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Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« on: October 15, 2018, 02:51:11 pm »
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For anyone in the know  ;) it feels like we're getting close to shipping...

Any idea on the dates when this glory will be spread amongst the people?
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2018, 02:54:40 pm »
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I don't know if there's an exact date, but last I heard it was supposed to be in stores near the very end of October.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2018, 02:58:15 pm »
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I heard 10/28 somewhere...
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2018, 08:35:59 pm »
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Some copies have already shipped to distributors. They have to all get there though to announce a street date. We still expect late October.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2018, 05:50:53 pm »
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Anyone know when we'll see copies on the shelves in the UK? Do we have to wait for them to become available in the UK and then pootle across the Atlantic?
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2018, 11:01:28 am »
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I heard 10/28 somewhere...

Happy birthday to me...
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2018, 11:10:26 am »
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I heard 10/28 somewhere...

Happy birthday to me...

That happens to be my mother's birthday as well.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2018, 06:58:14 pm »
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So at least will there be some copies at Spiel´18?
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2018, 01:04:18 am »
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So at least will there be some copies at Spiel´18?
I don't think so. Altenburger wasn't given permission to have it at Spiel (Essen) ahead of the street date. My latest info - no delays so far - still puts the street date at sometime in the week of Oct 28 - Nov 3. Oct 28 is the last day of Spiel.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2018, 09:26:25 pm »
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when will we get to play it here?
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2018, 09:01:08 am »
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When's it going to be released? This is very late October. Will it be November till we see all the cards?
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2018, 09:51:54 am »
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When's it going to be released? This is very late October. Will it be November till we see all the cards?

The latest info still says sometime this week.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2018, 10:56:26 am »
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When's it going to be released? This is very late October. Will it be November till we see all the cards?

The latest info still says sometime this week.

It's showing as a new release on the RGG site, which is usually when Jay uploads the rules PDF.  However, the PDF isn't there yet.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2018, 12:50:46 pm »
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I'm starting to be a pain in the neck to my LBGS.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2018, 01:13:21 pm »
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I'm starting to be a pain in the neck to my LBGS.

Man, I remember those days. "Is it too soon to call the store again? Probably."

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*calls store*
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2018, 03:04:17 pm »
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SoonTM
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2018, 03:25:34 pm »
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Nocturne's release here in Canada was so uhhh fluid? that I was calling every BGS in the city at least once a day in order to get a copy. I left work early in order to get it from the first store that had one.

This year my stakes are higher because I'm hoping to release my fan expansion in time to get a few physicals for some friends as Christmas presents.... so I need to know how many cards are broken asap!

Plus, I need to give Donald more money, because that's what I do :)
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2018, 06:24:02 am »
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SoonTM

Who owns the trademark? Valve?
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2018, 09:39:12 am »
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SoonTM

Who owns the trademark? Valve?

They must have bought it from Blizzard Entertainment.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2018, 04:04:56 pm »
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2018, 04:41:07 pm »
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Looks more like end of next week:
https://boardgamegeek.com/article/30365581#30365581

So what have I been compulsively checking FDS for all day???
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2018, 07:49:38 pm »
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The street date could be "as early" as Friday, is expected to be no later than Monday.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2018, 03:53:08 am »
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2018, 04:45:49 pm »
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The games are in Chicago (RGG has warehouses in Chicago). So we are down to the time the trucks take.

For online players, Stef told me he needs until Monday. Direct further online questions to the ShuffleIT forums. http://forum.shuffleit.nl/
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2018, 07:00:17 pm »
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Monday is fine. Not like I have a lot of time this weekend. :P
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2018, 07:54:50 am »
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Here is the latest news from Jay, crossposted from the discord.

- the rulebook will go up sometime on Monday
- with Jay shipping on Monday, conceivably someone will have it Tuesday, certainly some people will have it Wednesday, but there's no guarantee any particular store will have it then, it's all down to how far the distributor is and how quickly they spring into action
- there will be some copies in English in Europe at the same time; I don't know how you get those but they will be there, lurking
- Jay said ShuffleIT could put the online version up Monday; Stef will pick a time and announce it in his forums
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2018, 09:27:16 am »
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Here is the latest news from Jay, crossposted from the discord.

- the rulebook will go up sometime on Monday
- with Jay shipping on Monday, conceivably someone will have it Tuesday, certainly some people will have it Wednesday, but there's no guarantee any particular store will have it then, it's all down to how far the distributor is and how quickly they spring into action
- there will be some copies in English in Europe at the same time; I don't know how you get those but they will be there, lurking
- Jay said ShuffleIT could put the online version up Monday; Stef will pick a time and announce it in his forums

Heavy breathing.

EDIT: There won't happen to be any at Spellenspektakel 2018?
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #27 on: November 03, 2018, 06:07:43 pm »
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EDIT: There won't happen to be any at Spellenspektakel 2018?
That is not information I have.

There is an entity Jay works with in Europe that got copies directly from Altenburger, meaning they have them already. I don't know who they are but I mean they aren't trying to hide, they want to sell their products.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2018, 05:36:16 am »
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EDIT: There won't happen to be any at Spellenspektakel 2018?
That is not information I have.

There is an entity Jay works with in Europe that got copies directly from Altenburger, meaning they have them already. I don't know who they are but I mean they aren't trying to hide, they want to sell their products.

Afaik, the vendor of the Dutch version is 999 Games and not ASS Altenburger. Or does ASS Altenburger also produce the Dutch cards?
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2018, 05:42:35 am »
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I'm pretty sure we're talking about English copies here, which seem to be printed by Altenburger
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2018, 05:59:25 am »
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I'm pretty sure we're talking about English copies here, which seem to be printed by Altenburger
Correct.

999 Games does make the Dutch version of Dominion; I don't know if they will do this expansion at all, or when they might do it, or who would print it for them. That's all utterly unrelated to the fact that some European company is distributing English copies of Renaissance.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2018, 07:27:04 am »
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I'm pretty sure we're talking about English copies here, which seem to be printed by Altenburger
Correct.

999 Games does make the Dutch version of Dominion; I don't know if they will do this expansion at all, or when they might do it, or who would print it for them. That's all utterly unrelated to the fact that some European company is distributing English copies of Renaissance.

