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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #150 on: December 15, 2018, 08:59:47 pm »

Vote Count 1.2

ashersky (1): Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot (1): LaLight
jotheonah (1): silverspawn
Jimmmmm (1): jotheonah
Robz888 (1): Galzria
silverspawn (1): Robz888
DatSwan (2): mcmcsalot, Dylan32
faust (1): ashersky
Dylan32 (2): faust, UmbrageOfSnow
Not Voting (1): DatSwan

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D1 ends at 11am Czech time (5am Forum Time) on Thursday 20th December.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #151 on: December 15, 2018, 10:09:34 pm »

There are some discrepancies between my vote count and the official one. Possibly because “Darswan” wasn’t counted.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #152 on: December 15, 2018, 10:10:33 pm »

Thanks DatSwan but you have mcmc twice on yours. So it’s more like:

ashersky (1): Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot (2): LaLight, DatSwan
Jimmmmm (1):, jotheonah
silverspawn (1):  Robz888
Robz888 (1): Galzria
DatSwan (3): mcmcsalot, Dylan, silver
faust (1): ashersky
Dylan (2): faust, Umbrage

So only L-4. Anybody want to try and sway me to either the Dylan or DatSwan wagons? Both seem possibly scummy to me.

Unintentional sorry - i did it by hand.

Is there a reason you think i am skummy other than lack of participation thus far?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #153 on: December 15, 2018, 10:11:41 pm »

There are some discrepancies between my vote count and the official one. Possibly because “Darswan” wasn’t counted.

Also silver isn’t on me bc they spelled my name wrong in vote. I am “attempted” at (3)
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #154 on: December 15, 2018, 10:13:08 pm »

Joth:

We really have to give Faust a day 1 pass, at any rate. Let’s not do scum’s job for them. If he’s alive tomorrow—something that quite literally almost never happens—I’ll reconsider.

This feels lining-up-future-mislynches scummy.

Dylan doesn't follow this up with a vote, he votes for Swan instead, almost certainly an easier fight than Robz (no offense Swan), plus the lining-up-future-mislynches thing is an easy argument to make to be seen to be having reads while not really being a thing, basically any comments about future days can be lining up mislynches.

No offense taken - i don’t think we have played together before. Once i get into it you will wish i would just stfu. Savor the silence.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #155 on: December 15, 2018, 10:19:41 pm »

I feel like having trouble getting Day 1 reads tends to be a self-fulfilling prophecy: people who talk a lot about lack of information Day 1 have trouble seeing information worth voting over on Day 1, I think in large part because they don't think they can find it.

No, Day 1 cases don't have as much behind them as later day cases, but they aren't based on nothing.

I love that these are the wagons, while I think Dylan is more likely to be scum, I have no reason to think you are town, DatSwan, and I have a mess of townreads.

Don’t answer this just consider the question - who do you currently actually consider to be town rn? This comment is just giving you the quote option to go back and vote for either of us. Which is messing with my growing sr on dylan
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #156 on: December 16, 2018, 01:13:11 am »

Ok, I can give a brief reason for my vote, without saying exactly what I was looking for. The vote wasn't based on anything Swan had said this game. He is one of the people that I played with in my last game. I had a pretty strong read that was fortunately right last game, so I wanted to look for something here.  I've seen enough that it is now actually a scumread, but I'm not gonna say what it is cuz it would only help scum you.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #157 on: December 16, 2018, 03:01:15 am »

I would love a vote count. Some of these wagons are starting to feel real.
When I read this I suddenly remembered I dream I had tonight ( just woke up ). I was reading this game and there was no vote count in a while, so I wanted to post one. I have this tool that automates them, but I think there are players in here that i don't know yet, so I was going to check into the file of player names and nicknames. Before I opened it I was like "it would suck if this file was lost somehow, I'm going to make a backup copy right now"; then I opened it and it the content was already lost, somehow  :'(

This clearly proves that I'm town because I subconsciously wanted to be helpful.

Anyway. Space uses a similar tool which is why votes won't be detected if they're misspelled. But now I actually like vote: Dylan32 better. Their avatar looks like theiy're hiding something.

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #158 on: December 16, 2018, 03:21:01 am »

Anyway. Space uses a similar tool which is why votes won't be detected if they're misspelled. But now I actually like vote: Dylan32 better. Their avatar looks like theiy're hiding something.
Going by avatars, I would vote joth. He seems like he's presenting himself as something he's not.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #159 on: December 16, 2018, 03:23:33 am »

Ok, I can give a brief reason for my vote, without saying exactly what I was looking for. The vote wasn't based on anything Swan had said this game. He is one of the people that I played with in my last game. I had a pretty strong read that was fortunately right last game, so I wanted to look for something here.  I've seen enough that it is now actually a scumread, but I'm not gonna say what it is cuz it would only help scum you.
So you think whatever it is you found wil help scum!Swan (why? If it's a scumtell, it seems he apparently gave it away) but it will do nothing to help the rest of town seeing that Swan is scum?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #160 on: December 16, 2018, 06:11:02 am »

You can share the scumtell...it’s sort of fair play to only use it once against a player.

