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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #200 on: January 15, 2019, 11:59:50 am »

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #201 on: January 15, 2019, 12:02:08 pm »

Apologies all, for the not posting until now thing.  Crazy busy + sort of forgot about the game.

Caught up, not a lot of content for 8 pages of posts.  Had the same scumread on mail-mi that everyone else had. Awaclus is reading as very Awaclusian. Robz is his normal D1 snore.

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #202 on: January 15, 2019, 12:28:15 pm »

At the risk of sounding scummy given that she is my sister irl, I don't get the wagon on joth right now. He's being sarcastic and flippant, but that's just his style. All of his observations seem genuine to me.

Day one is hard, there's so little concrete to go on. I'm eager to hear ashersky's secret plan to fight inflation (have we done West Wing Mafia yet? that could be fun.)

Anyway, this little fight between DatSwan and Awaclus doesn't look great for either of them, but DatSwan comes out of it looking a little more jumpy and defensive, which is often how I feel early on as scum, so for now, vote: DatSwan
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #203 on: January 15, 2019, 12:39:18 pm »

The Datswan/Awaclus thing is totally null as far as town/scum reads for either of them.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #204 on: January 15, 2019, 12:44:38 pm »

Hypercube is a much better D1 lynch here. Because amazing D1 case is why. That I can detail later. Like after dinner.

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #205 on: January 15, 2019, 12:45:18 pm »

I look forward to hearing your case after dinner. Because I admit I am grasping at straws right now.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #206 on: January 15, 2019, 12:55:32 pm »

The Datswan/Awaclus thing is totally null as far as town/scum reads for either of them.

It feels a bit manufactured I think. I am certain that Awaclus would go around asking people to argue why they're town regardless of his alignment. Maybe he would select who he asks that question to differently, but that's a different matter. Swan doesn't agree that this is productive, and uses that as an excuse to scumread Awaclus and start a big argument that I assume most people aren't paying too much attention to. I'm not sure that it means something, but I'm not sure that it means nothing either.

I am also interested in hearing this amazing case on me.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #207 on: January 15, 2019, 12:59:09 pm »

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Voting for Robz was kind of silly.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #208 on: January 15, 2019, 01:01:07 pm »

Hypercube is a much better D1 lynch here. Because amazing D1 case is why. That I can detail later. Like after dinner.

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #209 on: January 15, 2019, 02:09:00 pm »

Will catch up by tonight sorry for my absence so far.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #210 on: January 15, 2019, 05:20:04 pm »

The thing that strikes me about play so far is that there are so many unvotes. I feel like that's not normal. Why not just move your vote around if you decide you no longer like who you're voting for?
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #211 on: January 15, 2019, 05:21:13 pm »

At the risk of sounding scummy given that she is my sister irl, I don't get the wagon on joth right now. He's being sarcastic and flippant, but that's just his style. All of his observations seem genuine to me.

Her pronouns appear to be very fluid here :-P
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #212 on: January 15, 2019, 05:23:46 pm »

I'm always up for an ashersky plan.

Does that mean you feel they're always pro-town? I feel like some of the ones I've observed have been of pretty questionable town utility.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #213 on: January 15, 2019, 05:26:26 pm »

(Also just moved to Germany so I am now forum time+6)

Moved as in long-term? We should have another f.ds Mafia meet-up in Berlin!
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #214 on: January 15, 2019, 05:39:51 pm »

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #215 on: January 15, 2019, 05:56:47 pm »

Hi friends-

Apologies for the absence, first day of classes and all. I'm caught up now, and continue to be rather flummoxed. The Awa/Swan conversation is funny to me, but rather null in terms of alignment. The Joth wagon doesn't seem to be based on much, but maybe that's enough... I have zero firm sense of anything, but we're only about midway through the day so maybe that's okay.

Other than the folks who have been absent thus far, the least explanation of thinking seems to be e. So, we will all wait for after dinner and for folks to get caught up, or maybe for a Ashersky plan, or some more to think about than our current conversations, because like Glooble I feel like there is nothing real going on here that's illuminating.  Maybe we need new and improved Day 1 Robz to new and improve this day!

