's most likely partner is Awaclus, because to me the whole Green-Anaander thing doesn't fit with Mail-mi's claim, and I don't think he had much reason to lie about it to town once he was desperate enough to claim his real role rather than using his fake-claim:

I am Anaaner Mianaai. I tried to recruit hypercube on N1. Everything that she said about my role is true--I win with town, and I must also be the only Anaander Mianaai left alive to win. From the wording in my PM, it seems like the other Anaander Mianaai does not win with town.

Note also that he flipped orange, which is a weird colour for a single third-party flip. So I really think Awaclus's claim is suspicious, if it implies that orange Mail-mi is the only "third-faction" player in the game.

[Awaclus]

because, based on the time that UoS spent at L-1, I am 100% confident they are scum.

But we are not because we can't know if you're town or not.

[Awaclus]

I actually think UoS's most likely partner is Awaclus, because to me the whole Green-Anaander thing doesn't fit with Mail-mi's claim, and I don't think he had much reason to lie about it to town once he was desperate enough to claim his real role rather than using his fake-claim:

I am Anaaner Mianaai. I tried to recruit hypercube on N1. Everything that she said about my role is true--I win with town, and I must also be the only Anaander Mianaai left alive to win. From the wording in my PM, it seems like the other Anaander Mianaai does not win with town.

Also btw the other anaander mianaai is probably town. I was just saying that to try to get y'all to kill her.

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because, based on the time that UoS spent at L-1, I am 100% confident they are scum.

But we are not because we can't know if you're town or not.

Yeah, that is true.  It is, you know, mylo.  At some point town has to make a decision.  Take your time, fine.

At this point you can know beyond any doubt that AT LEAST one of myself or UoS is scum.  We could both be scum, you still don't know.  It comes down to probabilities and reads at this point.

What are the odds that you think I am scum vs UoS?  I am obviously 100% that UoS is scum.  I would also argue that the evidence should point the rest of town to see at least a 70-30 odds that UoS is scum over me.  But maybe that is confirmation bias.

What do you say?  What are the odds that I am scum or UoS is scum?  50-50?  90-10?

[Awaclus]

because, based on the time that UoS spent at L-1, I am 100% confident they are scum.

But we are not because we can't know if you're town or not.

Yeah, that is true.  It is, you know, mylo.  At some point town has to make a decision.  Take your time, fine.

At this point you can know beyond any doubt that AT LEAST one of myself or UoS is scum.  We could both be scum, you still don't know.  It comes down to probabilities and reads at this point.

What are the odds that you think I am scum vs UoS?  I am obviously 100% that UoS is scum.  I would also argue that the evidence should point the rest of town to see at least a 70-30 odds that UoS is scum over me.  But maybe that is confirmation bias.

What do you say?  What are the odds that I am scum or UoS is scum?  50-50?  90-10?

That's a difficult decision to make, which is why I'd rather make it tomorrow and make the easier decision of lynching Space today.

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I actually think UoS's most likely partner is Awaclus, because to me the whole Green-Anaander thing doesn't fit with Mail-mi's claim, and I don't think he had much reason to lie about it to town once he was desperate enough to claim his real role rather than using his fake-claim:

I am Anaaner Mianaai. I tried to recruit hypercube on N1. Everything that she said about my role is true--I win with town, and I must also be the only Anaander Mianaai left alive to win. From the wording in my PM, it seems like the other Anaander Mianaai does not win with town.

Also btw the other anaander mianaai is probably town. I was just saying that to try to get y'all to kill her.

We don't know that mail-mi wasn't lying.

Wait, we do know that mail-mi was lying about their role.  Like I said earlier, I very much lean on Space being scum over {joth, Awaclus}.  I would just prefer to have a result on them.

[SpaceAnemone]

based on the time that UoS spent at L-1, I am 100% confident they are scum. 

Do you mean the period from #1505 to #1536 in D4 (up until Joth unvoted), or the period from #2085 to #2096 in D5 (up until Awaclus unvoted)? Both of those are relatively short to consider a definitive proof.

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based on the time that UoS spent at L-1, I am 100% confident they are scum. 

Do you mean the period from #1505 to #1536 in D4 (up until Joth unvoted), or the period from #2085 to #2096 in D5 (up until Awaclus unvoted)? Both of those are relatively short to consider a definitive proof.

The time on D5.

from #2085 to #2096 UoS was at L-1 and both joth and WCD posted.
Then just now both you and Awaclus were online, so that is bascially a pseudo-Awaclus vote with you online.

Since I know I am town, if UoS is also town, then the scum team (two of {joth, WCD, Space, Awaclus}) could have hammered and won.

Therefore UoS is scum.  (from my point of view only, but I can be 100% confident)

[jotheonah]

I'm reasonably confident that UoS is scum, because there's plenty that doesn't add up, and he was seen targeting Glooble. It makes sense for a scum to be able to perform the NK and have another role like an investigative power or a redirect.

However, I'm worried there's an outside chance that it's e-Awaclus, and that that's the reason they're trying to rush us into the UoS lynch. If either of you isn't scum, please slow down and think through all the implications of the things that people have said, rather than getting complacent about your growing conviction that you've figured out the scumteam.

I actually think UoS's most likely partner is Awaclus, because to me the whole Green-Anaander thing doesn't fit with Mail-mi's claim, and I don't think he had much reason to lie about it to town once he was desperate enough to claim his real role rather than using his fake-claim:

I am Anaaner Mianaai. I tried to recruit hypercube on N1. Everything that she said about my role is true--I win with town, and I must also be the only Anaander Mianaai left alive to win. From the wording in my PM, it seems like the other Anaander Mianaai does not win with town.

Note also that he flipped orange, which is a weird colour for a single third-party flip. So I really think Awaclus's claim is suspicious, if it implies that orange Mail-mi is the only "third-faction" player in the game.

He said a few posts later (after he’d been hammered) that he made that part up to try to save himself and the other Aanander was probably town.

[jotheonah]

vote: Space

[WestCoastDidds]

vote: Space

That's L-1, I think.

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vote: Space

as promised

[SpaceAnemone]

Wow, that was sudden and disastrous.

Well done scum. Bad play, town.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm sold on Awaclus being scum.

If e's town, he's the main driving force in not thinking enough about this... so I guess he's the partner, rather than UoS? Though it could go either way.

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I mean, I know that there is still another day.  I really don't think space is a troll sort of person.  Which makes me really disappointed in myself.

Also disappointed with my fellow townies joth and WCD, mostly myself.

FREAKING TRUST YOUR RESULTS!!!!!!!

tantrum removed is Space is actually scum