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Zendo Questions 2
« on: December 17, 2018, 05:04:00 pm »

Welcome to Zendo Questions 2!

Would you like to play this game? Yes
Is it fun? Yes
Can you join any time? Yes
Can you guess the rule? Yes
Is your guess correct? No

Play on...

This post is mostly copied from mafiascum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=23946

Those of you familiar with both Twenty Questions and Zendo already know the rules. For everyone else, let me break it down.
  • Each round, there is one Oracle and a flock of Petitioners.
  • At the beginning of the round, the Oracle invents a secret rule, completely mechanical, based on - and solely on - the exact wording of the questions asked. This rule will, given the exact wording of a question, tell the Oracle to reply either "Yes" or "No". You must be able to answer the same question the same way, regardless of the context of the question. Examples include:
    • Any question with an even number of words, reply "Yes"; otherwise, reply "No".
    • Any question beginning with a consonant, reply "Yes"; otherwise, reply "No".
  • Bear in mind that, first, any overly-complicated rule (e.g. "Any question whose SHA-1 hash ends with an even number, say 'No'; otherwise, say 'Yes'") will get you mocked and shunned; second, every rule is more complicated than it initially appears; and third, if you screw up three times, you must concede (and thereby become an object of pity and lose 1d6 points of respect).
  • During the round, any Petitioner (i.e. anyone other than the Oracle) may either ask questions, or attempt to guess the rule. Each question asked shall be answered in order by the Oracle, according to the rule. Guesses the Oracle shall deal with in one of exactly two ways:
    • By conceding, and revealing the rule that had been used.
    • By replying with a question whose answer is different under the actual rule than according to the guess.
    • For example: if the rule is "beginning with a consonant = yes" and someone guesses "beginning with a W = yes", the Oracle might say, "Had it the ability, would a woodchuck chuck wood?"
  • The Oracle shall include in each post answering questions and responding to guesses a list of all prior questions, answers, guesses, and responses.
  • If the Oracle takes longer than 72 hours to answer a question, the Oracle shall forfeit. If no Petitioners have submitted questions or guesses for 96 hours, then any Petitioner may ask the Oracle to reveal the rule and step down.
  • The Petitioner who first guesses correctly shall become the next Oracle. If there is no such petitioner (such as after an Oracle is forced to forfeit) [edit: or if said petitioner does not choose a rule within a reasonable timespan], the first poster to so choose may become the next Oracle.
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2018, 05:04:36 pm »

The start of the current rule is ...there is no current rule!

Here is a list of rules used so far.
Note that I have modified some of the wordings in order to present them all in the same format: If <property> then "yes", otherwise "no". Let me know if you spot any mistakes I've made.
Also there have been a handful of aborted rules, never stated and not listed here.

Rules from previous thread:

The question contains a doubled character.

The question contains a comma.

The question contains a word that starts with "m".

The question contains a capital vowel.

The words in the question are arranged alphabetically.

The question contains all of the letters in "a rule".

The question has a prime number of characters.

Both first and last letters of the question are both consonants or both vowels.

The previous question shares any words with current question. (later ruled an invalid rule)

The average word length of the question is greater than 4 characters.

The third letter of the question is a vowel.

The last word of the question has at least one letter from each QWERTY keyboard row.

The question contains a capitalized T,H,E,O,R or Y.

The question has a one-syllable word, a two-syllable word, and a three-syllable word.

The question contains the letters in 'meme,' i.e., at least two m's and two e's.

The only 't's in the question are not at the start of words.

The question contains 4 or more characters that are not lowercase letters or spaces.

The question contains a letter in the range N-Z.

The question has two letters that are next to each other in the alphabet next to each other in the right order.

The questions does not contain any of the letters j,q,x or z.

The question has at least as many words with five or more letters than words with 4 or fewer letters.

The question contains a word with the same number of letters as the number of words in the question.

The question contains a 'y' or does not contain an 'n'.

The question contains an n-th word which has exactly n letters.

The question contains an anagram of a Dominion card.

The first letter of the alphabet occurring in the question occurs only once.

The question has at least 3 words all of the same length.

The first and last word of the question share any letters.

The third word of the question has an even number of letters.


Rules from this thread:

The last word of the question contains a letter that hasn't occurred before.

Every word of the question has an adjacent word which has a letter in common with it.

The number of letters in the question is congruent to 1 mod 3.

The question contains both an r and an s.

The number of words with an even number of characters is even.

Between the first and last lowercase letters there is nothing but lowercase letters and spaces.

The question contains the name of a Dominion card-shaped thing.

There are two consecutive words with the same number of characters.

The median number of letters per word is an integer.

Either the number of words or the number of letters is a square number.

More than half of the characters in the question form a single word.

There is an 'N' in the first three words of the question.

The question does not contain two words in alphabetical order.

The question contains two consecutive letters which are consecutive in the alphabet, in order.

The question contains the string "Elliptic Curve Cryptography".

The question contains at least one word which is made up of symbols of chemical elements.

<to be updated>
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2018, 05:05:01 pm »

I have a rule
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2018, 05:09:06 pm »

Is it a rule?
When will you post the previous rules?
Can I guess the rule correctly?
Can I guess the rule incorrectly?
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2018, 05:23:35 pm »

tag?
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2018, 10:51:56 pm »

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself?
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself?
What if the barber is a woman?
What if the set is a woman?
Did the Butler do it?
How many cooks is too many cooks?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2018, 01:57:29 am »

Is it a rule? Yes
When will you post the previous rules? No
Can I guess the rule correctly? Yes
Can I guess the rule incorrectly? Yes

tag? Yes

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself? Yes
What if the barber is a woman? Yes
What if the set is a woman? Yes
Did the Butler do it? No
How many cooks is too many cooks? No
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2018, 02:29:13 pm »

Does the barber of all shaves contain sets who don't shave contains himself themselves shaves?
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2018, 02:34:44 pm »

Does?
Your rule?
Have anything to?
Do with the number?
Of words in the question?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2018, 02:48:44 pm »

Is it a rule? Yes
When will you post the previous rules? No
Can I guess the rule correctly? Yes
Can I guess the rule incorrectly? Yes

tag? Yes

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself? Yes
What if the barber is a woman? Yes
What if the set is a woman? Yes
Did the Butler do it? No
How many cooks is too many cooks? No

Does the barber of all shaves contain sets who don't shave contains himself themselves shaves? No

Does? Yes
Your rule? Yes
Have anything to? Yes
Do with the number? Yes
Of words in the question? Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2018, 03:19:49 pm »

contain contain?
shave shave?
set sets?
barber barber?
barber?
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2018, 03:20:12 pm »

set set?
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2018, 04:58:46 pm »

Maybe?
I didn't?
Keep the pyramid?
Of word lengths going?
For long enough to determine?
The nature of your silly rule?
This sentence has seven words in it?
This sentence has eight words in it, right?
This sentence has nine words in it, doesn't it?
This sentence has ten words in it, does it not?
This sentence is chock full of words, sporting a dizzying eleven?
This sentence puts that last one to shame because it has twelve?
Those other two sentences have nothing on this final sentence, which has thirteen?
And boy, if you thought Mr. Thirteen was long, wait until you see this?
In case you lost count, we're up to a fourteen word sentence now, y'dig?
This is probably overkill, but I'm just kind of having fun with this absurd premise now?
Still I'll probably stop once I get to seventeen words because it seems like a good milestone?
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2018, 06:52:13 pm »

Jotheonah, do you realize that "Did the Butler do it?" has five word as well, so it can't only be about word count?
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2018, 06:59:58 pm »

What if the is a woman?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2018, 03:44:57 am »

Is it a rule? Yes
When will you post the previous rules? No
Can I guess the rule correctly? Yes
Can I guess the rule incorrectly? Yes

tag? Yes

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself? Yes
What if the barber is a woman? Yes
What if the set is a woman? Yes
Did the Butler do it? No
How many cooks is too many cooks? No

Does the barber of all shaves contain sets who don't shave contains himself themselves shaves? No

Does? Yes
Your rule? Yes
Have anything to? Yes
Do with the number? Yes
Of words in the question? Yes

contain contain? No
shave shave? No
set sets? No
barber barber? No
barber? Yes
set? Yes

set set? No

Maybe? Yes
I didn't? Yes
Keep the pyramid? Yes
Of word lengths going? Yes
For long enough to determine? Yes
The nature of your silly rule? No
This sentence has seven words in it? No
This sentence has eight words in it, right? No
This sentence has nine words in it, doesn't it? No
This sentence has ten words in it, does it not? No
This sentence is chock full of words, sporting a dizzying eleven? Yes
This sentence puts that last one to shame because it has twelve? Yes
Those other two sentences have nothing on this final sentence, which has thirteen? No
And boy, if you thought Mr. Thirteen was long, wait until you see this? No
In case you lost count, we're up to a fourteen word sentence now, y'dig? Yes
This is probably overkill, but I'm just kind of having fun with this absurd premise now? No
Still I'll probably stop once I get to seventeen words because it seems like a good milestone? No

Jotheonah, do you realize that "Did the Butler do it?" has five word as well, so it can't only be about word count? No

What if the is a woman? Yes
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« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2018, 07:25:12 am »

Is rule?
What woman?
This it?
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« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2018, 07:57:27 am »

Is rule? Yes
What woman? Yes
This it? No
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« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2018, 01:44:38 pm »

contain?
shave?
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2018, 02:30:20 pm »

containcontain?
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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2018, 02:55:35 pm »

contain? yes
shave? yes

containcontain? yes
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2018, 02:57:06 pm »

parity?
parity parity?
parity parity parity?
parity parity parity parity?
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2018, 02:58:32 pm »

you should answer yes to this sentence?
but this one is one where no is the answer?
on the one hand, however, this sentence should be a yes?
But on the other hand, the sentence now should be now?
On the third hand, there's a yes?
But on the forth hand, there are only three hands, so this is a no?
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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2018, 03:02:58 pm »

parity? yes
parity parity? no
parity parity parity? no
parity parity parity parity? no

you should answer yes to this sentence? yes
but this one is one where no is the answer? yes
on the one hand, however, this sentence should be a yes? yes
But on the other hand, the sentence now should be now? no
On the third hand, there's a yes? yes
But on the forth hand, there are only three hands, so this is a no? no

<note, the list of all questions for the current rule was getting quite long - I'll post the full list again near the top of the next page>
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« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2018, 03:06:37 pm »

interesting interesting?
interesting interesting very much so yes absolutely totally completely biong?
interesting interesting kind of?
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« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2018, 03:12:35 pm »

Did?
Did the?
Did the Butler?
Did the Butler do?
Did it?
Did the it?
Did the Butler it?
Did do it?
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« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2018, 03:12:45 pm »

Will?
All?
Of?
These?
Be?
Yes?

