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[silverspawn]

I think some of you haven't gotten the 'vote counts are automated' memo yet (assuming EFHW is using space's program). If your vote doesn't count, it's probably because of spelling. Space doesn't ignore casing, so if you say Datswan rather than DatSwan, it probably won't be counted.

[silverspawn]

Okay, well, I very actively oppose it because I really do get some strong town vibes from mcmc, and my opinion on mcmc's towniness should count for something significant. Though I could be wrong and might change my mind later.

Galzria... I don't really think Galz has done anything to merit a town read, but I'm not reading him as scum either. Seems like a lot of work to lynch him, and there's not a huge reason to.

What is the vote count?

this sounds so scummy. but I'm not sure it actually is

[silverspawn]

Your jokey "I don't like my own case" rings scummy to me, as it did to mcmc.

I already said that it wasn't a joke. I'm mildly annoyed that I have to say that again. Please don't repeat that it was jokey.

We are not saying it’s literally a joke. We are saying tonaly it had a jokey undertone (whether you wanted it to come out that way or not) and the whole post had a vibe that rings scummy to both robz and I.

That wasn't really what either of you said, but I can accept that it's what you were trying to say. I appreciate you responding rather than ignoring it as Robz continues to do.

[Robz888]

I think some of you haven't gotten the 'vote counts are automated' memo yet (assuming EFHW is using space's program). If your vote doesn't count, it's probably because of spelling. Space doesn't ignore casing, so if you say Datswan rather than DatSwan, it probably won't be counted.

Oh, really? Okay. Vote: DatSwan

[Robz888]

Your jokey "I don't like my own case" rings scummy to me, as it did to mcmc.

I already said that it wasn't a joke. I'm mildly annoyed that I have to say that again. Please don't repeat that it was jokey.

We are not saying it’s literally a joke. We are saying tonaly it had a jokey undertone (whether you wanted it to come out that way or not) and the whole post had a vibe that rings scummy to both robz and I.

That wasn't really what either of you said, but I can accept that it's what you were trying to say. I appreciate you responding rather than ignoring it as Robz continues to do.

I am no longer ignoring, and yes, I meant what mcmc meant.

[Galzria]

I think some of you haven't gotten the 'vote counts are automated' memo yet (assuming EFHW is using space's program). If your vote doesn't count, it's probably because of spelling. Space doesn't ignore casing, so if you say Datswan rather than DatSwan, it probably won't be counted.

Oh, really? Okay. Vote: DatSwan

Is that actually a thing? Wow, I'm going to mis-vote almost every single time.

Vote: DatSwan

[jotheonah]

I think some of you haven't gotten the 'vote counts are automated' memo yet (assuming EFHW is using space's program). If your vote doesn't count, it's probably because of spelling. Space doesn't ignore casing, so if you say Datswan rather than DatSwan, it probably won't be counted.

vote: DatSwan

But I also went back and checked and I typed it exactly right before.

[silverspawn]

I know the wagon has all but evaporated, but I'm still feeling a Dylan lynch. Partially because of how it evaporated I think.

Could you elaborate on this? Possibly because I found the ramping up of the wagon to be somewhat scummy I don’t find it’s dissapating scummy, but do you have more of a theory of the way it evaporated being scummy?

It felt like Dylan had some good lynch momentum going, we even had a bit of talk about days ending early so I know I'm not the only one who felt it, but then a bunch of people jumped out to put the brakes on. I know SS' vote wasn't the strongest thing, and I can see where people might have found that Dylan post about his reasoning authentic-sounding (I don't but I can kind of see it I guess), but it seemed like it never gained as much momentum as it seemed like it had and everyone but me bailed hard ASAP.

I kind of think that town!Dylan gets pushed harder by scum in that situation, to try to push the mislynch through or to make someone like me or faust look scummy for pushing it or something but it was just kind of shrugged off by everyone or actively pushed against. The post can't have been that towny even to people more familiar with Dylan, some of that is surely from town, but scum also kept silent on Dylan, backed off hard, or defended him, and that makes me want to lynch him.

I would buy that if it was later in the game, but at this point in day 1 -- although admittedly we're close to the deadline -- I think scum is fairly likely not to pursue a 'promising' looking wagon on town.

Also, couldn't the same be said about my wagon?

[silverspawn]

Is that actually a thing? Wow, I'm going to mis-vote almost every single time.

Vote: DatSwan

It's probably a thing. There's a list of nicknames for each person, so "mc" will work for mcmc and 'Swan' probably works for 'DatSwan' but 'Darswan' might not work.

But I also went back and checked and I typed it exactly right before.

well, maybe EFHW did it by hand and just missed it.

[jotheonah]

Theory question (humor me, I'm rusty): How bad is it for town if we end up no-lynching because we fail to reach consensus?

