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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #550 on: December 23, 2018, 09:47:02 am »

Faust, Yes or No, are you a Mason?
Yes

Whoa. Setup question: do masons have daychat? Does scum? I’m on
Mobile or I would check the starting post myself.

Also I thought Jimmmm softclaimed mason at the end of the day. Did I read that wrong or are we talking about a three-mason team?

PPE: Nice OMGUS Jim.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #551 on: December 23, 2018, 09:47:56 am »

PPE: Nice OMGUS Jim.

That's a bit silly.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #552 on: December 23, 2018, 10:02:38 am »

Setup question: do masons have daychat? Does scum?

If masons exist, they can use their QT(s) in both day and night phases.
Scum can talk at night but do not have daychat.


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Also I thought Jimmmm softclaimed mason at the end of the day. Did I read that wrong or are we talking about a three-mason team?

PPE: Nice OMGUS Jim.
OMGUS loses all meaning if you use it every time someone suspects one of their detractors.

I thought Jim pretty clearly softed VT.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #553 on: December 23, 2018, 10:04:19 am »

Ah right, it was in the morning.

Fine, mb I could have questioned whether you were bluffing, but in fact I just took it as fact.

When I read how the end of day went down, I took faust's threat as serious (and a bit potentially game-throwing) too, despite thinking of faust as a normally reasonable person unlikely to do such things even as scum.

It was pretty well-acted I think.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #554 on: December 23, 2018, 10:15:36 am »

@Swan: Look at what you wrote and think about what motive someone could possibly have to vote the way I did.

I feel like the "I'm not voting for X because my scumread is voting for them" type reads are bad 70% of the time anyway, and here that is metastasizing into something quite silly.

I'm not trying to be condescending (I think my first draft of this post was super condescending and I'm trying not to be) but I'm leaving this as an exercise to the reader, you earlier asked me what my town reads were in I think a similar spirit, and that's how I mean this, it feels like you're reading at the most surface level and not thinking about motives.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #555 on: December 23, 2018, 01:04:14 pm »

Unvote

I need to re-examine day 1 in light of new information and shedding of old assumptions.

@Swan: why were you so opposed to the Jimmmm lynch that you would have let yesterday go to a noblynch rather than switch? That’s really the most important question I have.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #556 on: December 23, 2018, 05:01:24 pm »

Unvote

I need to re-examine day 1 in light of new information and shedding of old assumptions.

@Swan: why were you so opposed to the Jimmmm lynch that you would have let yesterday go to a noblynch rather than switch? That’s really the most important question I have.

I literally was PPEing Jim when the double switch happened. I said i was logging off to force the 2x switch bc at the time i really thought Galz was best. I was not off. Idk how you check but i believe there is a way - so you can check me on that if you know how.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #557 on: December 23, 2018, 07:19:26 pm »

I thought Jimm was the other Mason. Datswan was communicating that, as far as I can recall.

I’m tempted to say this Mason scheme is a lie! Though that’s probably too crazy.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #558 on: December 23, 2018, 07:43:59 pm »

Faust is the other mason - would like specifics on why robs thinks it was telegraphed as jimm.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #559 on: December 23, 2018, 07:46:07 pm »

Faust is the other mason - would like specifics on why robs thinks it was telegraphed as jimm.

Yeah I have no idea.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #560 on: December 24, 2018, 12:04:34 am »

I just had a dream, that faust was Mason AND IC, but we lynched him and he was scum
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #561 on: December 24, 2018, 01:47:43 am »

I mean, I also thought Swan was lowkey communicating Jimmmmm as mason partner based on how staunch Swan's refusal to switch was, especially after his 'Jimmmmm would be my 2nd, no 3rd choice,' and then suddenly no it's Galz or bust. And that's why I was reading it as scummy. But yeah, rereading and Jim does sort of softclaim VT with his whole "not the worst lynch" schtick. Faust refusing to switch would also make sense in the context of Jimmmmm being the other scum partner, but idk. If anyone would, faust would probably be willing to bus there for the cred.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #562 on: December 24, 2018, 04:58:26 am »

I thought Jimm was the other Mason. Datswan was communicating that, as far as I can recall.

I’m tempted to say this Mason scheme is a lie! Though that’s probably too crazy.

I’m glad it wasn’t just me! And I’m not sure it’s too crazy. Also I’m not sure we can afford to just accept it on faith. The problem is, if it’s faust and not Jimmmm then we’re now asserting that the entire scum team has tied itself together, since part of the case on Swan was his refusal to lynch Jimmmm. I can buy two scum tying themselves together in a gambit, but three is really ballsy.