Will some?
of these?
be yes?
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« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2018, 03:16:30 pm »

test testing testingtest?
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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2018, 03:18:10 pm »

barber barber b?
barber barber c?
barber barber d?
barber barber x?
barber barber y?
barber barber xy?
barber barber xyz?
barber barber xx?
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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2018, 03:23:46 pm »

Is it a rule? Yes
When will you post the previous rules? No
Can I guess the rule correctly? Yes
Can I guess the rule incorrectly? Yes

tag? Yes

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No
Does the barber who only shaves men who donít shave themselves shave himself? Yes
What if the barber is a woman? Yes
What if the set is a woman? Yes
Did the Butler do it? No
How many cooks is too many cooks? No

Does the barber of all shaves contain sets who don't shave contains himself themselves shaves? No

Does? Yes
Your rule? Yes
Have anything to? Yes
Do with the number? Yes
Of words in the question? Yes

contain contain? No
shave shave? No
set sets? No
barber barber? No
barber? Yes
set? Yes

set set? No

Maybe? Yes
I didn't? Yes
Keep the pyramid? Yes
Of word lengths going? Yes
For long enough to determine? Yes
The nature of your silly rule? No
This sentence has seven words in it? No
This sentence has eight words in it, right? No
This sentence has nine words in it, doesn't it? No
This sentence has ten words in it, does it not? No
This sentence is chock full of words, sporting a dizzying eleven? Yes
This sentence puts that last one to shame because it has twelve? Yes
Those other two sentences have nothing on this final sentence, which has thirteen? No
And boy, if you thought Mr. Thirteen was long, wait until you see this? No
In case you lost count, we're up to a fourteen word sentence now, y'dig? Yes
This is probably overkill, but I'm just kind of having fun with this absurd premise now? No
Still I'll probably stop once I get to seventeen words because it seems like a good milestone? No

Jotheonah, do you realize that "Did the Butler do it?" has five word as well, so it can't only be about word count? No

What if the is a woman? Yes

Is rule? Yes
What woman? Yes
This it? No

contain? Yes
shave? Yes

containcontain? Yes

parity? Yes
parity parity? No
parity parity parity? No
parity parity parity parity? No

you should answer yes to this sentence? Yes
but this one is one where no is the answer? Yes
on the one hand, however, this sentence should be a yes? Yes
But on the other hand, the sentence now should be now? No
On the third hand, there's a yes? Yes
But on the forth hand, there are only three hands, so this is a no? No

interesting interesting? No
interesting interesting very much so yes absolutely totally completely biong? Yes
interesting interesting kind of? Yes

Did? Yes
Did the? Yes
Did the Butler? Yes
Did the Butler do? Yes
Did it? Yes
Did the it? No
Did the Butler it? No
Did do it? Yes

Will? Yes
All? Yes
Of? Yes
These? Yes
Be? Yes
Yes? Yes

Will some? Yes
of these? Yes
be yes? Yes

test testing testingtest? No

barber barber b? No
barber barber c? Yes
barber barber d? Yes
barber barber x? Yes
barber barber y? Yes
barber barber xy? Yes
barber barber xyz? Yes
barber barber xx? Yes
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« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2018, 03:32:00 pm »

boes barber bary barbies barring bs? (borry)
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« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2018, 03:36:47 pm »

barber barber a?
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« Reply #32 on: December 19, 2018, 03:50:03 pm »

b?
bb?
bbb?
bbbb?
bbbbb?
bbbbbb?
bbbbbbb?
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« Reply #33 on: December 19, 2018, 04:51:34 pm »

boes barber bary barbies barring bs? (borry) No

barber barber a? No

b? Yes
bb? Yes
bbb? Yes
bbbb? Yes
bbbbb? Yes
bbbbbb? Yes
bbbbbbb? Yes
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« Reply #34 on: December 19, 2018, 05:04:16 pm »

Does the set of all sets that do not contain themselves contain itself? No

Request confirmation that you didn't make a mistake here.
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« Reply #35 on: December 19, 2018, 05:04:43 pm »

nvm.
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« Reply #36 on: December 19, 2018, 05:05:40 pm »

The rule is that the last word has to contain a letter that hasn't occurred before.
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« Reply #37 on: December 19, 2018, 07:37:09 pm »

Spicy.
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« Reply #38 on: December 20, 2018, 01:33:15 am »

The rule is that the last word has to contain a letter that hasn't occurred before.
Correct! Your turn  :)
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« Reply #39 on: December 20, 2018, 05:34:46 am »

I have a barber a rule
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« Reply #40 on: December 20, 2018, 05:48:17 am »

What is your answer to this question?
What about this one?
And this?
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical?
Got any carrots?
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« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2018, 05:57:33 am »

What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
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« Reply #42 on: December 20, 2018, 06:03:19 am »

Guess: The question contains the first line of a well-known Christmas carol <=> Yes
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« Reply #43 on: December 20, 2018, 07:15:07 am »

Guess: The question contains the first line of a well-known Christmas carol <=> Yes

Incorrect.
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« Reply #44 on: December 20, 2018, 11:09:45 am »

(You have to give a counterexample)
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« Reply #45 on: December 20, 2018, 12:20:28 pm »

 :-[ I read the rules now

The Set containing concatenations of Barbers exists Yes
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« Reply #46 on: December 20, 2018, 12:21:31 pm »

Barber?
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« Reply #47 on: December 20, 2018, 12:29:47 pm »

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox?
Does the QBF jump over the LD?
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox?
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump?
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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2018, 01:11:04 pm »

What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
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Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
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They are quick No
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« Reply #49 on: December 20, 2018, 01:20:23 pm »

Did Hitler do anything wrong?
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« Reply #50 on: December 20, 2018, 01:22:51 pm »

The set containing concatenations of barbers exists?
The set containing concatenations exists?
Barbers containing concatenations exist?
The Baron's barber exists?
The Set of Barbers exists?
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« Reply #51 on: December 20, 2018, 01:27:23 pm »

Did Hitler do anything wrong?
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« Reply #52 on: December 20, 2018, 01:34:17 pm »

Did Hitler do anything wrong?
<I would object to questions/answers which are so likely to cause offence if taken out of context.>

Sorry, I obviously meant it as a joke and thought anyone who would see it would understand the context, but of course don't feel obligated to answer if you don't want to silverspawn.
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« Reply #53 on: December 20, 2018, 01:37:45 pm »

What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
Does the QBF jump over the LD? No
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown No
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump? No
They are quick No
They used to be lazy, yes? No

Did Hitler do anything wrong? No (no offense taken  ;))

The set containing concatenations of barbers exists? Yes
The set containing concatenations exists? Yes
Barbers containing concatenations exist? Yes
The Baron's barber exists? No
The Set of Barbers exists? No
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« Reply #54 on: December 20, 2018, 01:38:49 pm »

wheeeeeeeeeee?
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« Reply #55 on: December 20, 2018, 01:53:39 pm »

wheeeeeeeeeee? No
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« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2018, 01:57:09 pm »

Guess: The question must contain a word at least 14 letters long.
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« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2018, 01:59:29 pm »

Guess: The question must contain a word at least 14 letters long.

It doesn't Yes
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« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2018, 03:06:14 pm »

Doesn't it?
Concatenations?
Doesn't?
Detonates?
Stone?
Existence concatenates?
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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2018, 03:07:29 pm »

What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
Does the QBF jump over the LD? No
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown No
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump? No
They are quick No
They used to be lazy, yes? No

Did Hitler do anything wrong? No (no offense taken  ;))

The set containing concatenations of barbers exists? Yes
The set containing concatenations exists? Yes
Barbers containing concatenations exist? Yes
The Baron's barber exists? No
The Set of Barbers exists? No

Doesn't it? Yes
Concatenations? No
Doesn't? No
Detonates? No
Stone? No
Existence concatenates? Yes
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« Reply #60 on: December 20, 2018, 03:13:56 pm »

Does it not?
Stone it?
In stone?
It concatenates?
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« Reply #61 on: December 20, 2018, 03:37:01 pm »

What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
Does the QBF jump over the LD? No
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown No
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump? No
They are quick No
They used to be lazy, yes? No

Did Hitler do anything wrong? No (no offense taken  ;))

The set containing concatenations of barbers exists? Yes
The set containing concatenations exists? Yes
Barbers containing concatenations exist? Yes
The Baron's barber exists? No
The Set of Barbers exists? No

Doesn't it? Yes
Concatenations? No
Doesn't? No
Detonates? No
Stone? No
Existence concatenates? Yes

Does it not? No
Stone it? Yes
In stone? Yes
It concatenates? Yes
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« Reply #62 on: December 21, 2018, 03:26:57 am »

Stone h?
Stone i?
Stone j?
In a stone?
In the stone?
Which stone?
This stone?
This one?
In Sento?
In Zendo?
Canoeist q?
In thequickbrownfoxjumpsoverthelazydog?
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« Reply #63 on: December 21, 2018, 03:32:11 am »

Stone h? No
Stone i? No
Stone j? No
In a stone? No
In the stone? No
Which stone? No
This stone? Yes
This one? No
In Sento? Yes
In Zendo? Yes
Canoeist q? No
In thequickbrownfoxjumpsoverthelazydog? Yes
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« Reply #64 on: December 21, 2018, 04:27:56 am »

It concatenatez?
In question?
This question?
This canoeist?
In one?
Detonates this?
Tin stone?
Dhiz zdone?
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« Reply #65 on: December 21, 2018, 05:00:30 am »

It concatenatez?  Yes
In question?  Yes
This question?  Yes
This canoeist?  Yes
In one?  Yes
Detonates this?  Yes
Tin stone?  Yes
Dhiz zdone?  Yes
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« Reply #66 on: December 21, 2018, 05:50:51 am »

ab bc?
ab cd?
ab bc cd de ef fg gh?
ab bc cd de ef gh hi?
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« Reply #67 on: December 21, 2018, 07:11:51 am »

What is your answer to this question? No
What about this one? No
And this? No
Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
Got any carrots? No