Yes, I'm talking about English copies.
In my experience, 999 Games usually publishes the Dutch version about a year after the original has released.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2018, 04:19:08 am »
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The rulebook is up.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2018, 04:29:34 am »
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Capitalism...whoa!  Most interesting thing in the set.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2018, 04:34:14 am »
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Capitalism...whoa!  Most interesting thing in the set.

...and then I read Fleet.  I'm also intrigued by Crop Rotation.  Should I be buying Duchies with 5 earlier?  Estates with spare buys and 2 bucks in midgame?
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2018, 05:15:32 am »
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Capitalism...whoa!  Most interesting thing in the set.

...and then I read Fleet.  I'm also intrigued by Crop Rotation.  Should I be buying Duchies with 5 earlier?  Estates with spare buys and 2 bucks in midgame?

Just play as with Shephard I could imagine, not too mindboggling.

But Capitalism, yeah. How, what, huh, oh man. 

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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2018, 05:28:33 am »
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Well since someone will do it eventually, here are all the cards that can reveal Patron (tell me if I miss any).

Removed (5): Scout, Spy, Thief, Saboteur, Tribute, Adventurer
Dominion (2): Bureaucrat, Bandit
Intrigue (4): Shanty Town, Wishing Well, Courtier, Patrol
Seaside (3): Ambassador, Cutpurse, Pirate Ship
Alchemy (3): Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Golem
Prosperity (3): Loan, Rabble, Venture
Cornucopia (5): Fortune Teller, Menagerie, Farming Village, Harvest, Hunting Party
Hinterlands (4): Crossroads, Oracle, Noble Brigand, Inn
Dark Ages (11): Poor House, Vagrant, Sage, Ironmonger, Wandering Minstrel, Knights, Mystic, Pillage, Rebuild, Rogue, Madman
Guilds (5): Doctor, Advisor, Taxman, Herald, Journeyman
Adventures (2): Magpie, Giant
Empires (6): City Quarter, Royal Blacksmith, Patrician, Chariot Race, Gladiator, Grand Castle
Nocturne (6): Raider, Will-o'-Wisp, Ghost, Bad Omens, Famine, War
Renaissance (4): Border Guard, Seer, Villain, Piazza
Promo (2): Black Market, Envoy
Total: 65 cards

Edited: Venture, Black Market, Envoy, Tribute, Bureaucrat, Pirate Ship, Adventurer
« Last Edit: November 05, 2018, 11:00:42 am by dz »
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2018, 05:31:35 am »
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Random comments as I go through this.

- I like that Cargo Ship is a Duration. Nice nod to Seaside.
- Hideout is an interesting trasher, and an interesting Village, while being still very simple. Neat design!
- I thought things happening at the start of cleanup would be avoided in the future, but I guess the rules confusion of Improve with Scheme /Hermit etc. is not too big.
- Lackeys seem so similar to Silk Merchant. I'm confused why we have both.
- I wonder why Old Witch went with the Curse trashing instead of a Mountebank-like reaction. Result is mostly the same other than Curses running out more quickly.
- finally an on-reveal reaction!
- I feel like Research would be a better name for a project than a card. Oh well. Duration-Apprentice is an interesting concept.
- Scepter is very cool both from flavor perspective and mechanics. Sceptering a Throne Room gets as crazy as Villa.
- Academy could enable pretty amazing megaturns.
- Capitalism is cool, but I am somewhat disappointed that it won't count the +1$ token since that would be a lot of fun.
- Exploration seems like a strange thematic choice as what it does is quite different from both Explorer and Expedition.
- If I understand Fleet correctly, everyone but the last player could have an Outpost turn? That seems like a somewhat unfair ruling, but I understand that it is consistent and I guess the last player is also the one who makes the choice to end the game, so it's fine.
- I like that Sinister Plot uses the available tokens to do another thing.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2018, 05:35:55 am »
+1

Well since someone will do it eventually, here are all the cards that can reveal Patron (tell me if I miss any).
I wonder if this will depend on your translation. I imagine that in the past, people did not pay close attention to keeping this keyword while translating.
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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2018, 05:57:04 am »
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Capitalism + Pirate ship: Primitive Accumulation of Capital, the triangular trade.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2018, 06:00:12 am by Ethan »
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2018, 06:24:52 am »
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Well since someone will do it eventually, here are all the cards that can reveal Patron (tell me if I miss any).

Removed (4): Scout, Spy, Thief, Saboteur
Dominion (1): Bandit
Intrigue (4): Shanty Town, Wishing Well, Courtier, Patrol
Seaside (2): Ambassador, Cutpurse
Alchemy (3): Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Golem
Prosperity (2): Loan, Rabble
Cornucopia (5): Fortune Teller, Menagerie, Farming Village, Harvest, Hunting Party
Hinterlands (4): Crossroads, Oracle, Noble Brigand, Inn
Dark Ages (11): Poor House, Vagrant, Sage, Ironmonger, Wandering Minstrel, Knights, Mystic, Pillage, Rebuild, Rogue, Madman
Guilds (5): Doctor, Advisor, Taxman, Herald, Journeyman
Adventures (2): Magpie, Giant
Empires (6): City Quarter, Royal Blacksmith, Patrician, Chariot Race, Gladiator, Grand Castle
Nocturne (6): Raider, Will-o'-Wisp, Ghost, Bad Omens, Famine, War
Renaissance (4): Border Guard, Seer, Villain, Piazza
Total: 59 cards

You forgot Tribute and Envoy.

Dutch Cutpurse and Taxman don't contain 'toon' or 'tonen'. I haven't checked Nocturne because I only have it in English. I can imagine other non-English translations may have similar problems.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2018, 06:30:30 am »
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Capitalism...whoa!  Most interesting thing in the set.

...and then I read Fleet.  I'm also intrigued by Crop Rotation.  Should I be buying Duchies with 5 earlier?  Estates with spare buys and 2 bucks in midgame?

Just play as with Shephard I could imagine, not too mindboggling.

Shepherd wants lots of green.  Crop Rotation wants exactly one in each hand
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2018, 06:31:42 am »
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You forgot Tribute and Envoy.