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #161 on: December 16, 2018, 10:48:38 am »

Anyway. Space uses a similar tool which is why votes won't be detected if they're misspelled. But now I actually like vote: Dylan32 better. Their avatar looks like theiy're hiding something.
Going by avatars, I would vote joth. He seems like he's presenting himself as something he's not.

My job is trending more and more toward Bureaucrat every promotion.

Oh wait, you meant the Robz disguise. I think I changed that a long time ago for that bastard game where we were all robz and never changed it back.

Ok, I can give a brief reason for my vote, without saying exactly what I was looking for. The vote wasn't based on anything Swan had said this game. He is one of the people that I played with in my last game. I had a pretty strong read that was fortunately right last game, so I wanted to look for something here.  I've seen enough that it is now actually a scumread, but I'm not gonna say what it is cuz it would only help scum you.
So you think whatever it is you found wil help scum!Swan (why? If it's a scumtell, it seems he apparently gave it away) but it will do nothing to help the rest of town seeing that Swan is scum?

Yeah Dylan, I think you should tell us what you have at this point. To give you a little additional incentive:

Vote: Dylan

I find the case Umbrage gave to be convincing. I do not approve of avatar-based voting.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #162 on: December 16, 2018, 10:49:49 am »

I was coming here to vote for Dylan even before this recent activity. Vote: Dylan
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #163 on: December 16, 2018, 11:20:37 am »

Ok, that’s L-2. What’s our policy on claims?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #164 on: December 16, 2018, 11:37:44 am »

Ok, that’s L-2. What’s our policy on claims?

Well, we should let Dylan claim if he gets to L-1. Hammering him without giving opportunity for this would be extremely scummy.

I am a fan of short Day 1s, though I am pretty much alone in this.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #165 on: December 16, 2018, 11:54:48 am »

It’s really nice that we don’t seem to have any straight up lurkers in this town. But I would like to hear more form LaLight and mcmc and Galz about how things stand as of now.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #166 on: December 16, 2018, 12:14:33 pm »

Ok, so as town last game, as far as I remember the only time DatSwan directly responded to a vote on himself was the like the last one of the game when he was thinking the person who cast the vote was the leading wagon and seemed at that point most likely to be the final scum. Town!swan seemed to just ignore the votes or pressure while, Swan here pretty directly and quickly pushed back almost immediately with both votes. I will grant the very beginning of the last game could have been more busy irl for Swan, cuz they weren't exactly around a ton early on, but later on the pattern held.  Considering I've played 3 games or less with probably half of this lineup, that's as strong of a grounds as I have for any scumread so far.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #167 on: December 16, 2018, 12:20:19 pm »

Didn't really want to share that until we got a bigger sample this game since 3 votes isn't exactly conclusive, but whatever.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #168 on: December 16, 2018, 02:53:20 pm »

I am a fan of short Day 1s, though I am pretty much alone in this.

I'm with you on this, although I wasn't always I think.  We shouldn't always wait until deadline, and that tends to be a very strong impulse.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #169 on: December 16, 2018, 03:01:24 pm »

It’s really nice that we don’t seem to have any straight up lurkers in this town. But I would like to hear more form LaLight and mcmc and Galz about how things stand as of now.

Yeah, I'm waiting for their promised catchup posts, and I do think it would be bad to end the day before that point.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #170 on: December 16, 2018, 03:52:44 pm »

It’s really nice that we don’t seem to have any straight up lurkers in this town. But I would like to hear more form LaLight and mcmc and Galz about how things stand as of now.

Yeah, I'm waiting for their promised catchup posts, and I do think it would be bad to end the day before that point.
I take it that Dylan's explanation hasn't swayed you?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #171 on: December 16, 2018, 04:12:56 pm »

As far as D1 cases go, not bad at all.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #172 on: December 16, 2018, 05:17:53 pm »

As far as D1 cases go, not bad at all.

Dylan's case on Datswan, you mean?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #173 on: December 16, 2018, 06:10:20 pm »

Ok, so as town last game, as far as I remember the only time DatSwan directly responded to a vote on himself was the like the last one of the game when he was thinking the person who cast the vote was the leading wagon and seemed at that point most likely to be the final scum. Town!swan seemed to just ignore the votes or pressure while, Swan here pretty directly and quickly pushed back almost immediately with both votes. I will grant the very beginning of the last game could have been more busy irl for Swan, cuz they weren't exactly around a ton early on, but later on the pattern held.  Considering I've played 3 games or less with probably half of this lineup, that's as strong of a grounds as I have for any scumread so far.

I wasn't the other wagon at the end of the game. It was Joseph and MCMC and I was pushing Awaclus. Also, even if it was me, you are attempted to compare a Day 4 play to a Day 1 play... which, in your words, is kind of weak.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #174 on: December 16, 2018, 07:16:12 pm »

Vote: DatSwan

This is looking more and more like a better lynch.
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