Barber? No

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog No
Does the lazy brown dog jump over the quick fox? No
Does the QBF jump over the LD? No
Does the quick dog jump over the lazy brown fox? No
The Dog and the Fox are both Brown No
Do the Brown Dog and Brown Fox both jump? No
They are quick No
They used to be lazy, yes? No

Did Hitler do anything wrong? No (no offense taken  ;))

The set containing concatenations of barbers exists? Yes
The set containing concatenations exists? Yes
Barbers containing concatenations exist? Yes
The Baron's barber exists? No
The Set of Barbers exists? No

Doesn't it? Yes
Concatenations? No
Doesn't? No
Detonates? No
Stone? No
Existence concatenates? Yes

Does it not? No
Stone it? Yes
In stone? Yes
It concatenates? Yes
Does it not? No
Stone it? Yes
In stone? Yes
It concatenates? Yes

It concatenatez?  Yes
In question?  Yes
This question?  Yes
This canoeist?  Yes
In one?  Yes
Detonates this?  Yes
Tin stone?  Yes
Dhiz zdone?  Yes

ab bc? Yes
ab cd? No
ab bc cd de ef fg gh? Yes
ab bc cd de ef gh hi? Yes
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« Reply #68 on: December 21, 2018, 07:19:23 am »

Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
<Please could you confirm this answer is correct?>
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« Reply #69 on: December 21, 2018, 07:37:45 am »

Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? No
<Please could you confirm this answer is correct?>
No

... because it's not, sorry. Even though I double checked the answers  :-\

Would your answer to this question be any different were it not hypothetical? Yes
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« Reply #70 on: December 21, 2018, 07:53:10 am »

Thanks :) In that case:

Guess: Every word has an adjacent word which has a letter in common with it <==> Yes

That was hard! Especially when I went off on my stone tangent. I suppose I ended up there because s,t,o,n,e are some of the commonest letters in English.
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« Reply #71 on: December 21, 2018, 09:53:34 am »

Guess: Every word has an adjacent word which has a letter in common with it <==> Yes

Correct. Well done.

The plethora of NOs in the beginning was quite unfortunate, I think. NOs are more likely than YESs but not that much more likely. (If SP had proposed "Did Hitler do something wrong" rather than "Did Hitler do anything wrong" it would have been a yes.)

Your turn again.
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« Reply #72 on: December 21, 2018, 10:40:44 am »

I probably won't be on much for the rest of this year, so I'll let someone else take a turn.

Whoever gets in first?
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« Reply #73 on: December 21, 2018, 10:57:20 am »

May I try? If yes, I have a rule.
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« Reply #74 on: December 21, 2018, 11:01:29 am »

Go for it! ?
It's a difficult one, isn't it?
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« Reply #75 on: December 21, 2018, 11:03:44 am »

Go for it! ? Yes
It's a difficult one, isn't it? Yes
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« Reply #76 on: December 21, 2018, 11:13:34 am »

Let's
Let's start
Let's start with
Let's start with some
Let's start with some systematic
Let's start with some systematic testing.

test
test test
test test test
test test test test

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better with very short sentences or with really long sentences that have a lot of words, btw I hope this isn't too much work to annotate for you, but you signed up for it

also I'll try sth with shrt wrds that may make it esir or hrdr not sure yet
conventionalities  Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis circumventingusiamadeupword
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« Reply #77 on: December 21, 2018, 12:09:54 pm »

Let's Yes
Let's start No
Let's start with Yes
Let's start with some No
Let's start with some systematic No
Let's start with some systematic testing. Yes

test Yes
test test No
test test test No
test test test test Yes

let's Yes
also Yes
see No
whether Yes
it No
works No
better with very short sentences or with really long sentences that have a lot of words, btw I hope this isn't too much work to annotate for you, but you signed up for it No

also I'll try sth with shrt wrds that may make it esir or hrdr not sure yet No
conventionalities  Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis circumventingusiamadeupword No
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« Reply #78 on: December 21, 2018, 02:12:14 pm »

Guess: The number of letters in the question is congruent to 1 mod 3.
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« Reply #79 on: December 21, 2018, 02:45:57 pm »

Guess: The number of letters in the question is congruent to 1 mod 3.

Okay, this was that easy. I thought it would be easy, but not that :) You turn, good sir!
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« Reply #80 on: December 21, 2018, 02:51:54 pm »

Guess: The number of letters in the question is congruent to 1 mod 3.

Okay, this was that easy. I thought it would be easy, but not that :) You turn, good sir!

I don't think it would have been quite that easy, except silverspawn asked the perfect set of questions for it.

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« Reply #81 on: December 21, 2018, 03:07:19 pm »

Do you?

Do you really?

And if you wouldn't've?
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Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No
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« Reply #83 on: December 21, 2018, 03:12:28 pm »

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question?
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question?
Do I have any idea what questions to ask?
Is it enough to read both threads for it?
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« Reply #84 on: December 21, 2018, 03:25:45 pm »

Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
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« Reply #85 on: December 21, 2018, 03:26:16 pm »

bouncing?
bouncing baby?
bouncing baby bunnies?
bouncing baby bunnies burning?
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly?

Fluttershy?
Fluttershy Fluttershy?
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy?
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« Reply #86 on: December 21, 2018, 03:28:13 pm »

Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes
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« Reply #87 on: December 21, 2018, 03:28:48 pm »

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence?
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« Reply #88 on: December 21, 2018, 03:32:35 pm »

Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes
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« Reply #89 on: December 21, 2018, 03:34:24 pm »

bouncing burning?
baby burning?
bunnies burning?
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« Reply #90 on: December 21, 2018, 03:39:30 pm »

Am I a Londoner?
Positive about that?
Do I live in London?
So you'll agree with me that I'm not?
Do I love London so?
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right?
Is any of that affected by Brexit?
Can we keep Brexit out of this?
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« Reply #91 on: December 21, 2018, 03:42:46 pm »

Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer?
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« Reply #92 on: December 21, 2018, 03:43:34 pm »

Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes

bouncing burning? No
baby burning? No
bunnies burning? Yes

Am I a Londoner? No
Positive about that? No
Do I live in London? No
So you'll agree with me that I'm not? Yes
Do I love London so? No
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this? Yes
Ta very much. No

Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer? Yes
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« Reply #93 on: December 21, 2018, 03:54:59 pm »

bouncing baby bunnies burning can?
Fluttershy you?
bunnies burning turn?
So you'll agree with me that I'm not a?
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right yes?
Is any of that affected by Brexit into?
Can we keep Brexit out of this a?
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« Reply #94 on: December 21, 2018, 03:57:12 pm »

Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes

bouncing burning? No
baby burning? No
bunnies burning? Yes

Am I a Londoner? No
Positive about that? No
Do I live in London? No
So you'll agree with me that I'm not? Yes
Do I love London so? No
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this? Yes
Ta very much. No

Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer? Yes

bouncing baby bunnies burning can? Yes
Fluttershy you? Yes
bunnies burning turn? Yes
So you'll agree with me that I'm not a? Yes
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right yes? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit into? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this a? Yes
Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer no? Yes
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« Reply #95 on: December 21, 2018, 04:17:29 pm »

bunnies?
burning?
burning bunnies?
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« Reply #96 on: December 21, 2018, 04:22:51 pm »

rat rat cube?
can I wolf wolf you?
haus haus dorf topology?
will will repetitions always cause a yes?
or is there a case of a counterexample?
willIi ever ever find out?
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« Reply #97 on: December 21, 2018, 04:27:46 pm »

Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes

bouncing burning? No
baby burning? No
bunnies burning? Yes

Am I a Londoner? No
Positive about that? No
Do I live in London? No
So you'll agree with me that I'm not? Yes
Do I love London so? No
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this? Yes
Ta very much. No

Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer? Yes

bouncing baby bunnies burning can? Yes
Fluttershy you? Yes
bunnies burning turn? Yes
So you'll agree with me that I'm not a? Yes
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right yes? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit into? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this a? Yes
Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer no? Yes

bunnies? No
burning? No
burning bunnies? Yes

rat rat cube? No
can I wolf wolf you? No
haus haus dorf topology? Yes
will will repetitions always cause a yes? Yes
or is there a case of a counterexample? Yes
willIi ever ever find out? No
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« Reply #98 on: December 21, 2018, 04:30:11 pm »

Fluttershy rat rat cube?
Fluttershy bouncing burning?
Fluttershy ta very much?
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« Reply #99 on: December 21, 2018, 04:32:08 pm »

yes a cause always repetitions will will?
topology dorf haus haus?
counterexample a of case a there is or?
Not I'm that me with agree you'll so?
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« Reply #100 on: December 21, 2018, 04:38:18 pm »

Do you? No
Do you really? No
And if you wouldn't've? No

Are you going to answer "Yes" to the next question? Yes
Are you gonna answer "No" to the previous question? Yes
Do I have any idea what questions to ask? No
Is it enough to read both threads for it? Yes

bouncing? No
bouncing baby? No
bouncing baby bunnies? No
bouncing baby bunnies burning? Yes
bouncing baby bunnies burning brightly? Yes

Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy? Yes
Fluttershy Fluttershy Fluttsrshy? Yes

silver, do you know you made a typo in the last fluttershy sequence? Yes

bouncing burning? No
baby burning? No
bunnies burning? Yes

Am I a Londoner? No
Positive about that? No
Do I live in London? No
So you'll agree with me that I'm not? Yes
Do I love London so? No
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this? Yes
Ta very much. No

Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer? Yes

bouncing baby bunnies burning can? Yes
Fluttershy you? Yes
bunnies burning turn? Yes
So you'll agree with me that I'm not a? Yes
That's because I'm not a Londoner, right yes? Yes
Is any of that affected by Brexit into? Yes
Can we keep Brexit out of this a? Yes
Only because you told me, but will I make this a question for scott to answer no? Yes

bunnies? No
burning? No
burning bunnies? Yes

rat rat cube? No
can I wolf wolf you? No
haus haus dorf topology? Yes
will will repetitions always cause a yes? Yes
or is there a case of a counterexample? Yes
willIi ever ever find out? No

Fluttershy rat rat cube? Yes
Fluttershy bouncing burning? Yes
Fluttershy ta very much? Yes

yes a cause always repetitions will will? Yes
topology dorf haus haus? Yes
counterexample a of case a there is or? Yes
Not I'm that me with agree you'll so? Yes
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« Reply #101 on: December 21, 2018, 04:50:01 pm »

Do you, Fluttershy?
Do you really, Fluttershy?
And if you wouldn't've, Fluttershy?
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« Reply #102 on: December 21, 2018, 04:54:44 pm »