Ah right. Somehow I forgot about the promos, and there's also Black Market (if Patron is in the Black Market deck).
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2018, 06:55:07 am »
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Capitalism allows you to play a Black Market with Black Market. That could easily lead to a lot of revealed cards. (This was previoulsy possible, but way less practical, with Crown) I wonder if the online interface is equipped to handle this.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2018, 06:57:12 am »
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I made a thread to discuss the rulebook so shipping-related stuff can remain here.
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« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2018, 08:21:57 am »
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Capitalism allows you to play a Black Market with Black Market. That could easily lead to a lot of revealed cards. (This was previoulsy possible, but way less practical, with Crown) I wonder if the online interface is equipped to handle this.
I tried it four deep and it was fine.
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« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2018, 10:08:43 am »
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Well since someone will do it eventually, here are all the cards that can reveal Patron (tell me if I miss any).

Removed (5): Scout, Spy, Thief, Saboteur, Tribute
Dominion (1): Bandit
Intrigue (4): Shanty Town, Wishing Well, Courtier, Patrol
Seaside (2): Ambassador, Cutpurse
Alchemy (3): Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Golem
Prosperity (3): Loan, Rabble, Venture
Cornucopia (5): Fortune Teller, Menagerie, Farming Village, Harvest, Hunting Party
Hinterlands (4): Crossroads, Oracle, Noble Brigand, Inn
Dark Ages (11): Poor House, Vagrant, Sage, Ironmonger, Wandering Minstrel, Knights, Mystic, Pillage, Rebuild, Rogue, Madman
Guilds (5): Doctor, Advisor, Taxman, Herald, Journeyman
Adventures (2): Magpie, Giant
Empires (6): City Quarter, Royal Blacksmith, Patrician, Chariot Race, Gladiator, Grand Castle
Nocturne (6): Raider, Will-o'-Wisp, Ghost, Bad Omens, Famine, War
Renaissance (4): Border Guard, Seer, Villain, Piazza
Promo (2): Black Market, Envoy
Total: 63 cards

I haven't gone through the whole thing, but there's also Bureucrat, which reveals opponents' hands when it misses.
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« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2018, 10:47:03 am »
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Well since someone will do it eventually, here are all the cards that can reveal Patron (tell me if I miss any).

Removed (5): Scout, Spy, Thief, Saboteur, Tribute
Dominion (1): Bandit
Intrigue (4): Shanty Town, Wishing Well, Courtier, Patrol
Seaside (2): Ambassador, Cutpurse
Alchemy (3): Apothecary, Scrying Pool, Golem
Prosperity (3): Loan, Rabble, Venture
Cornucopia (5): Fortune Teller, Menagerie, Farming Village, Harvest, Hunting Party
Hinterlands (4): Crossroads, Oracle, Noble Brigand, Inn
Dark Ages (11): Poor House, Vagrant, Sage, Ironmonger, Wandering Minstrel, Knights, Mystic, Pillage, Rebuild, Rogue, Madman
Guilds (5): Doctor, Advisor, Taxman, Herald, Journeyman
Adventures (2): Magpie, Giant
Empires (6): City Quarter, Royal Blacksmith, Patrician, Chariot Race, Gladiator, Grand Castle
Nocturne (6): Raider, Will-o'-Wisp, Ghost, Bad Omens, Famine, War
Renaissance (4): Border Guard, Seer, Villain, Piazza
Promo (2): Black Market, Envoy
Total: 63 cards

Dominion: Bureaucrat
Seaside: Pirate Ship
Prosperity: Mint (with Capitalism)
Nocturne: Shepherd
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« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2018, 10:52:59 am »
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Well since someone will do it eventually, here are all the cards that can reveal Patron (tell me if I miss any).
Nocturne: Shepherd
Shepherd can only reveal Victory cards. You might have inherited Patrons, but your Estates are still Estates.
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« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2018, 11:03:25 am »
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Right. I'm looking at it from the point of view: Which cards need to be tested to be sure they work with the Patron effect? And then Shepherd comes in again.
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« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2018, 12:18:02 pm »
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How about Opulent Castle? Although it doesn't says revealing them, if you don't reaval them then there's no way to tell those cards(expect the top card discarded) are victory cards or not.
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« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2018, 12:32:45 pm »
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It doesn't use the word "reveal", so it doesn't count for Patron.
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« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2018, 01:17:09 pm »
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« Reply #53 on: November 05, 2018, 04:36:53 pm »
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Will the first person who gets a shipping notice please post here?
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« Reply #54 on: November 07, 2018, 12:41:10 pm »
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I don't see this at CoolStuffInc or MiniatureMarket.  Any update on when stores like that should have them in stock?  (even if it's "within the next 3 days")
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« Reply #55 on: November 07, 2018, 11:44:44 pm »
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Ordered from Amazon US (sold and shipped by Amazon) on Tue.  Got confirmation of pickup by carrier today at 5:30 PM CST.  Should be here Fri. night.
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« Reply #56 on: November 08, 2018, 01:32:10 am »
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Ordered from Amazon US (sold and shipped by Amazon) on Tue.  Got confirmation of pickup by carrier today at 5:30 PM CST.  Should be here Fri. night.

How? I literally can't find it on Amazon. This url, which contains "Dominion-Renaissance" in it, goes to a page that sells the base set.
https://www.amazon.com/Rio-Grande-Games-Dominion-Renaissance/dp/B07GRF6L3N
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« Reply #58 on: November 08, 2018, 08:33:01 am »
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How? I literally can't find it on Amazon. This url, which contains "Dominion-Renaissance" in it, goes to a page that sells the base set.
https://www.amazon.com/Rio-Grande-Games-Dominion-Renaissance/dp/B07GRF6L3N

That's really weird.  That's the URL of the product I ordered.  In my cart, it still shows a picture of Renaissance, but when I click on it, it goes to the base game.  It definitely was Renaissance a few days ago, no reviews, etc.  It would be real annoying to end up with the wrong thing here.
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« Reply #59 on: November 08, 2018, 08:33:40 am »
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Ordered from Amazon US (sold and shipped by Amazon) on Tue.  Got confirmation of pickup by carrier today at 5:30 PM CST.  Should be here Fri. night.