Note that if Swan and Faust really are masons, then we have no particular reason to believe Jimmm is town.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #563 on: December 24, 2018, 05:00:11 am »

I mean, I also thought Swan was lowkey communicating Jimmmmm as mason partner based on how staunch Swan's refusal to switch was, especially after his 'Jimmmmm would be my 2nd, no 3rd choice,' and then suddenly no it's Galz or bust. And that's why I was reading it as scummy. But yeah, rereading and Jim does sort of softclaim VT with his whole "not the worst lynch" schtick. Faust refusing to switch would also make sense in the context of Jimmmmm being the other scum partner, but idk. If anyone would, faust would probably be willing to bus there for the cred.

I guess I thought “not the worst lynch” was referring to the fact that his flip would IC Swan, and if Swan got NK’d it would soak up a kill that could have hit a more powerful role.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #564 on: December 24, 2018, 06:03:48 am »

I would suggest that if people have that kind of time, they should reread D1 in the light of new information. I would like some more substantial reads.

Also do people think about the way my claim was adressed?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #565 on: December 24, 2018, 08:13:35 am »

I would suggest that if people have that kind of time, they should reread D1 in the light of new information. I would like some more substantial reads.

Also do people think about the way my claim was adressed?

I really didn't like it actually, why would UoS ask this that way? Also why would you answer directly, but this is another question
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #566 on: December 24, 2018, 08:14:13 am »

I would suggest that if people have that kind of time, they should reread D1 in the light of new information. I would like some more substantial reads.

Also do people think about the way my claim was adressed?

rereading for some time now. We just switched offices on my work and I just got internet and it's literally the first thing i am doing
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #567 on: December 24, 2018, 08:16:11 am »

Also, Hi LaLight, Faust, everyone else! Good to be back. I'm trying to only commit to one game at a time and only occasionally, but I intend to join more in the next year too.

Am I seeing too much here as he addressed two (for me) conf!towns?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #568 on: December 24, 2018, 08:16:52 am »

meh, read Galzria's opening post as scummy, then remembered
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #569 on: December 24, 2018, 08:18:24 am »

I think I am settled on 99% believing DS and faust are Masons.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #570 on: December 24, 2018, 08:19:33 am »

Also, Vote: Robz for hating D1 and never participating. D1 is as useful, and often moreso than almost any other day as it establishes the baseline for the rest of the game to follow.
And the baseline you seek to establish is policy voting?

He's given me no reason to believe he's not scum. That can be said of others, too, mind you - but as Robz won't play D1 unless given a reason, yes, I'm perfectly content with that vote right now.

Fair, but I am intending to play this day 1 anyway. I’m going to surprise you!

Did this happen in the end?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #571 on: December 24, 2018, 08:20:27 am »

for some reasons I can't put my finger on Joth. He reads townie, but I don't know, can't feel him
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #572 on: December 24, 2018, 08:21:34 am »

I’m caught up, joth and silver looks strongly like town v town.


vote: datswan
Their “woah lots going on” feels like scum surprised by the amount of discussion vs town. Town is likely to be excited and specific versus scum who would be general and dismissive.

This as well seems a little forced

But do you disagree with my thought?

I do, actually. There was a lot of posts, when he came, No matter what alignment a person is, they could say woah it's a lot of posts for numerous reasons. Why would scum be surprised about the amount of townies discussion? There's more town people than there's scums. Even given that town would be more specific which is also not really true, or it would be really easy to catch scums.

All in all looks like you tried to develop a read out of nowhere

I am pointing here, again.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #573 on: December 24, 2018, 08:25:15 am »

Meanwhile, I've found that cases based on defensiveness -- especially off-meta defensiveness -- are often good day one cases.
I strongly disagree. Being defensive and challenging votes helps keep the game active and is good pro-town play. I have seen scum trying to ignore votes on them way more often because they don't want to draw additional attention to themselves. Plus I support DatSwan in that this isn't off-meta for him.

Right, unless they decided on N0 to fakeclaim masons (which would be a weird thing to do), I believe the claim. This is so awesome. Can we lynch mcmc now plzthnks
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #574 on: December 24, 2018, 08:26:33 am »

ashersky kill is still a weird thing, I can't see him even softclaiming anything. I remember the game in asher9++ when he softclaimed UB, while being VT to draw the kill (successfully). Nothing like this this time
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