Do you, Fluttershy? Yes
Do you really, Fluttershy? Yes
And if you wouldn't've, Fluttershy? Yes
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« Reply #103 on: December 21, 2018, 05:14:12 pm »

I burning?
It burning?
Its burning?
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« Reply #104 on: December 21, 2018, 05:15:39 pm »

I burning? No
It burning? No
Its burning? Yes
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« Reply #105 on: December 21, 2018, 05:21:23 pm »

babies burning?
houses burning?
clans burning?
fires burning?
can burning?
tan burning?
fun burning?
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« Reply #106 on: December 21, 2018, 05:31:19 pm »

babies burning? Yes
houses burning? Yes
clans burning? Yes
fires burning? Yes
can burning? No
tan burning? No
fun burning? No
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« Reply #107 on: December 21, 2018, 05:34:19 pm »

burnings?
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« Reply #108 on: December 21, 2018, 05:41:12 pm »

burnings? Yes
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« Reply #109 on: December 21, 2018, 05:45:00 pm »

Say, is it at all imaginable that you chose a way of distinguishing yes and no just based on a few specific symbols being in the sentence?
To be more particular, could it be that they're a character and another character, one of which didn't appear here, the other not above?
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« Reply #110 on: December 21, 2018, 05:47:18 pm »

Say, is it at all imaginable that you chose a way of distinguishing yes and no just based on a few specific symbols being in the sentence? No
To be more particular, could it be that they're a character and another character, one of which didn't appear here, the other not above? No
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« Reply #111 on: December 21, 2018, 05:50:42 pm »

I think you're lying!
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« Reply #112 on: December 21, 2018, 05:50:58 pm »

Guess: the sentence has to contain both an r and an s
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« Reply #113 on: December 21, 2018, 06:02:22 pm »

Yep, your turn!
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« Reply #114 on: December 21, 2018, 06:06:12 pm »

I suggest a rule that only read words or commonly known names are allowed. Then a) we can have rules based on syllables, and b) it just seems more fun. What do you guys think about this?

Regardless, I have a rule.
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« Reply #115 on: December 21, 2018, 06:06:39 pm »

*real words
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« Reply #116 on: December 21, 2018, 06:25:44 pm »

Are you sure thatís such a good idea?
What if it goes horribly wrong?
Could it make it more enjoyable?
Do we absolutely have to?
Why canít we make rules about syllables now?
Is this a rule about syllables?
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes?
Is this no?
Is a question with the word syllable a yes?
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« Reply #117 on: December 21, 2018, 06:50:11 pm »

Are you sure thatís such a good idea? Yes
What if it goes horribly wrong? No
Could it make it more enjoyable? Yes
Do we absolutely have to? No
Why canít we make rules about syllables now? No
Is this a rule about syllables? No
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes? No
Is this no? No
Is a question with the word syllable a yes? No
Will you answer all of these questions? No
Have I asked too many? Yes
Can someone please help me stop? Yes
Do I have much better things to be doing? No
Am I woefully behind on my Christmas shopping? Yes
Am I also behind on work? No
Is this enough to solve your rule? Yes
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« Reply #118 on: December 21, 2018, 08:57:15 pm »

Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech?
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds?
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings?
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas?
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« Reply #119 on: December 21, 2018, 10:22:27 pm »

How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect?
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« Reply #120 on: December 22, 2018, 02:43:20 am »

Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech? No
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds? No
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings? No
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas? No

How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect? Yes

(probably rare enough that I wouldn't worry about it)
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« Reply #121 on: December 23, 2018, 12:51:42 am »

does order matter?
does matter order?
order does matter?
order matter does?
matter does order?
matter order does?
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« Reply #122 on: December 23, 2018, 02:55:20 am »

Are you sure thatís such a good idea? Yes
What if it goes horribly wrong? No
Could it make it more enjoyable? Yes
Do we absolutely have to? No
Why canít we make rules about syllables now? No
Is this a rule about syllables? No
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes? No
Is this no? No
Is a question with the word syllable a yes? No
Will you answer all of these questions? No
Have I asked too many? Yes
Can someone please help me stop? Yes
Do I have much better things to be doing? No
Am I woefully behind on my Christmas shopping? Yes
Am I also behind on work? No
Is this enough to solve your rule? Yes

Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech? No
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds? No
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings? No
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas? No

How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect? Yes

does order matter? Yes
does matter order? Yes
order does matter? Yes
order matter does? Yes
matter does order? Yes
matter order does? Yes
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« Reply #123 on: December 26, 2018, 07:27:17 pm »

Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten your rule?
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten?
Have we waited long enough?
Have we waited?
Have we?
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« Reply #124 on: December 27, 2018, 04:09:17 am »

Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten your rule? Yes
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten? Yes
Have we waited long enough? No
Have we waited? No
Have we? Yes
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« Reply #125 on: December 27, 2018, 03:34:48 pm »

Have rule?
Have forgotten?
Have enough?
Have waited?
Have?
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« Reply #126 on: December 27, 2018, 05:54:35 pm »

Have rule? Yes
Have forgotten? No
Have enough? Yes
Have waited? Yes
Have? No
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« Reply #127 on: December 30, 2018, 08:20:35 pm »

Verse?
Verses?
Server?
Severe?
Reverse?
Reverses?
Reserves?
Reverser?
Reversers?
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« Reply #128 on: December 31, 2018, 03:15:59 am »

Are you sure thatís such a good idea? Yes
What if it goes horribly wrong? No
Could it make it more enjoyable? Yes
Do we absolutely have to? No
Why canít we make rules about syllables now? No
Is this a rule about syllables? No
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes? No
Is this no? No
Is a question with the word syllable a yes? No
Will you answer all of these questions? No
Have I asked too many? Yes
Can someone please help me stop? Yes
Do I have much better things to be doing? No
Am I woefully behind on my Christmas shopping? Yes
Am I also behind on work? No
Is this enough to solve your rule? Yes

Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech? No
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds? No
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings? No
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas? No

How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect? Yes

does order matter? Yes
does matter order? Yes
order does matter? Yes
order matter does? Yes
matter does order? Yes
matter order does? Yes

Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten your rule? Yes
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten? Yes
Have we waited long enough? No
Have we waited? No
Have we? Yes

Have rule? Yes
Have forgotten? No
Have enough? Yes
Have waited? Yes
Have? No

Verse? Yes
Verses? No
Server? No
Severe? No
Reverse? Yes
Reverses? No
Reserves? No
Reverser? No
Reversers? Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #129 on: December 31, 2018, 01:33:48 pm »

Why is this rule so hard?
Can you give us a hint?
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« Reply #130 on: December 31, 2018, 01:50:37 pm »

Guess: "Yes" iff. the question has an even number of characters.
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« Reply #131 on: December 31, 2018, 06:05:11 pm »

Guess: "Yes" iff. the question has an even number of characters.

No not quite No
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« Reply #132 on: December 31, 2018, 06:06:41 pm »

Why is this rule so hard? No
Can you give us a hint? No
Do I think Scott is close? Yes
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« Reply #133 on: December 31, 2018, 06:59:50 pm »

Guess: yes iff the question contains an odd number of non-? characters.
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« Reply #134 on: January 01, 2019, 02:29:08 am »

not quite Yes
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« Reply #135 on: January 01, 2019, 02:48:52 am »

Isn't that consistent with my guess?
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« Reply #136 on: January 01, 2019, 04:20:26 am »

I think

not quite

has 8 characters, that's an even number.
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #137 on: January 01, 2019, 01:14:46 pm »

Oh, I've been counting spaces. So something like "parity of number of words is the same as parity of number of letters" would be equivalent to what I was trying to say.

Also, I keep confusing myself on punctuation because the questions with apostrophes in them are long. Let's try this:

You're?
We're?
Were?
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« Reply #138 on: January 01, 2019, 01:27:58 pm »

Are you sure thatís such a good idea? Yes
What if it goes horribly wrong? No
Could it make it more enjoyable? Yes
Do we absolutely have to? No
Why canít we make rules about syllables now? No
Is this a rule about syllables? No
Does the question need a three syllable word to be yes? No
Is this no? No
Is a question with the word syllable a yes? No
Will you answer all of these questions? No
Have I asked too many? Yes
Can someone please help me stop? Yes
Do I have much better things to be doing? No
Am I woefully behind on my Christmas shopping? Yes
Am I also behind on work? No
Is this enough to solve your rule? Yes

Another advantage of that is that people can make rules based on parts of speech? No
As well as pronunciation-based things other than just syllables, like long or short vowel sounds? No
Maybe the more general principle is that there are more well-defined qualities of English words than there are of general strings? No
But people might be tempted to make rules that get into gray areas? No

How about the problem that arises when English pronunciation isn't uniform everywhere in the world and some words can even have a varying number of syllables depending on the dialect? Yes

does order matter? Yes
does matter order? Yes
order does matter? Yes
order matter does? Yes
matter does order? Yes
matter order does? Yes

Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten your rule? Yes
Have we waited long enough that you've forgotten? Yes
Have we waited long enough? No
Have we waited? No
Have we? Yes

Have rule? Yes
Have forgotten? No
Have enough? Yes
Have waited? Yes
Have? No

Verse? Yes
Verses? No
Server? No
Severe? No
Reverse? Yes
Reverses? No
Reserves? No
Reverser? No
Reversers? Yes

No not quite No

Why is this rule so hard? No
Can you give us a hint? No
Do I think Scott is close? Yes

not quite Yes

You're? Yes
We're? No
Were? No
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #139 on: January 01, 2019, 03:21:44 pm »

Happy new year?
Oh, sad 2 hear that.
Please-can-I-check-a-couple-of-things?
Is this a trick  question?
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« Reply #140 on: January 01, 2019, 04:04:02 pm »

Happy new year? No
Oh, sad 2 hear that. No
Please-can-I-check-a-couple-of-things? No
Is this a trick  question? No

Furthermore Yes

Happy new year No
Oh sad hear that No
PleasecanIcheckacoupleofthings No
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #141 on: January 01, 2019, 04:17:30 pm »

Guess: Yes iff. even number of lowercase letters.
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #142 on: January 01, 2019, 04:57:23 pm »

Casing Matters No
Casing matters No
casing Matters No
casing matters No
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #143 on: January 02, 2019, 03:47:03 am »

I haven't checked every single question, but this seems consistent with the ones I have.

Guess: Number of letters + Number of words is even <=> yes
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« Reply #144 on: January 02, 2019, 03:49:04 am »

I haven't checked every single question, but this seems consistent with the ones I have.