How? I literally can't find it on Amazon. This url, which contains "Dominion-Renaissance" in it, goes to a page that sells the base set.
https://www.amazon.com/Rio-Grande-Games-Dominion-Renaissance/dp/B07GRF6L3N

That's odd, I get the same result now too.  Even when I click on my order, it goes to the Base Game.  It was Renaissance when I ordered it.  It had the right art and title on the box, had the right flavor text in the listing, everything.  That's worrisome.

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« Reply #60 on: November 08, 2018, 10:05:14 am »
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Here's the Amazon link, listed as currently unavailable:
https://www.amazon.com/Rio-Grande-Games-RIO558-Dominion/dp/B07HM7WZT9/
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« Reply #61 on: November 08, 2018, 10:06:53 am »
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Here's the Amazon link, listed as currently unavailable:
https://www.amazon.com/Rio-Grande-Games-RIO558-Dominion/dp/B07HM7WZT9/

That has a release date of December 14. Damn.
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« Reply #62 on: November 08, 2018, 01:34:47 pm »
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Here's the Amazon link, listed as currently unavailable:
https://www.amazon.com/Rio-Grande-Games-RIO558-Dominion/dp/B07HM7WZT9/

That has a release date of December 14. Damn.

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« Reply #64 on: November 08, 2018, 05:20:27 pm »
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It seems something's amiss. If we are to believe what Rio's people have put out, distributors should all have theirs by now.
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« Reply #65 on: November 08, 2018, 05:26:17 pm »
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Repeat post, it is available on Amazon now

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GRF6L3N/ie=UTF8&psc=1
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« Reply #66 on: November 08, 2018, 05:46:01 pm »
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The link from my Amazon order page once again takes me to a listing for Renaissance, so I'm hopeful that is indeed what they have sent me.
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« Reply #67 on: November 08, 2018, 08:05:20 pm »
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That's really weird.  That's the URL of the product I ordered.  In my cart, it still shows a picture of Renaissance, but when I click on it, it goes to the base game.  It definitely was Renaissance a few days ago, no reviews, etc.  It would be real annoying to end up with the wrong thing here.

I can confirm that even though Amazon's page changed for a while, my copy of Renaissance did arrive today.
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« Reply #68 on: November 08, 2018, 08:26:13 pm »
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What a bummer... I live in Norway, and even though the product description says that it ships to Norway, it changes at check-out. Now it says that it doesn’t.  :'(
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« Reply #69 on: November 08, 2018, 08:42:21 pm »
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What a bummer... I live in Norway, and even though the product description says that it ships to Norway, it changes at check-out. Now it says that it doesn’t.  :'(
There is a source of English copies in Europe. I don't know where it is but I would check around.
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« Reply #70 on: November 08, 2018, 10:16:35 pm »
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What a bummer... I live in Norway, and even though the product description says that it ships to Norway, it changes at check-out. Now it says that it doesn’t.  :'(
There is a source of English copies in Europe. I don't know where it is but I would check around.

OK, I’ll continue to look. Neither amazon.co.uk nor amazon.de have it, and the distributor for my FLGS (based in Denmark) doesn’t even have it in their database. I’ve tried some other European internet stores too, but so far I’ve had no luck. Does anyone have any specific suggestions?
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« Reply #71 on: November 08, 2018, 11:40:20 pm »
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That's really weird.  That's the URL of the product I ordered.  In my cart, it still shows a picture of Renaissance, but when I click on it, it goes to the base game.  It definitely was Renaissance a few days ago, no reviews, etc.  It would be real annoying to end up with the wrong thing here.

I can confirm that even though Amazon's page changed for a while, my copy of Renaissance did arrive today.

Excellent!  Renaissance for weekly game night is a go.  Assuming mine arrives on schedule.
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« Reply #72 on: November 09, 2018, 03:08:14 am »
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What a bummer... I live in Norway, and even though the product description says that it ships to Norway, it changes at check-out. Now it says that it doesn’t.  :'(
There is a source of English copies in Europe. I don't know where it is but I would check around.

I would appreciate that a lot. I haven't been able to find it so far.
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« Reply #73 on: November 09, 2018, 03:57:07 am »
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What a bummer... I live in Norway, and even though the product description says that it ships to Norway, it changes at check-out. Now it says that it doesn’t.  :'(
There is a source of English copies in Europe. I don't know where it is but I would check around.

I would appreciate that a lot. I haven't been able to find it so far.
I meant, I would check around if I were you. I recommend checking around. I don't know where to look. I'm not in Europe, I don't buy things from European stores.
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« Reply #74 on: November 09, 2018, 07:50:27 am »
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My FLGS in the UK is supplied by EsdeviumAsmodee UK, who probably also supply pretty much everyone else here. When they checked for me last Saturday, copies for the UK were still nowhere in sight. )-8
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« Reply #75 on: November 09, 2018, 05:07:25 pm »
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That's really weird.  That's the URL of the product I ordered.  In my cart, it still shows a picture of Renaissance, but when I click on it, it goes to the base game.  It definitely was Renaissance a few days ago, no reviews, etc.  It would be real annoying to end up with the wrong thing here.

I can confirm that even though Amazon's page changed for a while, my copy of Renaissance did arrive today.

Just to close the loop on this, despite the oddness with the Amazon listing, I too received the correct game.

Unfortunately, there are printing issues.  The scroll borders on Cargo Ship, Ducat, Patron, Scepter, and Spices (but not Research, strangely) are very faded; like the printer was running low on ink or something.  I've reached out RGG already.  Here's hoping mine is just a one off and this isn't a widespread issue.
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« Reply #76 on: November 09, 2018, 05:24:12 pm »
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That's really weird.  That's the URL of the product I ordered.  In my cart, it still shows a picture of Renaissance, but when I click on it, it goes to the base game.  It definitely was Renaissance a few days ago, no reviews, etc.  It would be real annoying to end up with the wrong thing here.

I can confirm that even though Amazon's page changed for a while, my copy of Renaissance did arrive today.

Just to close the loop on this, despite the oddness with the Amazon listing, I too received the correct game.