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #216 on: January 15, 2019, 06:05:45 pm »

Does that mean you feel they're always pro-town? I feel like some of the ones I've observed have been of pretty questionable town utility.

Well, I don't think they're always pro-town, but they're pro-town pretty often especially because ashersky tries to make them that way even when he's scum.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #217 on: January 15, 2019, 06:10:35 pm »

The thing that strikes me about play so far is that there are so many unvotes. I feel like that's not normal. Why not just move your vote around if you decide you no longer like who you're voting for?

I vote for people if they seem scummy, and then if they seem less scummy but thereís no one else who seems especially scummy I just unvote. Thatís mostly only true on Day 1 though.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #218 on: January 15, 2019, 10:06:31 pm »

At the risk of sounding scummy given that she is my sister irl, I don't get the wagon on joth right now. He's being sarcastic and flippant, but that's just his style. All of his observations seem genuine to me.

Day one is hard, there's so little concrete to go on. I'm eager to hear ashersky's secret plan to fight inflation (have we done West Wing Mafia yet? that could be fun.)

Anyway, this little fight between DatSwan and Awaclus doesn't look great for either of them, but DatSwan comes out of it looking a little more jumpy and defensive, which is often how I feel early on as scum, so for now, vote: DatSwan

I was the one pointing fingers in this - how does that come off as defensicve?
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #219 on: January 15, 2019, 10:09:06 pm »

The thing that strikes me about play so far is that there are so many unvotes. I feel like that's not normal.

I voted for Robz because I really didn't like his vote on me, honestly. Not like in an OMGUS way, but in a "there's no way Robz actually believes that scum!me would vote mail-mi the way I did, he knows me too well." But then I reread and thought about and I realized it was kind of silly. Because I've been away so long. And Robz is striking me as generally towny here. So I unvoted.

Why not just move your vote around if you decide you no longer like who you're voting for?

...Because I don't have any scumreads?
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #220 on: January 16, 2019, 12:57:15 am »

I am going the crew of just re read again and really struggling to find jumping off points...

Love to hear the E! case or the Ashes plan plzzz
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #221 on: January 16, 2019, 03:07:29 am »

The hypercube case:

1) he had the whole "I read the setup and noticed a hated/loved mechanic of some sort likely exists" post

2) then has the "if I were scum I wouldn't have pointed it out" post

3) the other wagons are all bad

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #222 on: January 16, 2019, 05:03:31 am »

The hypercube case:

1) he had the whole "I read the setup and noticed a hated/loved mechanic of some sort likely exists" post

2) then has the "if I were scum I wouldn't have pointed it out" post

3) the other wagons are all bad

And there you have it. Best of the best for D1 cases

Aw, I was hoping you had something creative. Town points for not overreaching, I guess.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #223 on: January 16, 2019, 05:27:54 am »

So, we will all wait for after dinner and for folks to get caught up, or maybe for a Ashersky plan

So.. is it pro-town just to wait for Ash's plan? Are you even aware of the kinds of things these Ashersky-plans of his tend to involve?

Characteristic one: he announces to the thread that he has a plan, but then waits ages to post it, building expectation. In games like this, it has a very real risk of stalling all the genuine worthwhile conversation in the thread because too many people buy into the cult of the Ashersky plan and don't want to put their own effort in when they hope someone else is going to come along and do it for them.

I think it's not very pro-town of him to do the hint-and-run routine in the first place, but it's certainly not pro-town for the rest of us to let multiple comments along the lines of "let's wait for Ashersky's plan" go by and not have at least a little rant about it ;-)

(I was going to go into more characteristics of the plans, but I'm at work, and now my breakfast-coffee is over, I need to get back to analysis of real data!)
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #224 on: January 16, 2019, 05:31:38 am »

Ashersky explicitly stated he wouldn't reveal his plan until very late D1.

1) there is absolutely no reason to wait for a plan
2) people who state they are waiting for said plan are attempting to be artificially townie, and thus are scummy
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