Guess: Number of letters + Number of words is even <=> yes
<but if it is this, then Scott got it at #137, just without saying 'guess'>
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« Reply #145 on: January 02, 2019, 03:54:41 am »

Actually, I'd 4gotten one of my experiments.
It could also be:

Guess: Number of alphanumeric characters + Number of words is even <=> yes
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« Reply #146 on: January 02, 2019, 04:59:55 am »

Actually, I'd 4gotten one of my experiments.
It could also be:

Guess: Number of alphanumeric characters + Number of words is even <=> yes

hah, I was phrasing it as "the number of words with an even number of characters is even" but those two conditions are equivalent. (With both, adding an odd-numbered word does nothing, and adding an even-numbered word flips it). So, correct! Well done.

Was this rule too hard?
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« Reply #147 on: January 02, 2019, 06:12:14 am »

Was this rule too hard?
I can't really comment as I was absent for most of it and Scott did the hard work. After #127 it didn't seem too hard; I'd had thoughts of similar rules.

It seems like these three are equivalent, the only difference being what counts as a character:
- parity of number of words is the same as parity of number of letters (scott)
- number of alphanumeric characters + number of words is even (me)
- the number of words with an even number of characters is even (silverspawn)

But I'm going to claim it anyway. 8)
I have a rule
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #148 on: January 02, 2019, 06:46:09 am »

Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess.
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #149 on: January 02, 2019, 06:48:02 am »

Did I only count a-z characters?
Parity?
Parity Parity?
Parity Parity Parity?
parity parity parity?
parity parity parity parity?

Is?
Our?
Game?
Still?
Orange?
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« Reply #150 on: January 02, 2019, 07:26:11 am »

Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess. No

Did I only count a-z characters? No
Parity? Yes
Parity Parity? No
Parity Parity Parity? No
parity parity parity? Yes
parity parity parity parity? Yes

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« Reply #151 on: January 02, 2019, 08:08:38 am »

Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess.
It's one of those words that probably doesn't really mean what we're using it to mean but we can get away with it so long as everyone rolls with it.
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« Reply #152 on: January 02, 2019, 08:17:22 am »

Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess.
It's one of those words that probably doesn't really mean what we're using it to mean but we can get away with it so long as everyone rolls with it.
I'd argue that if everyone thinks a word means X then the word means X. Which is to say, the meaning is defined by what people think.
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #153 on: January 02, 2019, 08:18:53 am »

casing?
casing casing?
casing casing casing?
casing casing Casing?
casing Casing casing?
casing Casing Casing?
Casing casing casing?
Casing casing Casing?
Casing Casing casing?
Casing Casing Casing?
Casing Casing?
Casing?
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« Reply #154 on: January 02, 2019, 09:34:10 am »

casing? Yes
casing casing? Yes
casing casing casing? Yes
casing casing Casing? No
casing Casing casing? No
casing Casing Casing? No
Casing casing casing? Yes
Casing casing Casing? No
Casing Casing casing? No
Casing Casing Casing? No
Casing Casing? No
Casing? Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #155 on: January 02, 2019, 10:00:00 am »

you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you need a cutie mark to be plot Relevant?
you need a cutie mark to be Plot relevant?
you need a cutie mark to Be plot relevant?
you need a cutie mark To be plot relevant?
you need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
you need a Cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
you need A cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
you Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
You Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant?
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« Reply #156 on: January 02, 2019, 10:01:29 am »

Did I mess up with the last four lines?
Did i mess up with the last four lines?

you need a Cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you need A cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you Need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
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« Reply #157 on: January 02, 2019, 05:05:11 pm »

you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
you need a cutie mark to be plot Relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to be Plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to Be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark To be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a Cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
You Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No

Did I mess up with the last four lines? No
Did i mess up with the last four lines? Yes

you need a Cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
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« Reply #158 on: January 02, 2019, 05:20:48 pm »

you nEed a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you neEd a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
you need a cutIe mark to be plot relevant?
you need a cutiE mark to be plot relevant?
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« Reply #159 on: January 02, 2019, 06:41:29 pm »

yoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
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« Reply #160 on: January 03, 2019, 04:45:55 am »

you nEed a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you neEd a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutIe mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutiE mark to be plot relevant? No

yoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No

Do I know what a cutie mark is? No
Is my name Mark? No
Do I need a cutie? No
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #161 on: January 03, 2019, 07:11:27 am »

Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
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« Reply #162 on: January 03, 2019, 07:19:25 am »

Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
Incorrect, counter-example is:
Did I only count a-z characters? No
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« Reply #163 on: January 03, 2019, 08:43:57 am »

That is not a counter example, though. I is uppercase.

Although I should specify that I meant: no letter besides the first is uppercase since uppercase letters later in the first word also aren't ok
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« Reply #164 on: January 03, 2019, 08:55:56 am »

That is not a counter example, though. I is uppercase.

Although I should specify that I meant: no letter besides the first is uppercase since uppercase letters later in the first word also aren't ok
Oops, sorry, I missed that. I'll try again.

Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
Incorrect. Counter-example is:
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No
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« Reply #165 on: January 03, 2019, 09:00:13 am »

And I'll give you a bonus counter-example:
I Think this game never was orange. Yes
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« Reply #166 on: January 03, 2019, 09:34:13 am »

Ah, I was hoping that one had been a mistake.
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« Reply #167 on: January 04, 2019, 05:08:17 am »

Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess. No

Did I only count a-z characters? No
Parity? Yes
Parity Parity? No
Parity Parity Parity? No
parity parity parity? Yes
parity parity parity parity? Yes

Is? Yes
Our? Yes
Game? Yes
Still? Yes
Orange? Yes

casing? Yes
casing casing? Yes
casing casing casing? Yes
casing casing Casing? No
casing Casing casing? No
casing Casing Casing? No
Casing casing casing? Yes
Casing casing Casing? No
Casing Casing casing? No
Casing Casing Casing? No
Casing Casing? No
Casing? Yes

you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
you need a cutie mark to be plot Relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to be Plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to Be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark To be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a Cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
You Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No

Did I mess up with the last four lines? No
Did i mess up with the last four lines? Yes

you need a Cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes

you nEed a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you neEd a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutIe mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutiE mark to be plot relevant? No

yoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No

Do I know what a cutie mark is? No
Is my name Mark? No
Do I need a cutie? No
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No

Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
Counterexample: I Think this game never was orange. Yes

Although I should specify that I meant: no letter besides the first is uppercase since uppercase letters later in the first word also aren't ok No

Ah, I was hoping that one had been a mistake. No
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« Reply #168 on: January 22, 2019, 10:27:59 pm »

DOES THis question return yes?
WHEREAS THIS One maybe returns NO?
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« Reply #169 on: January 23, 2019, 02:39:12 pm »

DOES THis question return yes? Yes
WHEREAS THIS One maybe returns NO? Yes
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« Reply #170 on: January 23, 2019, 11:39:21 pm »

YOu?
YoU?
You?
You Need?
I think, therefore I am?
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« Reply #171 on: January 23, 2019, 11:42:07 pm »

I think this game never was orange?
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« Reply #172 on: January 24, 2019, 04:22:02 am »

YOu? Yes
YoU? Yes
You? Yes
You Need? No
I think, therefore I am? No

I think this game never was orange? Yes
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« Reply #173 on: February 26, 2019, 08:55:02 pm »

No capital letter is preceded by _____?
Is there something That can fill in the blank above, to produce a correct guess?
Is There?
Is there Something?
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« Reply #174 on: February 27, 2019, 12:19:17 am »

Hello?
Hello HELLO?
Hello Goodbye?
Hello, HELLO?
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« Reply #175 on: February 27, 2019, 04:11:46 am »

Oh, parity. That's what parity means. Yes, then scott was trying to say that, but he never made a correct official guess. No

Did I only count a-z characters? No
Parity? Yes
Parity Parity? No
Parity Parity Parity? No
parity parity parity? Yes
parity parity parity parity? Yes

Is? Yes
Our? Yes
Game? Yes
Still? Yes
Orange? Yes

casing? Yes
casing casing? Yes
casing casing casing? Yes
casing casing Casing? No
casing Casing casing? No
casing Casing Casing? No
Casing casing casing? Yes
Casing casing Casing? No
Casing Casing casing? No
Casing Casing Casing? No
Casing Casing? No
Casing? Yes

you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
you need a cutie mark to be plot Relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to be Plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark to Be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie mark To be plot relevant? No
you need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a Cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No
You Need a cutie Mark to be plot relevant? No

Did I mess up with the last four lines? No
Did i mess up with the last four lines? Yes

you need a Cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need A cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you Need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes

you nEed a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you neEd a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutIe mark to be plot relevant? No
you need a cutiE mark to be plot relevant? No

yoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No

Do I know what a cutie mark is? No
Is my name Mark? No
Do I need a cutie? No
Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No

Guess: no word after the first is uppercase <-> yes
Counterexample: I Think this game never was orange. Yes

Although I should specify that I meant: no letter besides the first is uppercase since uppercase letters later in the first word also aren't ok No

Ah, I was hoping that one had been a mistake. No

DOES THis question return yes? Yes
WHEREAS THIS One maybe returns NO? Yes

YOu? Yes
YoU? Yes
You? Yes
You Need? No
I think, therefore I am? No

I think this game never was orange? Yes

No capital letter is preceded by _____? Yes
Is there something That can fill in the blank above, to produce a correct guess? No
Is There? No
Is there Something? No
IS? Yes

Hello? Yes
Hello HELLO? Yes
Hello Goodbye? No
Hello, HELLO? Yes
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« Reply #176 on: February 27, 2019, 10:56:32 am »

Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions?
Maybe a more interesting rule wouldve led to more interesting questions?
Maybe a more interesting rule would have led to more interesting questions?

Does the apostrophe have an effect?
Will we find out soon?
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« Reply #177 on: February 28, 2019, 04:29:46 am »

Maybe a more interesting rule would've led to more interesting questions? No
Maybe a more interesting rule wouldve led to more interesting questions? Yes
Maybe a more interesting rule would have led to more interesting questions? Yes

Does the apostrophe have an effect? Yes
Will we find out soon? Yes
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« Reply #178 on: February 28, 2019, 05:36:34 am »

Why ask.
Questions Are pointless.
But pontuation is not..
Pontuation exists. .
Awkward questions.. . .
"Questions"
"Questions
"Questions?
Do all of them do this: lets try it out
Hmm: let's
Everything should work; right?
I Am Right, Right?
I Am Wrong, right?
I Am right, Wrong?
What about
Nothing
not even
aspace
Dot.
dot.