Unfortunately, there are printing issues.  The scroll borders on Cargo Ship, Ducat, Patron, Scepter, and Spices (but not Research, strangely) are very faded; like the printer was running low on ink or something.  I've reached out RGG already.  Here's hoping mine is just a one off and this isn't a widespread issue.

They are all like that. The layout sent to the printer was lighter for everything but Research.
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Oh no! Not more printing issues! )-8
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« Reply #78 on: November 09, 2018, 05:43:53 pm »
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That's really weird.  That's the URL of the product I ordered.  In my cart, it still shows a picture of Renaissance, but when I click on it, it goes to the base game.  It definitely was Renaissance a few days ago, no reviews, etc.  It would be real annoying to end up with the wrong thing here.

I can confirm that even though Amazon's page changed for a while, my copy of Renaissance did arrive today.

Just to close the loop on this, despite the oddness with the Amazon listing, I too received the correct game.

Unfortunately, there are printing issues.  The scroll borders on Cargo Ship, Ducat, Patron, Scepter, and Spices (but not Research, strangely) are very faded; like the printer was running low on ink or something.  I've reached out RGG already.  Here's hoping mine is just a one off and this isn't a widespread issue.

They are all like that. The layout sent to the printer was lighter for everything but Research.

Seriously???
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« Reply #79 on: November 09, 2018, 05:55:31 pm »
+1

That's really weird.  That's the URL of the product I ordered.  In my cart, it still shows a picture of Renaissance, but when I click on it, it goes to the base game.  It definitely was Renaissance a few days ago, no reviews, etc.  It would be real annoying to end up with the wrong thing here.

I can confirm that even though Amazon's page changed for a while, my copy of Renaissance did arrive today.

Just to close the loop on this, despite the oddness with the Amazon listing, I too received the correct game.

Unfortunately, there are printing issues.  The scroll borders on Cargo Ship, Ducat, Patron, Scepter, and Spices (but not Research, strangely) are very faded; like the printer was running low on ink or something.  I've reached out RGG already.  Here's hoping mine is just a one off and this isn't a widespread issue.

They are all like that. The layout sent to the printer was lighter for everything but Research.

That's just great.  I imagine that means I shouldn't expect replacements any time soon.
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« Reply #80 on: November 09, 2018, 06:00:52 pm »
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Does it affect the card backs, or only the front?
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« Reply #81 on: November 09, 2018, 06:03:04 pm »
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Cool, Kickstarter level QC at RGG.
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« Reply #82 on: November 09, 2018, 06:43:19 pm »
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Does it affect the card backs, or only the front?
Just the front. It's a mistake the layout guy made that we didn't catch. I had no idea I should be comparing the colors to previous files. How would that possibly be wrong? He got it wrong though.

The Action cards are all slightly lighter too; as Mic notes, it's everything but Research. Why Research is correct I couldn't tell you.

Odds are it will be a few years before there are fixed copies. I take solace in the fact that everyone either plays with sleeves (obscuring this some) or doesn't (all their older cards are worn so they already look different).
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« Reply #83 on: November 10, 2018, 12:01:58 am »
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Honestly, this doesn't really bother me.  Every single set has slight variations in banner coloring - just look at the recommended kingdoms on the wiki and you'll see.
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« Reply #84 on: November 10, 2018, 03:06:32 am »
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I'm aware of the variations from set to set, but come on, put Cargo Ship next to Research and call that a slight variation. This is way beyond that.

And Donald, sorry man, I love your games and I appreciate what you bring to this forum, but your "I take solace..." comment rubs me the wrong way. To be clear, sleeves don't obscure jack, but that's not really the point. You shouldn't take solace in any part of this. You should be pissed (maybe you are, it just didn't seem that way). This is 2 of the last 4 expansions with significant printing issues. Once is an anomaly. Twice is a pattern.

And to hear that it may be years before fixed card are available. That's beyond disappointing, if accurate. I get that the cards are completely functional as is, but hell, why take the time to pick art work and design fancy border to begin with if function is all that matters.
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« Reply #85 on: November 10, 2018, 03:16:00 am »
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I'm aware of the variations from set to set, but come on, put Cargo Ship next to Research and call that a slight variation. This is way beyond that.

And Donald, sorry man, I love your games and I appreciate what you bring to this forum, but your "I take solace..." comment rubs me the wrong way. To be clear, sleeves don't obscure jack, but that's not really the point. You shouldn't take solace in any part of this. You should be pissed (maybe you are, it just didn't seem that way). This is 2 of the last 4 expansions with significant printing issues. Once is an anomaly. Twice is a pattern.

And to hear that it may be years before fixed card are available. That's beyond disappointing, if accurate. I get that the cards are completely functional as is, but hell, why take the time to pick art work and design fancy border to begin with if function is all that matters.
Why bother making the expansion? I went through plenty of that for Adventures, but made some more expansions anyway.

But man. Did I answer a question? My mistake. Direct all complaints to RGG. It's not my department, I'm just the guy who sucks it up.
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« Reply #86 on: November 10, 2018, 03:19:09 am »
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In Donald's defense, becoming pissed does not usually solve a whole lot.
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« Reply #87 on: November 10, 2018, 03:22:10 am »
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Mistakes happen. At least the cards aren't bendy.
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« Reply #88 on: November 10, 2018, 03:41:13 am »
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In Donald's defense, becoming pissed does not usually solve a whole lot.
Also, screaming in public at people you have to work with isn't so great.

We aren't looking to sell anything to anyone who doesn't want it. If the cards are no good for you, don't buy them, problem solved. You don't get to stop us from providing them to people who do want them; you just get to be mad at the fun they're having. If you bought the set because you weren't warned, well again that's not my department, I just get to suck up that hate, but you could try returning it as defective.

Here are images of new cards next to old ones; this doesn't include pure Actions which are also lighter.

https://i.imgur.com/s3no0L1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3SZ7S8k.jpg
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« Reply #89 on: November 10, 2018, 05:42:06 am »
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In Donald's defense, becoming pissed does not usually solve a whole lot.
Also, screaming in public at people you have to work with isn't so great.

