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Author Topic: M120: Czech Mafia (Game Over! Town wins!)  (Read 147067 times)

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #125 on: December 14, 2018, 11:27:13 pm »

I’m caught up, joth and silver looks strongly like town v town.


vote: datswan
Their “woah lots going on” feels like scum surprised by the amount of discussion vs town. Town is likely to be excited and specific versus scum who would be general and dismissive.

I’m OMGUSing you for being lazy... which is in itself lazy.. but I’m doing it anyways.

Vote: MCMC
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #126 on: December 14, 2018, 11:52:21 pm »

We really have to give Faust a day 1 pass, at any rate. Let’s not do scum’s job for them. If he’s alive tomorrow—something that quite literally almost never happens—I’ll reconsider.

This feels lining-up-future-mislynches scummy.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #127 on: December 15, 2018, 12:00:13 am »

Rereading now. I’m really happy to see that “twinclaim” is still in the vernacular. I was the original twinclaim that spawned the term (though I wasn’t the one who coined it).

Anyway based on my reread I’m kind of OK with my current vote on Jimmm. He’s been just present enough to not get lurker suspicion but absent enough to not get much attention of any other kind. He’s been quick to vote and talk theory but hasn’t really offered any reads or anything of substance.

On another note: Robz, why should Faust, or anyone, get a day 1 pass?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #128 on: December 15, 2018, 12:14:21 am »

Vote: DatSwan for a reason that I'm not gonna share right now.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #129 on: December 15, 2018, 01:07:17 am »

Anyway based on my reread I’m kind of OK with my current vote on Jimmm. He’s been just present enough to not get lurker suspicion but absent enough to not get much attention of any other kind. He’s been quick to vote and talk theory but hasn’t really offered any reads or anything of substance.

Question for you: In my ash vote post I gave a theory reason (wagons are good) and a player-specific reason (wagons on ash are good). Why did you engage with the theory reason but not the player-specific reason?
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #130 on: December 15, 2018, 02:21:51 am »

Vote: Dylan
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #131 on: December 15, 2018, 03:37:53 am »

We really have to give Faust a day 1 pass, at any rate. Let’s not do scum’s job for them. If he’s alive tomorrow—something that quite literally almost never happens—I’ll reconsider.

This feels lining-up-future-mislynches scummy.

which is one of these things that scum never does.

I don't scumread joth anymore, really at all. Let's vote: DarSwan

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #132 on: December 15, 2018, 09:25:46 am »

Anyway based on my reread I’m kind of OK with my current vote on Jimmm. He’s been just present enough to not get lurker suspicion but absent enough to not get much attention of any other kind. He’s been quick to vote and talk theory but hasn’t really offered any reads or anything of substance.

Question for you: In my ash vote post I gave a theory reason (wagons are good) and a player-specific reason (wagons on ash are good). Why did you engage with the theory reason but not the player-specific reason?

I gotta read closer. I actually had to go back and look to see what you were talking about. Quote, for convenience:

Vote: ash

Early D1 wagons are good for Town. ash wagons are very good for Town.

I guess I thought it was a glib RVS thing. Like you were jumping on the wagon for a theory reason and also just teasing ash about some meta thing. I have a hunch I might know what you and Umbrage were getting at when you said talking about it ruined it. So .... sorry if I ruined it.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #133 on: December 15, 2018, 11:31:49 am »

Rereading now. I’m really happy to see that “twinclaim” is still in the vernacular. I was the original twinclaim that spawned the term (though I wasn’t the one who coined it).

Anyway based on my reread I’m kind of OK with my current vote on Jimmm. He’s been just present enough to not get lurker suspicion but absent enough to not get much attention of any other kind. He’s been quick to vote and talk theory but hasn’t really offered any reads or anything of substance.

On another note: Robz, why should Faust, or anyone, get a day 1 pass?

Well, Faust is arguably the strongest town player in our party, and scum kill him Night 1 in what seems like a majority of games. So he is sort of a special case.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #134 on: December 15, 2018, 11:32:07 am »

We really have to give Faust a day 1 pass, at any rate. Let’s not do scum’s job for them. If he’s alive tomorrow—something that quite literally almost never happens—I’ll reconsider.

This feels lining-up-future-mislynches scummy.

It isn’t and it doesn’t
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #135 on: December 15, 2018, 11:47:46 am »

Well, Faust is arguably the strongest town player in our party.

I guess I’ll take your for that for now.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #136 on: December 15, 2018, 11:53:12 am »

Well, Faust is arguably the strongest town player in our party, and scum kill him Night 1 in what seems like a majority of games. So he is sort of a special case.
A survey of recent games I participated in:

M119: I'm town, killed N1.
M118: I'm town, killed N1.
NM12: I'm town, scum never kills anybody lol
RMM49: I'm town, lynched D5.
M116: I'm town, killed N1.
M115: I'm town, and killed N1.
M113: I'm scum, living through to the end.
RMM42: I'm town and live to the end. [scum NK was nerfed]
M111: I'm town, killed N1.
NM11: I'm town, killed N1.
RMM46: I'm town, killed N1.