[silverspawn]

Theory question (humor me, I'm rusty): How bad is it for town if we end up no-lynching because we fail to reach consensus?

The setup portion of that mostly depends on the number of cops in the game. Which in expectation is like one half, so not many. then it depends on how much you think it matters for our reads day 2. I'd say it's in between somewhat bad and pretty bad.

[Galzria]

Theory question (humor me, I'm rusty): How bad is it for town if we end up no-lynching because we fail to reach consensus?

For me, more than anything, the loss of information regarding the flip - the who's and the why's of where people go to successfully land a lynch, be it on town or on scum - is the biggest pitfall of a no-lynch, especially D1. All of these interactions that we've established don't have a lot of meaning if there's nothing to measure them against.

[silverspawn]

Did a PoE of swan. At first I was like "mhm" and then I was like "mmmno".

This is all based on gut, so... but still I don't think he's a good lynch.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

I think some of you haven't gotten the 'vote counts are automated' memo yet (assuming EFHW is using space's program). If your vote doesn't count, it's probably because of spelling. Space doesn't ignore casing, so if you say Datswan rather than DatSwan, it probably won't be counted.

I'm going to find this really obnoxious. Not the tool being limited but the votes-that-the-tool-misses-don't-count part.

Like how many m's does Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmm have? Does anyone really know?

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Also, couldn't the same be said about my wagon?

Your wagon didn't get nearly so universal pushback and abandonment.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Theory question (humor me, I'm rusty): How bad is it for town if we end up no-lynching because we fail to reach consensus?

Terrible, I'd lynch my townreads before no-lynching.

With an odd playercount I wouldn't lynch an actual IC or claimed cop or something, but otherwise whoever, it's the one case where I'd self-vote.  The even number of players makes it less bad than with an odd number of players because it just converts an endgame MYLO into LYLO if we don't have a doctor save or vig kill or anything, but if we do have any roles like that that would change us to odd numbers it is still absolutely terrible and tons of roles can kill or prevent a kill, much better to no-lynch at MYLO later.

[silverspawn]

I think some of you haven't gotten the 'vote counts are automated' memo yet (assuming EFHW is using space's program). If your vote doesn't count, it's probably because of spelling. Space doesn't ignore casing, so if you say Datswan rather than DatSwan, it probably won't be counted.

I'm going to find this really obnoxious. Not the tool being limited but the votes-that-the-tool-misses-don't-count part.

Like how many m's does Jimmmmmmmmmmmmmm have? Does anyone really know?

For my tool, I have the possible abbreviations jim > jimm > jimmm > jimmmm > jimmmmm > jimmmmmm > jimmmmmmm > jimmmmmmmm > jimmmmmmmmm > jimmmmmmmmmm

so it's hard to go wrong. I assume Space is similarly generous.

[silverspawn]

Did a PoE of swan. At first I was like "mhm" and then I was like "mmmno".

wait no not a poe. there's a term for a one-player reread but I forgot what it was. that thing.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

Did a PoE of swan. At first I was like "mhm" and then I was like "mmmno".

wait no not a poe. there's a term for a one-player reread but I forgot what it was. that thing.

ISO

[Galzria]

Did a PoE of swan. At first I was like "mhm" and then I was like "mmmno".

wait no not a poe. there's a term for a one-player reread but I forgot what it was. that thing.

Targeted Reread? Single Person Analysis? I dunno.

Who would you prefer more? What are your thoughts on UoS? I'm curious if I'm the only one getting this massive under-the-radar scum vibe from them (probably a scum vibe because I don't think I've ever gotten an "under-the-radar town vibe" before? lol). It's not like they haven't posted, or aren't posting now, or aren't participating... I'm just gut reading scummy, without being able to put my finger on it.

[silverspawn]

Did a PoE of swan. At first I was like "mhm" and then I was like "mmmno".

wait no not a poe. there's a term for a one-player reread but I forgot what it was. that thing.

ISO

Yes, thanks.

Who would you prefer more?

Most people more, but Jim the most

What are your thoughts on UoS?

Towny. I'm not getting any of the scum vibes you speak of.

[Galzria]

What are your thoughts on UoS?

Towny. I'm not getting any of the scum vibes you speak of.

That's fair. I can't really give a good reason for my read, so it shouldn't be expected that others share it.

[Galzria]

Who would you prefer more?

Most people more, but Jim the most

I would vote Jimmm to see a lynch, but definitely find Swan to be scummier.

[jotheonah]

The Jimmmmm lynch seems eminently viable. Maybe too viable.

[Galzria]

The Jimmmmm lynch seems eminently viable. Maybe too viable.

The people that have voted Jimmm, and in order are:

Faust (57)
Joth (61)
Joth (224) (intent at 215, bad formatting)
Silver (243)
Swan (275)
Robz (313)

And then I just said that I would to get a lynch.

I believe the highest his wagon has been is 3.