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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2018, 12:32:29 pm »
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They become Treasures (if the inherited card becomes one). The effect of Inheritance is supposed to give them text in my understanding. And IIRC Donald at least agreed on the outcome. One other argument is that the set aside card becomes a Treasure, so the Estates copy that independly of them being directly affected by Capitalism.
Well if this is so, then we can have a quintuple-type card by Inheriting Dame Sylvia in Capitalism!

EDIT: Werewolf Inherited will be a sixtuple type!

Capitalism does nothing to Werewolf.

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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2018, 12:36:28 pm »
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Another interaction, which I noticed: you can make Peddlers cheaper on boards without non-terminal actions (other than Peddler). 
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2018, 12:36:38 pm »
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They become Treasures (if the inherited card becomes one). The effect of Inheritance is supposed to give them text in my understanding. And IIRC Donald at least agreed on the outcome. One other argument is that the set aside card becomes a Treasure, so the Estates copy that independly of them being directly affected by Capitalism.
Well if this is so, then we can have a quintuple-type card by Inheriting Dame Sylvia in Capitalism!

EDIT: Werewolf Inherited will be a sixtuple type!

Capitalism does nothing to Werewolf.
Ah. I got carried away. Since Inherited Werewolfs were already quintuple type, I guess that number does not increase with Capitalism.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2018, 12:49:06 pm »
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you can now megaturn with stewards and bridges. that's pretty neat.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2018, 02:43:37 pm »
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Leprechaun will be pretty easy to activate now.
Why? Capitalism does not turn Leprechaun into a Treasure...

You're right my bad.  I haven't played with it yet and misunderstood how it works
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2018, 02:54:58 pm »
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Mandarin lets you scheme all those Treasure Actions in play.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2018, 04:30:12 pm »
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Does it interact with Coppersmith?
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2018, 05:06:07 pm »
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Does it interact with Coppersmith?
No, Coppersmith has no + in its text.

you can now megaturn with stewards and bridges. that's pretty neat.
Oh yes, Steward becones a Laboratory. Nice finding!
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2018, 05:17:39 pm »
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Oh yes, Steward becones a Laboratory. Nice finding!

Only if all the Action cards you want to play afterwards are also affected by Capitalism.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2018, 06:36:28 pm »
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Oh yes, Steward becones a Laboratory. Nice finding!

Only if all the Action cards you want to play afterwards are also affected by Capitalism.
Fortunately, on a Steward board, there's guaranteed to be some good effects available in that phase.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2018, 09:26:30 pm »
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Oh yes, Steward becones a Laboratory. Nice finding!

Only if all the Action cards you want to play afterwards are also affected by Capitalism.
Fortunately, on a Steward board, there's guaranteed to be some good effects available in that phase.

Well, Silver is always available.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2018, 09:29:14 pm »
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It seems like a pretty big deal for one of my favorite cards, Pirate Ship.

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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2018, 12:02:52 am »
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Black Market will enable some serious craziness as well.
We can use coffers in the Black Market now!

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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2018, 02:30:47 am »
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Capitalism drastically simplifies infinite loops. This is a loop for arbitrary amounts of VP:

Hand: Storyteller, Rogue, Monument, Watchtower

Trash: Mandarin

Play Storyteller to play Monument, Rogue gaining Mandarin (topdeck Storyteller, Monument, Rogue), reveal Watchtower to trash, draw Storyteller, Monument, Rogue back from Storyteller.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2018, 04:49:11 am »
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Black Market will enable some serious craziness as well.
We can use coffers in the Black Market now!
Good catch - that doesn't work online yet.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #40 on: November 06, 2018, 08:24:52 am »
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Capitalism drastically simplifies infinite loops. This is a loop for arbitrary amounts of VP:

Hand: Storyteller, Rogue, Monument, Watchtower

Trash: Mandarin

Play Storyteller to play Monument, Rogue gaining Mandarin (topdeck Storyteller, Monument, Rogue), reveal Watchtower to trash, draw Storyteller, Monument, Rogue back from Storyteller.

Awesome find. You don't even need Monument per se; anything with +coins and +buy will also do the trick, since you can play it an arbitrary amount of times and just empty the supply afterwards. Goons is best, of course, but you win even without the VP chips.

