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Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« on: November 05, 2018, 07:05:05 am »
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Of the new stuff it seems clear that Capitalism has the most potential for unexpected combos, strange games, and just affecting games the most.
What have you found?

Some cards will be much better, like for example Conspirator and Goons. It will be fun to add an Embargo token to a pile just after you bought a card from that pile yourself.

Poor House will shine!
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2018, 07:06:33 am »
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Poor House will shine!
How ironic.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2018, 07:08:40 am »
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Some cards will be much better, like for example Conspirator and Goons. It will be fun to add an Embargo token to a pile just after you bought a card from that pile yourself.
Conspirator will not be much better, as you generally prefer to be able to play the actions that you draw, and that will not always be possible if Conspirator is played as Treasure. You cannot add Embargo tokens after you bought a card since you play all Treasure before buying cards.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2018, 07:52:12 am »
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Giant gets a buff
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2018, 07:54:05 am »
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How does Capitalism work with the $ token from Adventures?
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2018, 07:58:54 am »
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Storyteller playing actions with "+ Coin" (obviously) and "+ 1 Action" enables village-like effects.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2018, 08:02:24 am »
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How does Capitalism work with the $ token from Adventures?
Rulebook says the +$ has to be in the card text, so you cannot turn any action into a Treasure using the token.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2018, 08:10:16 am »
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Some cards will be much better, like for example Conspirator and Goons. It will be fun to add an Embargo token to a pile just after you bought a card from that pile yourself.
Conspirator will not be much better, as you generally prefer to be able to play the actions that you draw, and that will not always be possible if Conspirator is played as Treasure.
But at least it will be much easier to get Conspirator chains going that you get a lot of $$ from.

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You cannot add Embargo tokens after you bought a card since you play all Treasure before buying cards.
Oops, my bad!

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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2018, 08:25:33 am »
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Storyteller playing actions with "+ Coin" (obviously) and "+ 1 Action" enables village-like effects.

Oh yeah Storyteller becomes ridiculous in two ways. Mostly you think about the effect of Capitalism during the Buy phase, where Storyteller can now be used for draw even if drawn dead. But now it also gets a huge buff as an engine component during the action phase since it can play all of your new action/treasures for draw and other effects.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2018, 08:26:02 am »
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Black Market will enable some serious craziness as well.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2018, 09:11:09 am »
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I don't whether this qualifies as unexpected, but Bank can become pretty strong, with significantly less effort.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2018, 09:24:04 am by boris »
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2018, 09:12:43 am »
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And Diadem in a similar way.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2018, 09:13:42 am »
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I don't whether this qualifies as unexpected, but Bank can be become pretty strong, with significantly less effort.

omg... imagine a super-engine and then Bank at the end. And it stack...

I think a certain Chase will be pleased with this card :D

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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2018, 09:27:13 am »
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Minion will be so strong. Already on its own, when you can play all treasures and then get new cards. But with cards like bridge.. Unbeatable :)

In some of the decks with minion you can actually hit end actions immediately and go through your whole deck during your buy phase.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2018, 09:56:46 am »
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I'm glad there's something mind-blowing that wasn't in the previews. Looks like with Conclave and a throne variant you can start an action chain in your buy phase, which may or may not have interesting effects.

Also, Iron cards and Courtier get a buff.

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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2018, 09:59:10 am »
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Poor House will shine!
That seems to be an understatement. In fact, I myself (whenever I eventually get Renaissance) will avoid playing with Poor House and Capitalism, it just seems to be a borderline broken combo, given the fact that Poor House costs $1.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2018, 10:02:42 am »
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Poor House will shine!
That seems to be an understatement. In fact, I myself (whenever I eventually get Renaissance) will avoid playing with Poor House and Capitalism, it just seems to be a borderline broken combo, given the fact that Poor House costs $1.

Keep in mind that the value of Poor House goes down as you get more, because they're all treasures. Two can be good but the third is just a Silver, and the fourth is a Copper.

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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2018, 10:32:54 am »
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This is so, so cool! Really looking forward to trying these combos out. Thanks Donald!
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2018, 10:55:04 am »
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Do inherited Estates become Treasures? My first hunch is no.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2018, 11:09:01 am »
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Do inherited Estates become Treasures? My first hunch is no.

I can really see this going either way. Your Estates are definitely "actions"; the only question is do they have anything "in their text". Inheritance gives your Estates the "abilities" of another card; I suppose it's reasonable that having an ability doesn't mean that you have that text. So you're probably correct on your hunch; but I can't be sure.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2018, 11:19:21 am »
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They become Treasures (if the inherited card becomes one). The effect of Inheritance is supposed to give them text in my understanding. And IIRC Donald at least agreed on the outcome. One other argument is that the set aside card becomes a Treasure, so the Estates copy that independly of them being directly affected by Capitalism.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2018, 11:37:14 am »
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They become Treasures (if the inherited card becomes one). The effect of Inheritance is supposed to give them text in my understanding. And IIRC Donald at least agreed on the outcome. One other argument is that the set aside card becomes a Treasure, so the Estates copy that independly of them being directly affected by Capitalism.
Well if this is so, then we can have a quintuple-type card by Inheriting Dame Sylvia in Capitalism!

EDIT: Werewolf Inherited will be a sixtuple type!
« Last Edit: November 05, 2018, 11:40:31 am by faust »
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2018, 12:08:31 pm »
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They become Treasures (if the inherited card becomes one). The effect of Inheritance is supposed to give them text in my understanding. And IIRC Donald at least agreed on the outcome. One other argument is that the set aside card becomes a Treasure, so the Estates copy that independly of them being directly affected by Capitalism.
Well if this is so, then we can have a quintuple-type card by Inheriting Dame Sylvia in Capitalism!

EDIT: Werewolf Inherited will be a sixtuple type!

Capitalism does nothing to Werewolf.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2018, 12:19:01 pm »
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Leprechaun will be pretty easy to activate now.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2018, 12:31:35 pm »
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Leprechaun will be pretty easy to activate now.
Why? Capitalism does not turn Leprechaun into a Treasure...
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