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« Reply #179 on: February 28, 2019, 10:11:37 am »

You need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? Yes
...
YoU need a cutie mark to be plot relevant? No
...
YoU? Yes

Are all three of these correct?
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« Reply #180 on: February 28, 2019, 10:31:41 am »

Nevermind.
Guess: the only uppercase letters and punctuation are at the beginning and end of the question <-> yes
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« Reply #181 on: February 28, 2019, 02:26:24 pm »

Nevermind.
Guess: the only uppercase letters and punctuation are at the beginning and end of the question <-> yes

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« Reply #182 on: February 28, 2019, 02:53:12 pm »

Why ask. Yes
Questions Are pointless. No
But pontuation is not.. Yes
Pontuation exists. . Yes
Awkward questions.. . . Yes
"Questions" Yes
"Questions Yes
"Questions? Yes
Do all of them do this: lets try it out No
Hmm: let's No
Everything should work; right? No
I Am Right, Right? No
I Am Wrong, right? No
I Am right, Wrong? No
What about Yes
Nothing Yes
not even Yes
aspace Yes
Dot. Yes
dot. Yes

Well, that was fun! No
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« Reply #183 on: February 28, 2019, 02:58:10 pm »

Guess: the only uppercase letters and punctuation are at the beginning and end of the question <-> yes

Correct! Or near enough. My wording was "between the first and last lowercase letters there is nothing but lowercase letters and spaces". So I'd have to introduce numbers or something to make a counterexample.
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« Reply #184 on: February 28, 2019, 03:26:10 pm »

I have a new rule.
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« Reply #185 on: February 28, 2019, 03:35:03 pm »

Does it exist?
Can I solve it?
Does it involve asking questions?
Can I
Do dumb things?
Like, this, ya know...
ExIsTs In ThIs ReAlItY?
Things don'T Make sensE?
Iforgotwhatrulesusuallycareabout.
Maybe...thaaaaat
how about a lot of words that make a lot of sense when put together like this but then you realize that they dont really no
aaaaaaa bbbbbbb
     ?
!!!!
asd asd asd dsa dsa dsa?
words sdrow?
palindromes are fun nuf era semordnilap?
"Hey man"?
Question?
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« Reply #186 on: February 28, 2019, 03:56:22 pm »

Does it exist? No
Can I solve it? No
Does it involve asking questions? No
Can I No
Do dumb things? No
Like, this, ya know... No
ExIsTs In ThIs ReAlItY? No
Things don'T Make sensE? No
Iforgotwhatrulesusuallycareabout. No
Maybe...thaaaaat No
how about a lot of words that make a lot of sense when put together like this but then you realize that they dont really no No
aaaaaaa bbbbbbb No
     ? No
!!!! No
asd asd asd dsa dsa dsa? No
words sdrow? No
palindromes are fun nuf era semordnilap? No
"Hey man"? No
Question? No
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« Reply #187 on: February 28, 2019, 04:01:14 pm »

I hope it's not what I'm thinking?
I'll have to guess it if it is?
QUESTIONS EXIST, MAGGOT!
DOn't be this meeeean, pleeeease?
Something Simple.
Questions are overrated anyway.
But questions must be made?
That wasn't a question, or was it?
qwertyuopasdgfghkjzxczxcbvnm, that should roughtly be every letter, right?
1231234345435466576787980 also happens to be every number...
ANd now we can play the game called.,;.-_\|?Ľę'

" "

how do I make an empty question?
 ?
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one of these should work, yes, no, maybe; whatever.
Here Comes More Nos?
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« Reply #188 on: February 28, 2019, 04:01:31 pm »

Guess: The answer is always "No"
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« Reply #189 on: February 28, 2019, 04:13:00 pm »

I hope it's not what I'm thinking? No
I'll have to guess it if it is? No
QUESTIONS EXIST, MAGGOT! No
DOn't be this meeeean, pleeeease? No
Something Simple. No
Questions are overrated anyway. No
But questions must be made? No
That wasn't a question, or was it? No
qwertyuopasdgfghkjzxczxcbvnm, that should roughtly be every letter, right? No
1231234345435466576787980 also happens to be every number... No
ANd now we can play the game called.,;.-_\|?Ľę' No

" " No

how do I make an empty question? No
 ? No
? No
one of these should work, yes, no, maybe; whatever. No
Here Comes More Nos? No

Guess: The answer is always "No"
Counterexample:

you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant?
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« Reply #190 on: February 28, 2019, 04:15:29 pm »

No....
parity?
Is?
There?
A?
Rule?
I don't believe it.
YOU NEED A CUTIE MARK TO BE PLOT RELEVANT?
oRANGE?
Anyone have better ideas?
Did you read THE ENTIRE THREAD?

Guess: The answer's yes iff it's a question asked in another rule in this thread.

While I'm at it:

Guess: The answer's yes iff it's a question asked in the previous rule.
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« Reply #191 on: February 28, 2019, 04:18:13 pm »

should I not have given up guessing the previous rule since it was so simple?
parity?
parity parity?
parity party?
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« Reply #192 on: February 28, 2019, 04:20:50 pm »

Who would win in a fight: Applejack or Rainbow Dash?
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« Reply #193 on: February 28, 2019, 04:31:34 pm »

Is lifting your opponent upwards and then dropping them down allowed?
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« Reply #194 on: February 28, 2019, 04:34:32 pm »

No.... No
parity? No
Is? No
There? No
A? No
Rule? No
I don't believe it. No
YOU NEED A CUTIE MARK TO BE PLOT RELEVANT? Yes
oRANGE? No
Anyone have better ideas? No
Did you read THE ENTIRE THREAD? No

Guess: The answer's yes iff it's a question asked in another rule in this thread.
Counterexample: Is mint chocolate chip a great ice cream flavor? Yes

While I'm at it: No

Guess: The answer's yes iff it's a question asked in the previous rule.
Counterexample: How long will this thread stay on this page? Yes

should I not have given up guessing the previous rule since it was so simple? No
parity? No
parity parity? No
parity party? No

Who would win in a fight: Applejack or Rainbow Dash? No
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« Reply #195 on: February 28, 2019, 05:06:55 pm »

Whoops, I made a mistake. Neither version of 'you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant' is actually a yes. No

Guess: The answer is always "No"
Actual counterexample: I should really plan ahead better, this is hard. Sorry about that. Yes
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« Reply #196 on: February 28, 2019, 05:11:26 pm »

Is lifting your opponent upwards and then dropping them down allowed? No
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« Reply #197 on: February 28, 2019, 05:29:11 pm »

Is mint chocolate chip a great ice cream flavoR?

iS MINT CHOCLATE CHIP A GREAT ICE CREAM FLAVOR?

Is Mint Chocolate Chip A Great ice Cream Flavor?

Flavor cream ice great a chip chocolate mint is?

Si tnim etalocochc pihc a taerg eci maerc rovalf?

Rovalf maerc eci taerg a pihc etalocochc tnim si?

Aa aaac ccccceeee fghh i iiill mmn ooopr rrsttv?

That was a lot of effort?
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« Reply #198 on: February 28, 2019, 05:39:01 pm »

Whoops, I made a mistake. Neither version of 'you need a cutie mark to be plot relevant' is actually a yes.

If you think deeply enough about this, you will realize that you're mistaken!
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« Reply #199 on: February 28, 2019, 05:52:54 pm »

Is mint chocolate chip a great ice cream flavoR? Yes

iS MINT CHOCLATE CHIP A GREAT ICE CREAM FLAVOR? Yes

Is Mint Chocolate Chip A Great ice Cream Flavor? Yes

Flavor cream ice great a chip chocolate mint is? Yes

Si tnim etalocochc pihc a taerg eci maerc rovalf? No

Rovalf maerc eci taerg a pihc etalocochc tnim si? No

Aa aaac ccccceeee fghh i iiill mmn ooopr rrsttv? No

That was a lot of effort? No


If you think deeply enough about this, you will realize that you're mistaken! No
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« Reply #200 on: February 28, 2019, 07:08:50 pm »

Guess: the string contains the name of a Dominion card-shaped thing <-> yes
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« Reply #201 on: February 28, 2019, 07:55:34 pm »

Guess: the string contains the name of a Dominion card-shaped thing <-> yes

Correct! (Although I was not including things like QUESTion)
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« Reply #202 on: March 01, 2019, 02:38:57 am »

I have a rule.
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« Reply #203 on: March 01, 2019, 03:05:22 am »

Wow?
Was that a good rule?
Is this a good rule?
I?
Words?
A lot of them at the same time?
Plenty of opportunities?
Did I spell that right?
Sentences Are Easier To Make.
howaboutsomethinglikethis?
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Things?
To?
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« Reply #204 on: March 01, 2019, 03:10:06 am »

Wow? No
Was that a good rule? No
Is this a good rule? No
I? No
Words? No
A lot of them at the same time? No
Plenty of opportunities? No
Did I spell that right? No
Sentences Are Easier To Make. No
howaboutsomethinglikethis? No
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Things? No
To? No
Let's see, does this work? I hope so; would be sweet. Yes
A-ha, gotcha! Wait, did I? No
QW22? No
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« Reply #205 on: March 01, 2019, 03:11:54 am »

Someone help me out here. No
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« Reply #206 on: March 01, 2019, 04:22:49 am »

1 + 1 = 2?
1 + 1 = 4?
1 + 1 = 6?
I see no short things?
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« Reply #207 on: March 01, 2019, 05:03:41 am »

Zendo Necro Mafia Codenames One Night Ulitmate Werewolf?
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To be?
Not to be?
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« Reply #208 on: March 01, 2019, 05:05:38 am »

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« Reply #209 on: March 01, 2019, 05:18:02 am »

1 + 1 = 2? Yes
1 + 1 = 4? Yes
1 + 1 = 6? Yes
I see no short things? No

Zendo Necro Mafia Codenames One Night Ulitmate Werewolf? Yes
To be or not to be? Yes
To be? No
Not to be? No
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NOT ((A AND B) XOR (A AND B))? Yes

do re me? Yes
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« Reply #210 on: March 01, 2019, 05:20:58 am »

Ah, a good rule
I see you're a man of culture as well
But tell me this: how much did you plan?
Can you answer this; that would be sweet.
Do questions exist? Hard question I know.
Others. Limit us.
2/4 + 6 - 2◊2/8 = 7?
No, no, =6?
Ha   hh  tty    haa   j?
Sorry about that...truly.
_______?
Let's ask <insert question here>.
"Question from above"?
#7 best number 2019.