So out of my last 10 town games, I've been nightkilled N1 7 times, one game never saw any scum nightkill, and another had a nerfed NK for scum.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #137 on: December 15, 2018, 12:06:13 pm »

jeez. At some point you have to conclude the scum are doing it on purpose just for the memes.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #138 on: December 15, 2018, 12:27:56 pm »

NM12: I'm town, scum never kills anybody lol

That was a good game.

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #139 on: December 15, 2018, 01:51:31 pm »

jeez. At some point you have to conclude the scum are doing it on purpose just for the memes.

It's often because he's legitimately good at being town!

On the other end of the spectrum, I'm never night killed, unless I'm a PR or something.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #140 on: December 15, 2018, 02:38:22 pm »

At work until 8EST - will catch up then
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TOWN Wins: M3, M5, M6, M11, M17, M28, M32, M105, M108, M114, M118, M120, M122, DM1, DoM1, OZ2, RM45, RM47, RM48, RM49, RM55
TOWN Losses: M4, M7, M8, M9, M13, M14, M18, M31, M110, M111, M113, M117, M125, RM3, RM4, RM54
SCUM Wins: M2, M19, M23, M100, DM3, RM1, RM2, RM48, RM50
SCUM Losses: M15 (SK), M102 (Tr), OZ1, RM55

Total Wins: 30
Total Losses: 20

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #141 on: December 15, 2018, 05:58:48 pm »

I love how towny people are being right now

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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #142 on: December 15, 2018, 06:45:10 pm »

Vote: DatSwan for a reason that I'm not gonna share right now.

when you feel like telling us which of my 2 total posts so far hit you as skummy - plz let us know.

This feels like you trying to shift onto a wagon with no reason so you can make one up later.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #143 on: December 15, 2018, 06:45:40 pm »

We really have to give Faust a day 1 pass, at any rate. Let’s not do scum’s job for them. If he’s alive tomorrow—something that quite literally almost never happens—I’ll reconsider.

This feels lining-up-future-mislynches scummy.

which is one of these things that scum never does.

I don't scumread joth anymore, really at all. Let's vote: DarSwan


I am no pirate! (mis-typed my name in the vote)
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #144 on: December 15, 2018, 06:49:18 pm »

I would love a vote count. Some of these wagons are starting to feel real.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #145 on: December 15, 2018, 06:52:17 pm »

Swan Count:

ashersky (1): Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot (1): LaLight
Swan (3): MCMC, Dylan, Silver,
Faust (1): Ashes
MCMC (1): Swan
Dylan (2): Faust, Snow
Jimmmmm (1): , jotheonah
silverspawn (1): , Robz888
Robz888 (1): Galzria
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #146 on: December 15, 2018, 06:53:33 pm »

Also after finally having time to sit down and read I am at the same point I always am on D1s... which is like no where.... but MCMC's original thing I talked about still seems strange to me so I am staying there for now.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #147 on: December 15, 2018, 07:05:02 pm »

Thanks DatSwan but you have mcmc twice on yours. So it’s more like:

ashersky (1): Jimmmmm
mcmcsalot (2): LaLight, DatSwan
Jimmmmm (1):, jotheonah
silverspawn (1):  Robz888
Robz888 (1): Galzria
DatSwan (3): mcmcsalot, Dylan, silver
faust (1): ashersky
Dylan (2): faust, Umbrage

So only L-4. Anybody want to try and sway me to either the Dylan or DatSwan wagons? Both seem possibly scummy to me.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #148 on: December 15, 2018, 07:06:35 pm »

I feel like having trouble getting Day 1 reads tends to be a self-fulfilling prophecy: people who talk a lot about lack of information Day 1 have trouble seeing information worth voting over on Day 1, I think in large part because they don't think they can find it.

No, Day 1 cases don't have as much behind them as later day cases, but they aren't based on nothing.

I love that these are the wagons, while I think Dylan is more likely to be scum, I have no reason to think you are town, DatSwan, and I have a mess of townreads.
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Re: M120: Czech Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #149 on: December 15, 2018, 07:15:36 pm »

Joth:

We really have to give Faust a day 1 pass, at any rate. Let’s not do scum’s job for them. If he’s alive tomorrow—something that quite literally almost never happens—I’ll reconsider.

This feels lining-up-future-mislynches scummy.

Dylan doesn't follow this up with a vote, he votes for Swan instead, almost certainly an easier fight than Robz (no offense Swan), plus the lining-up-future-mislynches thing is an easy argument to make to be seen to be having reads while not really being a thing, basically any comments about future days can be lining up mislynches.
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