We aren't looking to sell anything to anyone who doesn't want it. If the cards are no good for you, don't buy them, problem solved. You don't get to stop us from providing them to people who do want them; you just get to be mad at the fun they're having. If you bought the set because you weren't warned, well again that's not my department, I just get to suck up that hate, but you could try returning it as defective.

Here are images of new cards next to old ones; this doesn't include pure Actions which are also lighter.

https://i.imgur.com/s3no0L1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3SZ7S8k.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/wkcyusn.jpg

Wow, that's a lot more difference than I was expecting from what I read from the reactions.
But oh well, I probably won't get it until either I find those Europpean boxes or when 999 Games releases it, which usually takes a full year.
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« Reply #90 on: November 10, 2018, 08:35:42 am »
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Again, this does not in any way bother me, as long as the backs are not also faded. This has no mechanical effect on gameplay. They're going to feel the same when shuffling. The missing dividing line on 2e Treasury bothers me a lot more.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #91 on: November 10, 2018, 09:15:21 am »
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New suggestion for ShuffleIt: simulate printing errors. You can have the faded Renaissance cards, the bendy Adventures cards, any miscuts there were (was that Empires or Adventures?), and slightly different card backs for all expansions. That'll make it feel more like the real game. Then you can have people buy virtual card sleeves lest their Coppers and Estates get worn out.
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« Reply #92 on: November 10, 2018, 10:34:41 am »
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As long as the backs don't look different.  The Adventures cards are a bit lighter on the back, and mostly I try not to notice it.

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« Reply #93 on: November 10, 2018, 12:04:37 pm »
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As long as the backs are the same and the cards aren't bendy, this is a non-issue for me since it won't affect actual game play. It is certainly disappointing for RGG. Running a business isn't easy and mistakes happen that you sometimes have to swallow.
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« Reply #94 on: November 11, 2018, 12:14:53 am »
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Let me take a stab at clarifying something.  My main complaint wasn't really about the faded cards.  It was about the response to the issue.

I did send a note to RGG about the cards before I ever posted anything about it here.  The response was essentially: yeah, we know, but since it doesn't impact functionality, enjoy your defective cards.  We're not doing anything for you.

Then I come here and see the designer and primary "face" of the game seeming to say: I don't feel too bad about it, 'cause you can just throw some sleeves on them and it won't be so bad. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, Donald, if that's not how you meant it, but that's how it came across.

So yeah, I was irritated because the response I got seemed to marginalize the issue and attempt to make it less significant.  Now, judging by the other replies here, I'm in the minority regarding my feelings about how significant it is, so perhaps from a business standpoint, the response was perfect.  It just didn't sit well with me.

All that said, in the grand scheme, the issue, response, and my perception of it are all small things, so I won't belabor them any longer.

And for the record, I've played 10 or so games with the new cards since I got them and everyone, including me, enjoyed them immensely.  Faded cards aside, it's a great set.

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« Reply #95 on: November 11, 2018, 12:40:27 am »
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Then I come here and see the designer and primary "face" of the game seeming to say: I don't feel too bad about it, 'cause you can just throw some sleeves on them and it won't be so bad. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, Donald, if that's not how you meant it, but that's how it came across.
The lighter frames can't possibly suck as much for you as they suck for me. I mean, there's no remote chance of that. They super suck for me. Why do I waste time making expansions when other people will screw them up?

But your response to my response also sucks. I don't just get to have people unhappy at lighter frames; I get to have people saying I didn't scream in public at the people I have to work with enough for their tastes, I didn't contemplate suicide enough for them.

That's my response to your response to my response! And if this is what interacting with the community is, I'll again be done with it. It does me no good to scream at fans for screaming at me not screaming. But that's all I've got for you; you're that guy complaining about me trying to look on the bright side. I have no sympathy for that position.
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« Reply #96 on: November 11, 2018, 02:16:15 am »
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Here is a list of layout errors from first editions of previous expansions, when I was properly respectful of people's complaints (I do not know of any complaints about these layout errors, in case you're wondering how I managed that). It was a bummer that the cards were so poorly done, and when we did 2E main set and Intrigue we also put in the hours to get this stuff fixed (and fix up wordings too). We didn't have to do this and I couldn't tell why I didn't just take naps instead. It goes on and on; you proofread, provide a list of fixes to the layout guy, then proofread again and somehow have another list, and then another; for example I have 15 versions of the Renaissance kingdom cards (counting post-printing fixes - turns out the frames were too light). This isn't necessarily a complete list of the kinds of mistakes that have occurred - for example there maybe still be ones I don't know about - but hits on the various areas of a card.

- The titles aren't consistent in height, for example Militia is lower than Moneylender.
- Types aren't centered vertically, and aren't always the same horizontally, for example "Action - Attack" is farther left on Militia than on Saboteur. Also the spaces next to the dash are sometimes missing, e.g. Mercenary.
- The font isn't just way smaller than is sensible, it's also inconsistent, with random font changes like the tiny font on Transmute, and in fact almost every card in Seaside uses a different font than usual (compare Cellar and Embargo).
- "+1" sometimes has no space, sometimes one space, sometimes both on the same card, e.g. Caravan. Once in a while it has two spaces, e.g. Nomad Camp.
- Text isn't always vertically centered in the text box, e.g. Workshop, and cards with a dividing line tend not to center on each side of it or do anything nice-looking there, e.g. Moat.
- Normally each line of text is horizontally centered and ragged, but some cards justify the text, e.g. Horse Traders (which also I think is the only card that randomly has some incorrect bold text). Some cards also just randomly have off-center lines, e.g. Monument.
- When a coin symbol shows up in the text, sometimes the lines are spaced apart vertically to be even, but sometimes not, e.g. Pawn.
- The numbers on coins aren't always the same size (compare the $1's on Herbalist and Philosopher's Stone) and are often off-center in some way (e.g. Embargo). They are often too close to the text on one side or the other, e.g. the $4 on Talisman.
- Looking to see if I could find an error in the art, I have only just now noticed that Pearl Diver's art is a couple lines short of the top; compare the bottom of the title banner between Native Village and Pearl Diver. Sadly the 2E version also has this mistake; we didn't catch it and it was never reported. Of course the big one here is, Pathfinding went out with a big chunk of black on one side of the art, that you can think is a tree.
- There are of course artist attribution mistakes too, e.g. all the cards that say Claus Stefan.
- If you thought at least the expansion symbol never had a mistake, I am sorry to tell you that it's too small on the Update Pack versions of Artisan and Bandit. Isn't that weird. The 2E main set versions are fine somehow.
- And hey, we've had the frame be too light. Secret Cave has a lighter frame than the regular duration cards in Seaside etc. (the Night - Duration cards are lighter too, but there you can say, maybe they intended that). I've never seen a complaint there - a playtester noticed it apropos of the Renaissance frames being too light - but I mean I can't rule out that someone was sad. There's also how Necropolis doesn't match the other Shelters for which side is red, but I don't know if that qualifies as a "mistake" or just a "dumb thing."