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« Reply #211 on: March 01, 2019, 05:26:38 am »

Ah, a good rule Yes
I see you're a man of culture as well No
But tell me this: how much did you plan? Yes
Can you answer this; that would be sweet. Yes
Do questions exist? Hard question I know. No
Others. Limit us. No
2/4 + 6 - 2◊2/8 = 7? Yes
No, no, =6? Yes
Ha   hh  tty    haa   j? Yes
Sorry about that...truly. Yes
_______? No
Let's ask <insert question here>. No
"Question from above"? No
#7 best number 2019. No

I hope this helps? Yes
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« Reply #212 on: March 01, 2019, 05:32:09 am »

Guess: There are two consecutive words with the same number of characters, where 'words' are delineated by spaces and 'characters' include anything other than whitespace. <=> Yes
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« Reply #213 on: March 01, 2019, 05:33:22 am »

Guess: There are two consecutive words with the same number of characters, where 'words' are delineated by spaces and 'characters' include anything other than whitespace. <=> Yes

Correct.
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« Reply #214 on: March 01, 2019, 05:36:28 am »

Cool. I was on the right lines, then those last questions by MiX helped narrow it down.
I have a rule.
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #215 on: March 01, 2019, 05:43:37 am »

You guys are too fast!
Let a brother play with his punctuation, man.
Please?
I Forgot What Is Optimal?
Thingsarefunwhenyoudothesametestsoverandover?
Maybe. Maybe not?
3.
50?
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...?
QHOP?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #216 on: March 01, 2019, 05:57:16 am »

Is Scout the strongest card to ever be printed?
Is Trump the smartest president to ever be born?
do re me?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #217 on: March 01, 2019, 06:17:59 am »

You guys are too fast! Yes
Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
Please? Yes
I Forgot What Is Optimal? Yes
Thingsarefunwhenyoudothesametestsoverandover? Yes
Maybe. Maybe not? Yes
3. Yes
50? Yes
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No
QHOP? Yes

Is Scout the strongest card to ever be printed? Yes
Is Trump the smartest president to ever be born? Yes
do re me? Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #218 on: March 01, 2019, 06:31:57 am »

Did I win?
Sweeet, thanks!
But, why did I win?
Maybe...because of this?
There's also that.
However; lets not get ahead of ourselves.
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass?
________.....?
?
???
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #219 on: March 01, 2019, 07:01:15 am »

And god said,
let there be light.?
and the firmament
of the heavens!?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #220 on: March 01, 2019, 09:05:24 am »

Did I win? Yes
Sweeet, thanks! Yes
But, why did I win? Yes
Maybe...because of this? No Later re-ruled as: Yes
There's also that. Yes
However; lets not get ahead of ourselves. Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

And god said, Yes
let there be light.? Yes
and the firmament Yes
of the heavens!? Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #221 on: March 01, 2019, 10:36:21 am »

?
test?
test test?
test test test?
test test test test?
test test test test test?
test test test test test test?
test test test test test test test?
test test test test test test test test?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #222 on: March 01, 2019, 04:27:27 pm »

let there ? be light
in heaven to ? divide
? the day ? from the
night ? and ? let ?
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons
and for days and years
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #223 on: March 01, 2019, 04:41:31 pm »

Maybe...because of this?
Maybe...because?
of this?
because of?
Maybe...?
...because?
...?
Maybe because of this?
Maybe...because of?
...because of this?
because of this?
Maybe?
because?
of?
this?

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it?
Will this help us find out?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #224 on: March 02, 2019, 08:06:25 am »

? No
test? Yes
test test? Yes
test test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
night ? and ? let ? Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes
and for days and years Yes

Maybe...because of this? No Later re-ruled as: Yes
Maybe...because? Yes
of this? Yes
because of? No
Maybe...? Yes
...because? Yes
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes
...because of this? Yes
because of this? Yes
Maybe? Yes
because? Yes
of? Yes
this? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #225 on: March 02, 2019, 08:26:54 am »

Maybe...this?
this of because Maybe?
This of because maybe?
Of because maybe this?
of because?
this maybe because?

What about ! that makes this?
A thing, nay?
If we !ascend, what then?
?Questions?
A Lot Of very --- questions are?
int-eres-ting?
I know?? You are; confuze.
But; hmm?
What?? What happened?
Oh, this makes sense now...pity.

How many words can I put in one sentence and make it pass without any weird things?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #226 on: March 02, 2019, 09:49:27 am »

Firstly, apologies, I'm going to re-rule one thing because I confused myself with how to treat "..."
Maybe...because of this? Yes

Here's the complete list so far:

You guys are too fast! Yes
Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
Please? Yes
I Forgot What Is Optimal? Yes
Thingsarefunwhenyoudothesametestsoverandover? Yes
Maybe. Maybe not? Yes
3. Yes
50? Yes
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No
QHOP? Yes

Is Scout the strongest card to ever be printed? Yes
Is Trump the smartest president to ever be born? Yes
do re me? Yes

Did I win? Yes
Sweeet, thanks! Yes
But, why did I win? Yes
Maybe...because of this? Yes
There's also that. Yes
However; lets not get ahead of ourselves. Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

And god said, Yes
let there be light.? Yes
and the firmament Yes
of the heavens!? Yes

? No
test? Yes
test test? Yes
test test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
night ? and ? let ? Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes
and for days and years Yes

Maybe...because of this? Yes
Maybe...because? Yes
of this? Yes
because of? No
Maybe...? Yes
...because? Yes
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes
...because of this? Yes
because of this? Yes
Maybe? Yes
because? Yes
of? Yes
this? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes

Maybe...this? Yes
this of because Maybe? No
This of because maybe? No
Of because maybe this? No
of because? No
this maybe because? Yes

What about ! that makes this? Yes
A thing, nay? Yes
If we !ascend, what then? Yes
?Questions? Yes
A Lot Of very --- questions are? Yes
int-eres-ting? Yes
I know?? You are; confuze. Yes
But; hmm? Yes
What?? What happened? Yes
Oh, this makes sense now...pity. Yes

How many words can I put in one sentence and make it pass without any weird things? Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #227 on: March 02, 2019, 06:44:10 pm »

of?
of because?
of of because?
of of because because?
of maybe because?
maybe because?
of maybe?
of maybe maybe because?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #228 on: March 02, 2019, 07:08:20 pm »

beautify each emboss?
maybebecauseofthis?
aabbceeefhimosstuy?
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s?
Maybe because of this word?
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here?
Why am I fixating on maybe because of this?
infangthief?
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« Reply #229 on: March 03, 2019, 02:18:17 am »

of? Yes
of because? No
of of because? Yes
of of because because? No
of maybe because? Yes
maybe because? Yes
of maybe? No
of maybe maybe because? Yes

beautify each emboss? Yes
maybebecauseofthis? Yes
aabbceeefhimosstuy? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s? Yes
Maybe because of this word? Yes
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here? Yes
Why am I fixating on maybe because of this? Yes
infangthief? Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #230 on: March 03, 2019, 06:08:11 am »

of because of?
because of of?
because because of of?
because because because of of of?
because because because of of of of?
of?
of of?
because?
because because?
because because because because of of of of?
because because because because of of of of of?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #231 on: March 03, 2019, 02:36:03 pm »

of because of? Yes
because of of? Yes
because because of of? No
because because because of of of? No
because because because of of of of? Yes
of? Yes
of of? Yes
because? Yes
because because? Yes
because because because because of of of of? No
because because because because of of of of of? Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #232 on: March 03, 2019, 03:02:43 pm »

of of?
because of of of?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #233 on: March 03, 2019, 03:04:55 pm »

Requesting confirmation that this is ruled correctly:

Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #234 on: March 04, 2019, 01:04:08 am »

of of? Yes
because of of of? Yes
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« Reply #235 on: March 04, 2019, 01:05:02 am »

Requesting confirmation that this is ruled correctly:

Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
Yes, I confirm that is ruled correctly.
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #236 on: March 04, 2019, 03:23:31 am »

these
should all be
ruled as yes I believe
and should also be quick to annotate
still I dont yet know
aspects about the
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« Reply #237 on: March 04, 2019, 03:32:31 am »

more speculatively
maybe these will all
resolve differently?

then again maybe not
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans
when words fail let randomness win!
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #238 on: March 04, 2019, 03:39:34 am »

now finally
some actual
no things
Zen Micro!
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« Reply #239 on: March 04, 2019, 03:53:05 am »

these Yes
should all be Yes
ruled as yes I believe Yes
and should also be quick to annotate Yes
still I dont yet know Yes
aspects about the Yes
rule Yes

more speculatively No
maybe these will all No
resolve differently? Yes

then again maybe not No
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans No
when words fail let randomness win! Yes

now finally Yes
some actual Yes
no things Yes
Zen Micro! Yes
seven never laughs cold Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #240 on: March 04, 2019, 04:18:27 am »

test test test test test test test test test?
abceefosu?
usofeecba?
maybe...of?
maybe because?
maybebecause?
nineninen?
abceefosuabceefosu?
abceefosu?
somethingsomething?
s o m e t h i n g s o m e t h i n g?
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s ?
maybeo?
maybe tends to miss.
maybe?
agdjqry of?
ss is smart-o?
ssissmarto?
maybeof?
abefmoy?

runningoutofideas?
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« Reply #241 on: March 04, 2019, 04:28:53 am »

You guys are too fast! Yes
Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
Please? Yes
I Forgot What Is Optimal? Yes
Thingsarefunwhenyoudothesametestsoverandover? Yes
Maybe. Maybe not? Yes
3. Yes
50? Yes
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No
QHOP? Yes

Is Scout the strongest card to ever be printed? Yes
Is Trump the smartest president to ever be born? Yes
do re me? Yes

Did I win? Yes
Sweeet, thanks! Yes
But, why did I win? Yes
Maybe...because of this? Yes
There's also that. Yes
However; lets not get ahead of ourselves. Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

And god said, Yes
let there be light.? Yes
and the firmament Yes
of the heavens!? Yes

? No
test? Yes
test test? Yes
test test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
night ? and ? let ? Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes
and for days and years Yes

Maybe...because of this? Yes
Maybe...because? Yes
of this? Yes
because of? No
Maybe...? Yes
...because? Yes
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes
...because of this? Yes
because of this? Yes
Maybe? Yes
because? Yes
of? Yes
this? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes

