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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1750 on: February 10, 2019, 08:53:06 pm »

ooh is this happening now? vote: e
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1751 on: February 10, 2019, 10:21:56 pm »

WCD has also been asking me to help direct her night actions in our QT. That’s pretty towny. Especially since it’s verifiable tomorrow.

You weren't one of the people I recommended talking to, so I guess there's a limit to what advice she'll take, or Swan's advice trumped mine!

Joth was on your "might know more than he is letting on" list, and most of the of other folks we were interested in are dead and that seemed better than the list of "not likely to talk to me" list. DatSwan recommend choosing someone I thought was town to help build our town faction. So, that is what I did. I had it down to him and Haddock.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1752 on: February 10, 2019, 10:28:31 pm »

Does that also mean WCD thought there were two motion detectors in the game?

Yes, I did, and largely because I see mcmc and I's roles as similar which is something I said to Space early on in our QT. Perhaps I am still not understanding something... How is a limited tracker or limited watcher (what I thought I was then) different than a motion detector? Is it not a subset of motion detectors (what the wiki site I posted earlier said)? Can you help me understand what I don't grasp here?
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1753 on: February 10, 2019, 10:33:31 pm »

Does that also mean WCD thought there were two motion detectors in the game?

Yes, I did, and largely because I see mcmc and I's roles as similar which is something I said to Space early on in our QT. Perhaps I am still not understanding something... How is a limited tracker or limited watcher (what I thought I was then) different than a motion detector? Is it not a subset of motion detectors (what the wiki site I posted earlier said)? Can you help me understand what I don't grasp here?

Watcher tells you who targeted your target, Tracker tells you who was targeted by your target, Motion Detector tells you whether your target targeted someone or was targeted by someone but not who it was.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1754 on: February 10, 2019, 10:54:23 pm »


Last response to my role explanation/understanding issue and I'll quit spamming the thread.

Huh.. that's not the answer I thought you would give.

I thought that since mcmc had just flipped Motion Detector, and you had clearly been aware of the details of his flip when we were talking, that you's say that that was where you'd got the idea that motion detector was what your power did.

When I got the role, I was more focused on the communication aspects than the "monitoring" parts.

When our QT opened, I immediately told you about the comms part of my role. I thought that was the most interesting part of what I can do. When Mcmc flipped, I looked up his role to try to understand what he did. I did the same with mine...although I used "monitor" in my search since that I was keyed into the description and not the title of the role, and I also looked up all of the modifying words from his role and mine. I asked about those and subsequent revealed ones in the thread, too, because they are often not explained on the internets. When you and I were talking about mcmc's role and the potential similarities to mine in our QT (m10) I called what I could do motion detection because I thought that was what a monitoring function that included finding out who someone I targeted had targeted meant and I was scared to ask that as a question for fear of revealing too much. I also thought that Mcmc was more powerful that I am because her modifiers didn't include "limited".

I see now that what I should have done, from the very start, was ask Space to help me understand my role. That would have been the best use of the QT. I thought I knew what I was saying, I was wrong. Because I was the one who created the neighborhood, I felt like I needed to disclose quite about how I could do that, so I did. Space didn't reveal nearly as much about her abilities as I did, so it felt like we were keeping things back so not the best environment for asking basic questions (although I still had my fair share of those.)

Both DatSwan and Joth have shared more about their abilities from the outset than in that initial conversation (no shade on Space...the game was further along so it seems less risky, I think) and have helped me understand what I do and how it can best be combined with what others do. I am 100% certain that I'd still think I was a limited watcher if this whole conversation had never happened and faust hadn't then changed my description to limited tracker.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1755 on: February 10, 2019, 10:56:48 pm »

Watcher tells you who targeted your target, Tracker tells you who was targeted by your target, Motion Detector tells you whether your target targeted someone or was targeted by someone but not who it was.

So, is a motion detector both a watcher and a tracker? Or is the motion detector just yes/no? Are these all the same level of powerful? (Thank you!)
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1756 on: February 10, 2019, 11:01:43 pm »

Yes, though different variants of motion detectors. She should perhaps explain.

Mcmc was a fixed modified multiple-motion detector and I am a limited tracker. So, whatever levels of detection that is, that is what I know to be in the game. Is it unusual? I don't really understand what you'd like me to explain.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1757 on: February 10, 2019, 11:14:57 pm »

So, is a motion detector both a watcher and a tracker? Or is the motion detector just yes/no? Are these all the same level of powerful? (Thank you!)

The motion detector is just yes/no. I would say that in terms of power, Watcher is slightly better than Tracker which is way better than Motion Detector.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1758 on: February 11, 2019, 01:10:38 am »

It almost sounds like e is trying to push a non-ashersky mislynch through.

As opposed to an Ashersky mislynch?