You can go see this stuff on the wiki, except I didn't see a picture of Artisan or Bandit with a smaller expansion symbol. I have them right here though, it's a thing.

Of course versions in other languages have lots of text mistakes and who knows what layout mistakes.
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« Reply #97 on: November 11, 2018, 02:44:36 am »
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Then I come here and see the designer and primary "face" of the game seeming to say: I don't feel too bad about it, 'cause you can just throw some sleeves on them and it won't be so bad. I don't mean to put words in your mouth, Donald, if that's not how you meant it, but that's how it came across.
The lighter frames can't possibly suck as much for you as they suck for me. I mean, there's no remote chance of that. They super suck for me. Why do I waste time making expansions when other people will screw them up?

But your response to my response also sucks. I don't just get to have people unhappy at lighter frames; I get to have people saying I didn't scream in public at the people I have to work with enough for their tastes, I didn't contemplate suicide enough for them.

That's my response to your response to my response! And if this is what interacting with the community is, I'll again be done with it. It does me no good to scream at fans for screaming at me not screaming. But that's all I've got for you; you're that guy complaining about me trying to look on the bright side. I have no sympathy for that position.

I didn't ask you to scream at anyone or contemplate anything.  Those are your words and your definition of being pissed about something, not mine.

But hey, I misunderstood/mischaracterized something you said and now you've done the same to me.  Call it even?
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« Reply #98 on: November 11, 2018, 04:58:32 am »
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Dude, you sound incredibly entitled. Instead of “calling it even”, I recommend an actual apology.  Donald X owes you nothing—and the money you spent for this expansion isn’t nothing, but if you hate it so much that you can’t handle it, just stop buying the future expansions game. Complaining to the creator of it will only result in everyone else not getting to play more of the game they like.
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« Reply #99 on: November 11, 2018, 05:06:56 am »
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I didn't ask you to scream at anyone or contemplate anything.  Those are your words and your definition of being pissed about something, not mine.

But hey, I misunderstood/mischaracterized something you said and now you've done the same to me.  Call it even?
You said I should be pissed, meaning I hadn't adequately demonstrated pissed-ness to you, meaning you wanted my post to contain words of pissed-ness. Which would then be directed at entities I was pissed at, who happen to be entities I work for/with.

I do not think I am misunderstanding or mischaracterizing. I didn't call it "demanding me to write words of pissed-ness" because I want my posts to be better than that. I did not say any non sequiturs, it was all classic rhetorical techniques.

People sometimes would like me to side with them instead of people who I work with. That's not weird, and sometimes I do even. But it should be no surprise when I'm not there for you with that particular vitriol.
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« Reply #100 on: November 11, 2018, 05:08:39 am »
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Complaining to the creator of it will only result in everyone else not getting to play more of the game they like.
I try not to do things out of spite, and it's easy when it's something that looms large in your life, like working on expansions. I'm trying to take a break from working on expansions, but it's nothing to do with anything Dominion fans have said, pro or con.
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« Reply #101 on: November 11, 2018, 08:07:41 am »
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... but if you hate it so much that you can’t handle it, just stop buying the future expansions game.

That's actually very good advice, with the amendment "... until you have reports from players that have actually bought that expansion about the qualitiy of it in various different ways you care about." Buying things "unseen" has risks, that have materialied this time.  I have no idea if treating the current Renaissance box as defective has any kind of hope of being recongized by whatever consumer protection law exists where it matters for the original complainer.

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« Reply #102 on: November 11, 2018, 08:45:06 am »
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The fact that Donald X. is publicly acknowledging that RGG could have done something a bit better is already beyond what you should expect from a creator. Normally, if you work with someone, they did a totally awesome killer job and you had a great experience working with such cool people unless you got screwed over so bad that you never want to work with them again.
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« Reply #103 on: November 11, 2018, 09:47:14 am »
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I didn't ask you to scream at anyone or contemplate anything.  Those are your words and your definition of being pissed about something, not mine.

But hey, I misunderstood/mischaracterized something you said and now you've done the same to me.  Call it even?
You said I should be pissed, meaning I hadn't adequately demonstrated pissed-ness to you, meaning you wanted my post to contain words of pissed-ness. Which would then be directed at entities I was pissed at, who happen to be entities I work for/with.

No, that is not what I meant.  As I've explained, all I wanted in asking you to be pissed was to not make light of the issue, which is what it seemed to me that you were doing.  No ranting, to angry words, no public castigation of anyone necessary.  You said you weren't making light of it.  I said I believe you and I'm asking you to believe my explanation in return.  Either way though, thanks for the amazing game and farewell.
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« Reply #104 on: November 11, 2018, 12:11:18 pm »
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Many many games have had printing mistakes in them. Dominion is not an exception. The same thing happens in movies. Sometimes the audience notices, sometimes they don't. It's unfortunate the frames are lighter but not the end of the world.
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« Reply #105 on: November 12, 2018, 09:56:47 am »
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I didn't ask you to scream at anyone or contemplate anything.  Those are your words and your definition of being pissed about something, not mine.

But hey, I misunderstood/mischaracterized something you said and now you've done the same to me.  Call it even?
You said I should be pissed, meaning I hadn't adequately demonstrated pissed-ness to you, meaning you wanted my post to contain words of pissed-ness. Which would then be directed at entities I was pissed at, who happen to be entities I work for/with.

