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[jotheonah]

Ironic that ash keeps talking about giving the town an extra lynch day 1 (as if that’s protown) But she has in fact denied us a day one lynch by not dying.

I’m tempted to ask ash to fullclaim. I’m also tempted to go ahead and try to finish what we started day one.

Well, I didn't plan on me being the extra lynch, nor did I know I wouldn't die.

The extra lynch should have been whomever was #2 on the lynch list -- so one of the folks with two votes.  Or it looks like the new Galzria would have been coming after you.

Regardless of my not dying, we did have two "lynches" on D1.  We just didn't get two flips.

As for full claiming, not a good idea.  Remaining number of shots and when/how I can use them is what scum wants to know.  Scum also wants to lynch me.

I've claimed what needs to be known (through words or actions).  Hetnys, sometimes dayvig, sometimes hated.  Everything else is not related to my role (not dying from lynch, surviving last night).

Cool, this is exactly what I expected a serial killer to say.

vote: Ash

Good enough for yesterday, good enough for today.

[jotheonah]

Ask yourself which is more likely, that ash just happened to fall victim to multiple layers of weirdness, or that at least some of that weirdness is part of a complicated SK role and Ash is lying about her defensive ability because it’s scummy.

[ashersky]

I wish I was an SK here.  MVP win last time out.

It's been a long time since I've played a game with joth, I think.  What I don't remember is if shutdown-ignore everything-confirmation bias joth is scum!joth or town!joth.

As most would know, I'm always happy to get lynched just to say I told you so.  My green flip just proves you wrong and proves me right.

vote: ash

[ashersky]

Ask yourself which is more likely, that ash just happened to fall victim to multiple layers of weirdness, or that at least some of that weirdness is part of a complicated SK role and Ash is lying about her defensive ability because it’s scummy.

scumslip

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Calm down guys.

Ashersky is town

[WestCoastDidds]

You may have missed it, but I claimed the 5 vote lynch part.  I two took less votes to lynch than normal.

Definitely missed it, thank you. That was part of your role? 2x hated?

[ashersky]

Ask yourself which is more likely, that ash just happened to fall victim to multiple layers of weirdness, or that at least some of that weirdness is part of a complicated SK role and Ash is lying about her defensive ability because it’s scummy.

scumslip

Let me explain.

You state clearly in here "multiple layers" of weirdness.  No one, not even joth, can argue against that point.

However, there is only one public layer of weirdness known to all -- surviving the lynch.  Any other layers of weirdness would be known only to the perpetrator of the weirdness, such as the scum team that shot me and saw that I survived.  After all, there is a lot of focus on my surviving by joth here.

So, joth, please, what other layers of weirdness can you share with us that no one else knows about?  (Hint: it's where you shot me last night and I didn't die.)

[ashersky]

You may have missed it, but I claimed the 5 vote lynch part.  I two took less votes to lynch than normal.

Definitely missed it, thank you. That was part of your role? 2x hated?

Correct.

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Also, ashersky, I don't think scum shot you last night because they assumed you would get lynched. You know, joth's "let's finish what we started yesterday" post.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't at least

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Also, speaking of that, vote: jotheonah

[WestCoastDidds]

Calm down guys.

Ashersky is town

I like the idea of calming down! The caught us unawares quick lynch when we thought we actually had a whole extra day has made me hesitant to vote at all. But I want to vote for Joth.

E, you say that with authority....how do you know she’s town?

[ashersky]

Also, ashersky, I don't think scum shot you last night because they assumed you would get lynched. You know, joth's "let's finish what we started yesterday" post.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't at least

I guess that's possible.  There's the "ash is an easy enough mislynch" angle.  Even if they actually think I'm 3rd Party, though, seems like it's in their best interest to take a possible non-them kill off the board.

Where's mail-mi?  That "oh no" post at day's end was funny.

[WestCoastDidds]

You may have missed it, but I claimed the 5 vote lynch part.  I two took less votes to lynch than normal.

Definitely missed it, thank you. That was part of your role? 2x hated?

Correct.

Oof! That is accurate to Hetnys, though. She was kind of awful.

[jotheonah]

Ask yourself which is more likely, that ash just happened to fall victim to multiple layers of weirdness, or that at least some of that weirdness is part of a complicated SK role and Ash is lying about her defensive ability because it’s scummy.

scumslip

1. You didn’t die to the lynch
2. You got lynched with 5 votes instead of 7
(3. You had a dayvig and used it in a blatantly antitown way)

Let me explain.

You state clearly in here "multiple layers" of weirdness.  No one, not even joth, can argue against that point.

However, there is only one public layer of weirdness known to all -- surviving the lynch.  Any other layers of weirdness would be known only to the perpetrator of the weirdness, such as the scum team that shot me and saw that I survived.  After all, there is a lot of focus on my surviving by joth here.

So, joth, please, what other layers of weirdness can you share with us that no one else knows about?  (Hint: it's where you shot me last night and I didn't die.)

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Calm down guys.

Ashersky is town

I like the idea of calming down! The caught us unawares quick lynch when we thought we actually had a whole extra day has made me hesitant to vote at all. But I want to vote for Joth.

E, you say that with authority....how do you know she’s town?

As a part of my role I have a 1-shot cop. I used it on ashersky. I wanted to let it play out a bit longer, but ashersky self-voting kind of made me claim earlier than I wanted, but I didn't want my investigation to be for nothing with a quick lynch

[jotheonah]

You may have missed it, but I claimed the 5 vote lynch part.  I two took less votes to lynch than normal.

Definitely missed it, thank you. That was part of your role? 2x hated?

Correct.

I also missed this. Why not claim it yesterday?

[ashersky]

It also makes me a liability the closer we get to the endgame, so I will definitely urge my lynch eventually (like, around when it takes four to lynch?).

Unless someone has a +Loved power to send my way.

[jotheonah]

unvote

I believe the cop claim here.

Unless Ash is a dayvigging lynchproof 2x hated Godfather serially killer, but hats a lot even for faust.

[ashersky]

You may have missed it, but I claimed the 5 vote lynch part.  I two took less votes to lynch than normal.

Definitely missed it, thank you. That was part of your role? 2x hated?

Correct.

I also missed this. Why not claim it yesterday?

To Awaclus you: why claim it?  No one else was claiming Hated/Loved, even after the discussion started up based on rule wording.  I didn't expect to get lynched, honestly, and I would have claimed if I was around when the votes came flying.

Also, I don't believe you.  I posted about this TWICE before your "multiple layers" scumslip.

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Or we just lynch scum and not town then x2 hated doesn't come into play

[ashersky]

unvote

[jotheonah]

It's been a long time since I've played a game with joth, I think.  What I don't remember is if shutdown-ignore everything-confirmation bias joth is scum!joth or town!joth.

Also this is the opposite of shut down ignore everything confirmation bias. All the information Onhad was pointing to you being scum. Remember when you first took the big shot I hated it, but I thought it made you town. LaLight suggested SK and it seemed to me like the cleanest explanation of the facts.

But an SK doesn’t have a partner to fake a cop result to clear her, so now the facts have changed.

[jotheonah]

If all I accomplish today is to set up my new meta that flippant Joth is town Joth I’ll call it a win. I think a lot of people in this town are falling victim to the “she annoys me she must be scum” fallacy.

[jotheonah]

One more thought: don’t forget voluntary alignment changes are possible. So don’t treat Ash an IC on subsequent days.

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I wouldn't call jotheonah's play flippant. But I understand how self analysis can be very different than external analysis.

I will throw together something that better describes why I am voting jotheonah later when I get the chance.