Maybe...this? Yes
this of because Maybe? No
This of because maybe? No
Of because maybe this? No
of because? No
this maybe because? Yes

What about ! that makes this? Yes
A thing, nay? Yes
If we !ascend, what then? Yes
?Questions? Yes
A Lot Of very --- questions are? Yes
int-eres-ting? Yes
I know?? You are; confuze. Yes
But; hmm? Yes
What?? What happened? Yes
Oh, this makes sense now...pity. Yes

How many words can I put in one sentence and make it pass without any weird things? Yes

of? Yes
of because? No
of of because? Yes
of of because because? No
of maybe because? Yes
maybe because? Yes
of maybe? No
of maybe maybe because? Yes

beautify each emboss? Yes
maybebecauseofthis? Yes
aabbceeefhimosstuy? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s? Yes
Maybe because of this word? Yes
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here? Yes
Why am I fixating on maybe because of this? Yes
infangthief? Yes

of because of? Yes
because of of? Yes
because because of of? No
because because because of of of? No
because because because of of of of? Yes
of? Yes
of of? Yes
because? Yes
because because? Yes
because because because because of of of of? No
because because because because of of of of of? Yes

of of? Yes
because of of of? Yes

these Yes
should all be Yes
ruled as yes I believe Yes
and should also be quick to annotate Yes
still I dont yet know Yes
aspects about the Yes
rule Yes

more speculatively No
maybe these will all No
resolve differently? Yes

then again maybe not No
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans No
when words fail let randomness win! Yes

now finally Yes
some actual Yes
no things Yes
Zen Micro! Yes
seven never laughs cold Yes

test test test test test test test test test? Yes
abceefosu? Yes
usofeecba? Yes
maybe...of? Yes
maybe because? Yes
maybebecause? Yes
nineninen? Yes
abceefosuabceefosu? Yes
abceefosu? Yes
somethingsomething? Yes
s o m e t h i n g s o m e t h i n g? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s ? Yes
maybeo? Yes
maybe tends to miss. No
maybe? Yes
agdjqry of? No
ss is smart-o? Yes
ssissmarto? Yes
maybeof? Yes
abefmoy? Yes

runningoutofideas? Yes
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« Reply #242 on: March 04, 2019, 04:37:38 am »

You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?
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« Reply #243 on: March 04, 2019, 04:46:03 am »

You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Man, I was playing with mod 9 for some reason, now I feel stupid.
Does that mean I need to count how many letters are in each question before asking?
agdjqryof?
yof?
asdof?
I didn't count the above nor this?
Don't evaluate the questions with even numbers, I don't wanna have to count everything yet.
Just wanna write things in case maybe.
maybe doesn't work.
maybedoes ntwork?
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« Reply #244 on: March 04, 2019, 04:46:34 am »

You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Is this how I talk to you? Yes, I'm fine with cutting the questions
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« Reply #245 on: March 04, 2019, 04:53:48 am »

Don't evaluate the questions with even numbers, I don't wanna have to count everything yet.

Well I made a mistake?
It's the other way around, wow..
And it's words not letters I feel stupid.
So this means...a lot, really.
Maybe...because of...this...?
______________.... is one word? Or is it zero?
abcef ouse?
______________.... is one word, right? Or is it zero?
Hmmmmm... I ran out of things to do.
I need more answers.
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« Reply #246 on: March 04, 2019, 05:00:39 am »

You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Is this how I talk to you? Yes, I'm fine with cutting the questions
Talking is kind of difficult in this thread, isn't it? Anything you say is liable to have a yes or no tagged on the end. Anyway, hopefully we can recognise genuine comments/questions when needed! Yeh, italics is a good idea, until someone makes a rule that depends on html tags... (no, please don't)

I'll wait for silvers' ok as well, in case the set of questions I remove reveals too much info for his liking.
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« Reply #247 on: March 04, 2019, 05:03:01 am »

You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Is this how I talk to you? Yes, I'm fine with cutting the questions
Talking is kind of difficult in this thread, isn't it? Anything you say is liable to have a yes or no tagged on the end. Anyway, hopefully we can recognise genuine comments/questions when needed! Yeh, italics is a good idea, until someone makes a rule that depends on html tags... (no, please don't)

I'll wait for silvers' ok as well, in case the set of questions I remove reveals too much info for his liking.


You already gave away the information, all you're asking of us is if you can remove a bunch of completely useless questions, I don't see why anyone would say no, it helps everyone.
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« Reply #248 on: March 04, 2019, 05:08:20 am »

Man, I was playing with mod 9 for some reason, now I feel stupid. Yes
Does that mean I need to count how many letters are in each question before asking? Yes
agdjqryof? Yes
yof? Yes
asdof? Yes
I didn't count the above nor this? Yes
Don't evaluate the questions with even numbers, I don't wanna have to count everything yet. Yes
Just wanna write things in case maybe. Yes
maybe doesn't work. Yes
maybedoes ntwork? No

Well I made a mistake? Yes
It's the other way around, wow.. Yes
And it's words not letters I feel stupid. No
So this means...a lot, really. Yes
Maybe...because of...this...? Yes
______________.... is one word? Or is it zero? Yes
abcef ouse? No
______________.... is one word, right? Or is it zero? No
Hmmmmm... I ran out of things to do. No
I need more answers. Yes
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #249 on: March 04, 2019, 05:15:48 am »

You guys ok if I cut the list down a bit - it is getting long.
I think silverspawn has discovered that questions with odd numbers of words always result in 'yes', so how about if I reduce the list to just the questions with an even number of words?

Is this how I talk to you? Yes, I'm fine with cutting the questions
Talking is kind of difficult in this thread, isn't it? Anything you say is liable to have a yes or no tagged on the end. Anyway, hopefully we can recognise genuine comments/questions when needed! Yeh, italics is a good idea, until someone makes a rule that depends on html tags... (no, please don't)

I'll wait for silvers' ok as well, in case the set of questions I remove reveals too much info for his liking.


You already gave away the information, all you're asking of us is if you can remove a bunch of completely useless questions, I don't see why anyone would say no, it helps everyone.
I agree that I've given away quite a bit by confirming silverspawn's odd number of words theory. I hope no-one minds too much.
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #250 on: March 04, 2019, 07:46:43 am »

Go ahead. I think we've had fairly conclusive evidence already, so I'd say you've basically spoiled nothing.

The other theory I've had was completely wrong. Which makes sense because it seemed far too complicated, but somehow it worked perfectly on all the examples I checked.
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #251 on: March 04, 2019, 08:02:23 am »

List of all questions which have even numbers of words. I'll continue to answer questions with odd numbers of words, but any future 'all questions' lists will only contain the ones with even numbers of words.

Let a brother play with his punctuation, man. No
It must be intriguing and exciting, or else...? No

Sweeet, thanks! Yes
A lot of things need to be learned: like which questions pass? Yes
________.....? No
? No
??? No
! No

let there be light.? Yes

? No
test test? Yes
test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test? Yes
test test test test test test test test? Yes

let there ? be light Yes
in heaven to ? divide Yes
? the day ? from the Yes
it be ? for ???!! signs!!? for s!easons Yes

of this? Yes
because of? No
...? No
Maybe because of this? No
Maybe...because of? Yes

Does it have to do with the whole sentence or just part of it? No
Will this help us find out? Yes

this of because Maybe? No
This of because maybe? No
Of because maybe this? No
of because? No

A Lot Of very --- questions are? Yes
I know?? You are; confuze. Yes
But; hmm? Yes

of because? No
of of because because? No
maybe because? Yes
of maybe? No
of maybe maybe because? Yes

m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s? Yes
Maybe because of this hello there my name is insert name here? Yes

because because of of? No
because because because of of of? No
of of? Yes
because because? Yes
because because because because of of of of? No

of of? Yes
because of of of? Yes

more speculatively No
maybe these will all No
resolve differently? Yes

then again maybe not No
still let some ambiguity inside Neapolitans No
when words fail let randomness win! Yes

now finally Yes
some actual Yes
no things Yes
Zen Micro! Yes
seven never laughs cold Yes

maybe because? Yes
s o m e t h i n g s o m e t h i n g? Yes
m a y b e b e c a u s e o f t h i s ? Yes
maybe tends to miss. No
agdjqry of? No

Does that mean I need to count how many letters are in each question before asking? Yes
maybedoes ntwork? No

It's the other way around, wow.. Yes
And it's words not letters I feel stupid. No
Maybe...because of...this...? Yes
abcef ouse? No
______________.... is one word, right? Or is it zero? No
Hmmmmm... I ran out of things to do. No
I need more answers. Yes

Well, that's a lot shorter
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #252 on: March 04, 2019, 08:07:57 am »

Well, before things did "Yes", now they do "No". Awkward.
maybe o?
ayb o?
may o?
may f?
y f?
letters letters?
yof yof?
things; things;?
abc, abc,?
Even: Even:?
A lot of things need to be which: like learned questions pass?
like learned questions pass?
like which questions pass?
A lot of things need to be which?
A lot of things?
need to be learned?
lot of?
A things?
to learned?
questions pass?
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #253 on: March 04, 2019, 08:34:01 am »

Well, before things did "Yes", now they do "No". Awkward. No
Is that a genuine comment? ??? Please point them out to me; no changes were intended.
maybe o? Yes
ayb o? Yes
may o? Yes
may f? Yes
y f? Yes
letters letters? Yes
yof yof? Yes
things; things;? Yes
abc, abc,? Yes
Even: Even:? Yes
A lot of things need to be which: like learned questions pass? Yes
like learned questions pass? No
like which questions pass? No
A lot of things need to be which? No
A lot of things? No
need to be learned? Yes
lot of? No
A things? No
to learned? No
questions pass? No
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #254 on: March 05, 2019, 01:38:57 pm »

because because of of
because because of of??
because because because of of of
because because because of of of??
of of
of of??
because because
because because??
because because because because of of of of
because because because because of of of of??
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #255 on: March 06, 2019, 03:39:56 am »

because because of of No
because because of of?? No
because because because of of of No
because because because of of of?? No
of of Yes
of of?? Yes
because because Yes
because because?? Yes
because because because because of of of of No
because because because because of of of of?? No
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Re: Zendo Questions 2
« Reply #256 on: March 09, 2019, 10:12:19 pm »

I believe it's been 96 hours since silverspawn's last question.
Can I ask for the rule to be revealed? I think it's fair to say you stumped us.
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