No, that is not what I meant.  As I've explained, all I wanted in asking you to be pissed was to not make light of the issue, which is what it seemed to me that you were doing.  No ranting, to angry words, no public castigation of anyone necessary.  You said you weren't making light of it.  I said I believe you and I'm asking you to believe my explanation in return.  Either way though, thanks for the amazing game and farewell.

I'd rather have these lighter frames than not having the cards at all, which is currently my situation, as I'm living in Europe. Still no shop which is willing to send to European addresses is having this set that I've seen. You're not alone in being noticeably bothered by such inconsistencies. I'm having a hang-up about such things myself, but if I can't control them, and God knows I don't when it comes to Dominion, I never bother other people with it.

You should've seen the countless iterations of Excel files I've made for Dominion throughout the years. When I notice that something is amiss, like cards having the wrong shade of a background color, wrong font, inconsistent font size or cell width, the wrong icons or faulty References listed, I'm pretty hard on myself, fix it up (or I won't be able to sleep), look at the fixed file, smile in utter satisfaction and dread the next inconsistency I'll find (I know there must be more of them).

These are things I can fix, so I fix them. I'm a sucker for card and board games, and they've given me a lot of grief during my lifetime when it comes to such inconsistencies, but man, if I measure and compare the pleasure and great memories they've provided, I've found that that grief is definitely something I'm perfectly willing to live with. The alternative (not playing these great games, or only playing them on a screen) are way, way worse to me. Besides, I know that I'm the problem if I let that ruin the game for me.
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« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2018, 11:38:00 am »
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Oh well. Things happen. I’m looking forward to receiving my copy just as much as I was before.
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« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2018, 06:05:22 pm »
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Complaining to the creator of it will only result in everyone else not getting to play more of the game they like.
I try not to do things out of spite, and it's easy when it's something that looms large in your life, like working on expansions. I'm trying to take a break from working on expansions, but it's nothing to do with anything Dominion fans have said, pro or con.

Perhaps some of the people posting here now weren't around when Donald called it quits on this forum. It really sucked! It is so cool that the designer of this game takes time to interact with this forum. The first time he responded to one of my posts, I saved the screen shot and still have it. It's that cool! Having him leave again would really suck again.

I will receive my copy on Tuesday and I'm sure I will be disappointed that the card layouts don't match. I was unhappy with the bendy cards when they came out and more unhappy that RGG didn't replace those even though it did affect game play. Stuff happens. I ended up gifting the set to someone who couldn't tell the cards were bendy (yes, they knew what was coming and were happy to have the set) and bought the 2nd edition. Just because Donald is available on this forum to complain to, doesn't mean he is the guy to complain to. He is not the face of RGG. He designed the game. RGG owns whatever rights and prints the game and that stuff is all on RGG. Donald likely has no sway over what stuff RGG will and won't do in that regard although he does sometimes have information he has shared with us as allowed by RGG and I'm sure that more often than not Donald wishes he hadn't said anything about that stuff at all.

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« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2018, 06:25:21 pm »
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Perhaps some of the people posting here now weren't around when Donald called it quits on this forum. It really sucked! It is so cool that the designer of this game takes time to interact with this forum. The first time he responded to one of my posts, I saved the screen shot and still have it. It's that cool! Having him leave again would really suck again.
Thanks, but of course people have to feel free to say they hate whatever. I'm not complaining that people are unhappy, I'm complaining about complaints about what I've said.

I feel like pointing out again that Secret Cave is a lighter orange, just like Cargo Ship, and no-one ever reported this. There's not the same as 24 out of 25 cards and so on and on, but, it's a thing, the people out there who might have been angry online about that either did not see it or did not speak up. It may not ruin as many games as it seems like it might.
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« Reply #109 on: November 12, 2018, 09:58:55 pm »
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Maybe the 24 cards in Renaissance are correct and it's all the rest that are wrong.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #110 on: November 12, 2018, 10:13:39 pm »
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The best part is, the wrong orange looks way better than the right orange. Time to change all the other older Duration cards to be the new color in the next edition.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #111 on: November 12, 2018, 11:51:42 pm »
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My wife and I really enjoy Dominion. We have all the expansions and promo cards and are looking forward to Renaissance. I imagine our local game store will have it sometime in the next week or so.

I'm sorry to read some of the negative comments in this thread about what are really very minor issues.

I've read over the text of some of most the cards and am really looking forward to how they play in a game. There are always nice surprises and unexpected combinations.

Donald, sincere thanks and appreciation. I hope you keep adding to the game.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #112 on: November 13, 2018, 04:11:36 am »
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It's kind of amusing to me how upset people can get about trivial things like card colors being somewhat different (as long as it's the front and not the back - that would be horrible), when instead we Dutchies have to deal with this: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=19206.0

Now THOSE are mistakes.

And even then I don't actually get THAT upset about it, I just have to remember how the actual cards work and not forget to tell people before the game starts.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #113 on: November 13, 2018, 11:21:19 am »
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The color differences certainly won't stop me from buying the set. My biggest concern is Donald’s comment above about taking a break from expansions.

Donald, the break is well deserved and earned.  Thanks for a great game. Hopefully the break won’t be too long  ;).
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« Reply #114 on: November 13, 2018, 12:00:51 pm »
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I feel like pointing out again that Secret Cave is a lighter orange, just like Cargo Ship, and no-one ever reported this.

I actually did notice the different color on Secret Cave, but I didn't think much of it. It certainly wasn't impacting gameplay and I didn't consider it worth reporting. I'm very much looking forward to playing with the new Renaissance cards.

I'm just happy Donald takes the time he does to help the game he designed be the best product it can be. Not all game designers put in that much effort and not all publishers are as accommodating to those designers that are so dedicated.
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« Reply #115 on: November 14, 2018, 12:19:45 pm »
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I received my set yesterday. I'm not even disappointed about the difference as I expected I might be. Zero effect on game play. Minimal effect on aesthetics.
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Re: Pssst.... (Eager anticipation) When's it shipping?
« Reply #116 on: November 14, 2018, 07:40:09 pm »
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Anyone know when the Sumpfork site will be updated with Renaissance?
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