Still, you'll likely not see a board with all of Mandarin, Storyteller, Watchtower, Rogue and Capitalism in a lifetime if you always play full random.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #41 on: November 06, 2018, 08:30:05 am »
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Capitalism drastically simplifies infinite loops. This is a loop for arbitrary amounts of VP:

Hand: Storyteller, Rogue, Monument, Watchtower

Trash: Mandarin

Play Storyteller to play Monument, Rogue gaining Mandarin (topdeck Storyteller, Monument, Rogue), reveal Watchtower to trash, draw Storyteller, Monument, Rogue back from Storyteller.

Awesome find. You don't even need Monument per se; anything with +coins and +buy will also do the trick, since you can play it an arbitrary amount of times and just empty the supply afterwards. Goons is best, of course, but you win even without the VP chips.

Still, you'll likely not see a board with all of Mandarin, Storyteller, Watchtower, Rogue and Capitalism in a lifetime if you always play full random.

You'd need some way to build up coins, which you can't do if Storyteller keeps eating them. But it should be simple enough to find an alternative to Storyteller.

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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #42 on: November 06, 2018, 08:56:04 am »
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Capitalism drastically simplifies infinite loops. This is a loop for arbitrary amounts of VP:

Hand: Storyteller, Rogue, Monument, Watchtower

Trash: Mandarin

Play Storyteller to play Monument, Rogue gaining Mandarin (topdeck Storyteller, Monument, Rogue), reveal Watchtower to trash, draw Storyteller, Monument, Rogue back from Storyteller.

Awesome find. You don't even need Monument per se; anything with +coins and +buy will also do the trick, since you can play it an arbitrary amount of times and just empty the supply afterwards. Goons is best, of course, but you win even without the VP chips.

Still, you'll likely not see a board with all of Mandarin, Storyteller, Watchtower, Rogue and Capitalism in a lifetime if you always play full random.

You'd need some way to build up coins, which you can't do if Storyteller keeps eating them. But it should be simple enough to find an alternative to Storyteller.

I think Black Market plus Festival would work to provide unbounded buys and coins.
You play BM, and then Festival to get two actions. Now you can play Monument and Rogue as part of BM, gaining Mandarin to topdeck all four cards and trashing Mandarin as before. You have now two actions and use one for Watch Tower to draw your topdecked cards. The last remaining action can be used for BM again at which point the cycle repeats.   
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #43 on: November 06, 2018, 09:01:42 am »
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You're gonna run out of Watchtowers, though.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #44 on: November 06, 2018, 09:29:26 am »
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You're gonna run out of Watchtowers, though.

Ah yes, that's true.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #45 on: November 06, 2018, 09:32:13 am »
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Miser, Farmer's Market, Tormentor especially benefit from removing the action requirement.
Vassal and Conclave let you play any actions in your buy phase.
And finally some love for Dame Sylvia.

But Minion becomes crazy. Instead of using Minions or other actions for coin you can just play all your non-Minion treasures, play Minion, get new non-Minion treasures and maybe another Minion, et cetera.

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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #46 on: November 06, 2018, 10:09:26 am »
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I would think this would make Flag Bearer a stronger option, if there's no way to trash it instead.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #47 on: November 06, 2018, 10:35:22 am »
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You'd need some way to build up coins, which you can't do if Storyteller keeps eating them. But it should be simple enough to find an alternative to Storyteller.

Very minimalistic solution: +card on Rogue, hand: Rogue, Watchtower. top of deck: Rogue. trash: Mandarin.

Now you can just keep playing Rogue for Mandarin and trash it. Any Rogue will draw the last topdecked Rogue.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #48 on: November 06, 2018, 01:55:50 pm »
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Herbalist also gains new utility, with more options for what can be put back on your deck, in addition to also being a Treasure itself.
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Re: Fun or interesting combos with Capitalism
« Reply #49 on: November 06, 2018, 03:50:19 pm »
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Just played a game with Black Market and Capitalism. Got Tactician, Storyteller, Scepter, Conclave from the BM. It was pure madness.

Salvager and Mercenary also become Treasures by Capitalism, both of them work very fine.
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