Acknowledge, I am tunneling (a bit).  But that is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1759 on: February 11, 2019, 01:11:34 am »

Vote Count 4.4

UmbrageOfSnow (3): 2.71828....., Glooble, WestCoastDidds
jotheonah (1): UmbrageOfSnow
WestCoastDidds (1): ashersky
2.71828..... (2): Awaclus, jotheonah

Not Voting (1): SpaceAnemone

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 4 ends on February 13, 2019, 12:00:00 pm.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2019, 07:39:21 am by faust »
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1760 on: February 11, 2019, 01:31:47 am »

As opposed to an Ashersky mislynch?

Yes, so that you can mislynch the double-hated ashersky tomorrow with your scum partner and win.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1761 on: February 11, 2019, 02:22:19 am »

As opposed to an Ashersky mislynch?

Yes, so that you can mislynch the double-hated ashersky tomorrow with your scum partner and win.

That applies to any non-ashersky mislynch. So why apply it here to me rather than to WCD or UoS?
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1762 on: February 11, 2019, 02:27:41 am »

That applies to any non-ashersky mislynch. So why apply it here to me rather than to WCD or UoS?

What? WCD and UoS haven't been anywhere near as forceful as you have in trying to control today's lynch to your liking.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1763 on: February 11, 2019, 02:32:08 am »

That applies to any non-ashersky mislynch. So why apply it here to me rather than to WCD or UoS?

What? WCD and UoS haven't been anywhere near as forceful as you have in trying to control today's lynch to your liking.

True, but that doesn't change the supposed ashersky scenario. Basically, you are letting unobjective bias against tunneling affect your decision making ability for this lunch
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1764 on: February 11, 2019, 02:36:28 am »

That applies to any non-ashersky mislynch. So why apply it here to me rather than to WCD or UoS?

What? WCD and UoS haven't been anywhere near as forceful as you have in trying to control today's lynch to your liking.

True, but that doesn't change the supposed ashersky scenario. Basically, you are letting unobjective bias against tunneling affect your decision making ability for this lunch

I have no idea what you're talking about. Tunneling has nothing to do with why I'm voting for you.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1765 on: February 11, 2019, 02:41:35 am »

In other news, it's getting pretty likely that at least one of these four people is scum:

UmbrageOfSnow (3): 2.71828....., Glooble, WestCoastDidds

Otherwise scum would have quickhammered already.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1766 on: February 11, 2019, 02:46:59 am »

I’ll hammer if someone L-1s.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1767 on: February 11, 2019, 02:58:38 am »

I’ll hammer if someone L-1s.

Why do you disagree with my e case?
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1768 on: February 11, 2019, 03:05:12 am »

I’ll hammer if someone L-1s.

Why do you disagree with my e case?

I don’t generally take anything you write to be an actual case.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1769 on: February 11, 2019, 03:11:33 am »

I’ll hammer if someone L-1s.

Why do you disagree with my e case?

I don’t generally take anything you write to be an actual case.

This is different, we're in LyLo.
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1770 on: February 11, 2019, 03:26:40 am »

I don't see why this doesn't work.

1) e targets ash with cop governor
2) ash is double hated
3) ash gets 5 votes and is lynched due to being double hated
4) e's governor saves ash
5) ash doesn't die
6) e was really a scum governor all along (with or without the claimed alignment copping ability, doesn't matter)
7) everyone treats e as though he was an IC
8) on D4, we enter 6v2 LyLo because ash is double hated
9) e uses his pseudo-IC status to influence the lynch such that scum wins
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1771 on: February 11, 2019, 03:27:00 am »

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1772 on: February 11, 2019, 03:42:24 am »

In other news, it's getting pretty likely that at least one of these four people is scum:

UmbrageOfSnow (3): 2.71828....., Glooble, WestCoastDidds

Otherwise scum would have quickhammered already.

My money is on UoS
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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1773 on: February 11, 2019, 03:43:40 am »

In other news, it's getting pretty likely that at least one of these four people is scum:

UmbrageOfSnow (3): 2.71828....., Glooble, WestCoastDidds

Otherwise scum would have quickhammered already.

My money is on UoS

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Re: RMM51: Imperial Radch Mafia (Day 4)
« Reply #1774 on: February 11, 2019, 06:39:11 am »

I don't see why this doesn't work.

1) e targets ash with cop governor
2) ash is double hated
3) ash gets 5 votes and is lynched due to being double hated
4) e's governor saves ash
5) ash doesn't die
6) e was really a scum governor all along (with or without the claimed alignment copping ability, doesn't matter)
7) everyone treats e as though he was an IC
8) on D4, we enter 6v2 LyLo because ash is double hated
9) e uses his pseudo-IC status to influence the lynch such that scum wins

Exactly what I’ve been thinking! I guess Awaclus is my twin now.
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